Here is the latest up-date on df85 df97; To date there have been 66 tested for DF85 (some are not in the R-M222 project, but tested through their parent project). 40 are negative 26 are positive df85+ percentage of 39.4% 18 different surnames of these 2 are McGee, 1 McKee; the rest are singletons (please view the R-M222 project pages as Linda has it sub-divided--thank you Linda) claimed ancestral origin: 1 Eng; 7 Ire; 11 Scot; 7 unknown 1 is confirmed df85+ df97- 13 df97+ 8 different surnames claimed ancestral origin: 4 Ire; 6 Scot; 3 unknown 50% of the df85+ pool are positive; 7 are the Ashley/Duncan/McC cluster; 3 are Doherty/Davitt cluster; 3 singletons: McNeely, Slavens, Harrison Pending tests: 7 for df85; 4 for df97 Those tested for df 85 including pending df97 inquiries are holding firm at the previous TMRCA estimate, and the df85+ modal remains 1 off of the M222 modal --top of the bell curve went down by 100 years with Davitts df97+ moving him into the df97+ group; however well within the margin of error (SD) of the previous estimate. As predicted the df97+ group TMRCA did indeed go up, and by a couple hundred years at the top of the bell curve with the new positives added. Assessment date: 3 Dec 2013 The Chromo 2 and BigY inquiries should add clarifications and further information. Please note Chromo2 testers: If any of you taking this test, not previously tested for df85 end up being S675+/S673 (df85+--Iain has it listed as S673; however Jim Wilson previously ID'd it as S675--and I believe the two are listed as equivalents) in your Chromo2 results, please plan to single SNP test for df97 because df97 by that or any other name is not tested for on Chromo2. Also, for list members who have tested positive for either df85 and/or df97, if you believe some of your matches in other surnames may also be positive based on your matches and/or viewed haplotypes, please contact them and see if they would be interested to test for at least df85 with a follow-up for df97 if they are positive. The waiting on Chromo2 and BigY results is going to be excruciating. None the less, I encourage any who have been on the testing fence to think about testing Chromo2 raw data. Susan Hedeen