No Morrises or Morrisseys. The closest I have to anything similar is a somewhat distant 2/25 match with a Morrison, who *might* be an O'Muirghesa. Apparently Morrison is an anglicization used in Sligo: http://books.google.com/books?id=fgMGAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=mac+giolla+riabhach&source=bl&ots=r6mqvEviP1&sig=bdegJdLc8iUFBFtsJ4DmbqGg2-Q&hl=en&sa=X&ei=346kUoGzFMfd2QXTi4DADQ&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Morissy&f=false (See footnote on pages 273-274.) O'Muirghesa is also listed as part of Clanna Temin with Mac Giolla Riabhaigh and Ó Donnchadha, but Temin was a great-grandson of Nath Í, High King of Ireland, which would place the split as early as the sixth century. Members of that family might just be too distantly related to show up, provided the genealogies are correct. On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 11:34 PM, tuulen <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Kyle, > > You have done considerable research and are now onto something. At the > mention of Sligo, could you be related to any of the O'Muirghesa (Morris > and Morrissey)? > > > On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Kyle DePew <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I've mostly been reading messages on this list and not contributing > > anything, but recently I've been attempting to place my own family by > > looking at my matches. My 4th great-grandfather was almost certainly an > > NPE whose father was named Gray. The progenitor of this Gray family, > John > > Gray (d. 1751, Augusta County, VA) is said to have come from Ireland, but > > there is no proof and there is no convincing evidence of where in Ireland > > he came from. I just wanted to get opinions from more knowledgeable > people > > on the list on whether or not I and some of my matches might comprise a > > cluster of Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe lines. > > > > I think it's possible that we descend from the Mac Giolla Riabhaigh > family > > seated at Criochan or Creaghaun (Carrowreagh?), Skreen Parish, County > > Sligo, according to Woulfe. Below is a list of those surnames in my 67- > > and 111-marker match lists that could correspond to Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe > > families and their genetic distances from me. I've added kit numbers > where > > I can find them in the R-M222 Project: > > > > 236891 Byrne: Ó Birn of north of Ballinrobe, Mayo? There is a family by > > this name in Dromard (parish bordering Skreen to the east). 9/111 > > > > Carnes: Mac Corraidhín of Skreen? MacFirbis says this is > > anglicized as Currin. There is a Carrane in Griffith's Valuation of > > Skreen, presumably of this family. 8/111 > > > > Coleman: Ó Colmáin of Grangemore, Templeboy (parish bordering > > Skreen to the west). 7/67 > > > > N32460 Coyne: Although the MDKA is from Athlone, could this be Ó Cuain of > > Doonycoy, Templeboy? The name is found in Skreen in Griffith's Valuation. > > Queen and Quinn also show up in my 111 marker matches. 9/111 > > > > Donoghue: Ó Donnchadha of Tireragh. Part of Clanna Temin > along > > with Mac Giolla Riabhaigh. 10/111 > > > > Dowdy: Ó Dubhda, rulers of Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe, seated in > > Easky (parish ~10 miles west of Skreen), Sligo. 7/67 > > > > 82938? Fannin: Ó Fionnán, chiefs of Coolcarney, Mayo? 5/67 > > > > Feeney: Ó Fianna of Finned, Easky. 5/67 > > > > Gilmore: Mac Giolla Mhir of Finnure, Skreen, Sligo. 10/111 > > > > Lindsay: Ó Loingsigh of Sligo. There is a Lindsay in > Griffith's > > Valuation of Easky. Sometimes anglicized as Lynch, which is also found in > > Skreen and Dromard. 6/67 > > > > Murphy: Ó Murchadha, formerly rulers of Skreen and Templeboy, > > Sligo. 7/111 > > > > Additional (non-Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe) surnames found in my match list and > > in Griffith's Valuation of Skreen Parish, Sligo: > > > > Hart 9/111 > > N106427 O'Donnell 10/111 > > > > Additional non-Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe surnames found in my match list and > in > > Griffith's Valuation of Dromard Parish, Sligo: > > > > 203361 Carroll 6/67 > > 193665 Daugherty 10/111 > > > > Carroll could be the local Ó Cearbhaill family of Caltry, Sligo. > > > > Of course I can't say for certain that these identifications are correct, > > but a Sligo origin for our Grays would seem to explain most of my closest > > matches. I won't presume to know why Hart, O'Donnell, Carroll and > > Daugherty/Doherty should be in my list. Maybe NPEs or Uí Fiachrach who > > joined other clans? Or just haplotype convergence? > > > > Kyle > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Kyle, My name is Morrison, and I am now enlisted on two family projects, the (Irish) Doherty project and the (Scottish) Morrison project. Honestly, I could belong to either group. By both genetical and historical reasons it appears that I am more closely related to the Doherty family, with my family having been of the Donegal O'Muirgheasain family. You have tested to 111 STR markers, good for you! But have you looked at any lower levels? For instance, have you looked at 25 or 37 markers, as a broad outlook at who your genetic relatives might be? We in this M222 game must often go on the hunt, using unique strategies. I am an amateur at this, but let me know if I could be of any help. Best, Doug On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Kyle DePew <[email protected]> wrote: > No Morrises or Morrisseys. The closest I have to anything similar is a > somewhat distant 2/25 match with a Morrison, who *might* be an > O'Muirghesa. Apparently Morrison is an anglicization used in Sligo: > > > http://books.google.com/books?id=fgMGAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=mac+giolla+riabhach&source=bl&ots=r6mqvEviP1&sig=bdegJdLc8iUFBFtsJ4DmbqGg2-Q&hl=en&sa=X&ei=346kUoGzFMfd2QXTi4DADQ&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Morissy&f=false > > (See footnote on pages 273-274.) > > O'Muirghesa is also listed as part of Clanna Temin with Mac Giolla > Riabhaigh and Ó Donnchadha, but Temin was a great-grandson of Nath Í, High > King of Ireland, which would place the split as early as the sixth > century. Members of that family might just be too distantly related to > show up, provided the genealogies are correct. > > > On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 11:34 PM, tuulen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Kyle, > > > > You have done considerable research and are now onto something. At the > > mention of Sligo, could you be related to any of the O'Muirghesa (Morris > > and Morrissey)? > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Kyle DePew <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I've mostly been reading messages on this list and not contributing > > > anything, but recently I've been attempting to place my own family by > > > looking at my matches. My 4th great-grandfather was almost certainly > an > > > NPE whose father was named Gray. The progenitor of this Gray family, > > John > > > Gray (d. 1751, Augusta County, VA) is said to have come from Ireland, > but > > > there is no proof and there is no convincing evidence of where in > Ireland > > > he came from. I just wanted to get opinions from more knowledgeable > > people > > > on the list on whether or not I and some of my matches might comprise a > > > cluster of Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe lines. > > > > > > I think it's possible that we descend from the Mac Giolla Riabhaigh > > family > > > seated at Criochan or Creaghaun (Carrowreagh?), Skreen Parish, County > > > Sligo, according to Woulfe. Below is a list of those surnames in my > 67- > > > and 111-marker match lists that could correspond to Uí Fiachrach > Muaidhe > > > families and their genetic distances from me. I've added kit numbers > > where > > > I can find them in the R-M222 Project: > > > > > > 236891 Byrne: Ó Birn of north of Ballinrobe, Mayo? There is a family > by > > > this name in Dromard (parish bordering Skreen to the east). 9/111 > > > > > > Carnes: Mac Corraidhín of Skreen? MacFirbis says this is > > > anglicized as Currin. There is a Carrane in Griffith's Valuation of > > > Skreen, presumably of this family. 8/111 > > > > > > Coleman: Ó Colmáin of Grangemore, Templeboy (parish > bordering > > > Skreen to the west). 7/67 > > > > > > N32460 Coyne: Although the MDKA is from Athlone, could this be Ó Cuain > of > > > Doonycoy, Templeboy? The name is found in Skreen in Griffith's > Valuation. > > > Queen and Quinn also show up in my 111 marker matches. 9/111 > > > > > > Donoghue: Ó Donnchadha of Tireragh. Part of Clanna Temin > > along > > > with Mac Giolla Riabhaigh. 10/111 > > > > > > Dowdy: Ó Dubhda, rulers of Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe, seated in > > > Easky (parish ~10 miles west of Skreen), Sligo. 7/67 > > > > > > 82938? Fannin: Ó Fionnán, chiefs of Coolcarney, Mayo? 5/67 > > > > > > Feeney: Ó Fianna of Finned, Easky. 5/67 > > > > > > Gilmore: Mac Giolla Mhir of Finnure, Skreen, Sligo. 10/111 > > > > > > Lindsay: Ó Loingsigh of Sligo. There is a Lindsay in > > Griffith's > > > Valuation of Easky. Sometimes anglicized as Lynch, which is also found > in > > > Skreen and Dromard. 6/67 > > > > > > Murphy: Ó Murchadha, formerly rulers of Skreen and > Templeboy, > > > Sligo. 7/111 > > > > > > Additional (non-Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe) surnames found in my match list > and > > > in Griffith's Valuation of Skreen Parish, Sligo: > > > > > > Hart 9/111 > > > N106427 O'Donnell 10/111 > > > > > > Additional non-Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe surnames found in my match list and > > in > > > Griffith's Valuation of Dromard Parish, Sligo: > > > > > > 203361 Carroll 6/67 > > > 193665 Daugherty 10/111 > > > > > > Carroll could be the local Ó Cearbhaill family of Caltry, Sligo. > > > > > > Of course I can't say for certain that these identifications are > correct, > > > but a Sligo origin for our Grays would seem to explain most of my > closest > > > matches. I won't presume to know why Hart, O'Donnell, Carroll and > > > Daugherty/Doherty should be in my list. Maybe NPEs or Uí Fiachrach who > > > joined other clans? Or just haplotype convergence? > > > > > > Kyle > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Doug, I'm an amateur too, so I'm always happy to hear what other people have to say. The names I've mentioned seem very prominent in the lower levels as well, though there are a lot of Dohertys and variants. I had been thinking that there was a link to them before, but if the Sligo link is right, it might just be because of proximity to Donegal. I'm also 7/111 from the M222 modal, so I might be getting a lot of results from haplotype convergence as well. That was the main reason for my focusing on my 67- and 111-marker matches. I'm still looking through things, but in other surname projects I've found a Feeney (Kit #216301) who tested at 5/37 away from me that matches three of my off-modals: YCAIIb=22, DYS456=16 and DYS576=20, and a Coleman from Sligo (Kit # 51172) that matches at YCAIIb=22 and DYS456=16. (His DYS576=19, halfway between the modal's 18 and my 20 value.) There are also a couple men in the Dowd project, like Kit #66037, that have YCAIIb=22 and DYS456=16. I would hope that this indicates not all of my Uí Fiachrach matches occur just because I'm close to the modal. I'd love to do some more SNP testing to help clarify things, but I really don't have enough money to spare at the moment, so I'll probably wait to see what happens after Big Y and Chromo2 results have been analyzed. Kyle On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 11:50 AM, tuulen <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Kyle, > > My name is Morrison, and I am now enlisted on two family projects, the > (Irish) Doherty project and the (Scottish) Morrison project. Honestly, I > could belong to either group. > > By both genetical and historical reasons it appears that I am more closely > related to the Doherty family, with my family having been of the Donegal > O'Muirgheasain family. > > You have tested to 111 STR markers, good for you! But have you looked at > any lower levels? For instance, have you looked at 25 or 37 markers, as a > broad outlook at who your genetic relatives might be? > > We in this M222 game must often go on the hunt, using unique strategies. > > I am an amateur at this, but let me know if I could be of any help. > > Best, > > Doug > > > > > On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Kyle DePew <[email protected]> wrote: > > > No Morrises or Morrisseys. The closest I have to anything similar is a > > somewhat distant 2/25 match with a Morrison, who *might* be an > > O'Muirghesa. Apparently Morrison is an anglicization used in Sligo: > > > > > > > http://books.google.com/books?id=fgMGAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=mac+giolla+riabhach&source=bl&ots=r6mqvEviP1&sig=bdegJdLc8iUFBFtsJ4DmbqGg2-Q&hl=en&sa=X&ei=346kUoGzFMfd2QXTi4DADQ&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Morissy&f=false > > > > (See footnote on pages 273-274.) > > > > O'Muirghesa is also listed as part of Clanna Temin with Mac Giolla > > Riabhaigh and Ó Donnchadha, but Temin was a great-grandson of Nath Í, > High > > King of Ireland, which would place the split as early as the sixth > > century. Members of that family might just be too distantly related to > > show up, provided the genealogies are correct. > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 11:34 PM, tuulen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Kyle, > > > > > > You have done considerable research and are now onto something. At the > > > mention of Sligo, could you be related to any of the O'Muirghesa > (Morris > > > and Morrissey)? > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Kyle DePew <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I've mostly been reading messages on this list and not contributing > > > > anything, but recently I've been attempting to place my own family by > > > > looking at my matches. My 4th great-grandfather was almost certainly > > an > > > > NPE whose father was named Gray. The progenitor of this Gray family, > > > John > > > > Gray (d. 1751, Augusta County, VA) is said to have come from Ireland, > > but > > > > there is no proof and there is no convincing evidence of where in > > Ireland > > > > he came from. I just wanted to get opinions from more knowledgeable > > > people > > > > on the list on whether or not I and some of my matches might > comprise a > > > > cluster of Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe lines. > > > > > > > > I think it's possible that we descend from the Mac Giolla Riabhaigh > > > family > > > > seated at Criochan or Creaghaun (Carrowreagh?), Skreen Parish, County > > > > Sligo, according to Woulfe. Below is a list of those surnames in my > > 67- > > > > and 111-marker match lists that could correspond to Uí Fiachrach > > Muaidhe > > > > families and their genetic distances from me. I've added kit numbers > > > where > > > > I can find them in the R-M222 Project: > > > > > > > > 236891 Byrne: Ó Birn of north of Ballinrobe, Mayo? There is a family > > by > > > > this name in Dromard (parish bordering Skreen to the east). 9/111 > > > > > > > > Carnes: Mac Corraidhín of Skreen? MacFirbis says this is > > > > anglicized as Currin. There is a Carrane in Griffith's Valuation of > > > > Skreen, presumably of this family. 8/111 > > > > > > > > Coleman: Ó Colmáin of Grangemore, Templeboy (parish > > bordering > > > > Skreen to the west). 7/67 > > > > > > > > N32460 Coyne: Although the MDKA is from Athlone, could this be Ó > Cuain > > of > > > > Doonycoy, Templeboy? The name is found in Skreen in Griffith's > > Valuation. > > > > Queen and Quinn also show up in my 111 marker matches. 9/111 > > > > > > > > Donoghue: Ó Donnchadha of Tireragh. Part of Clanna Temin > > > along > > > > with Mac Giolla Riabhaigh. 10/111 > > > > > > > > Dowdy: Ó Dubhda, rulers of Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe, seated > in > > > > Easky (parish ~10 miles west of Skreen), Sligo. 7/67 > > > > > > > > 82938? Fannin: Ó Fionnán, chiefs of Coolcarney, Mayo? 5/67 > > > > > > > > Feeney: Ó Fianna of Finned, Easky. 5/67 > > > > > > > > Gilmore: Mac Giolla Mhir of Finnure, Skreen, Sligo. > 10/111 > > > > > > > > Lindsay: Ó Loingsigh of Sligo. There is a Lindsay in > > > Griffith's > > > > Valuation of Easky. Sometimes anglicized as Lynch, which is also > found > > in > > > > Skreen and Dromard. 6/67 > > > > > > > > Murphy: Ó Murchadha, formerly rulers of Skreen and > > Templeboy, > > > > Sligo. 7/111 > > > > > > > > Additional (non-Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe) surnames found in my match list > > and > > > > in Griffith's Valuation of Skreen Parish, Sligo: > > > > > > > > Hart 9/111 > > > > N106427 O'Donnell 10/111 > > > > > > > > Additional non-Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe surnames found in my match list > and > > > in > > > > Griffith's Valuation of Dromard Parish, Sligo: > > > > > > > > 203361 Carroll 6/67 > > > > 193665 Daugherty 10/111 > > > > > > > > Carroll could be the local Ó Cearbhaill family of Caltry, Sligo. > > > > > > > > Of course I can't say for certain that these identifications are > > correct, > > > > but a Sligo origin for our Grays would seem to explain most of my > > closest > > > > matches. I won't presume to know why Hart, O'Donnell, Carroll and > > > > Daugherty/Doherty should be in my list. Maybe NPEs or Uí Fiachrach > who > > > > joined other clans? Or just haplotype convergence? > > > > > > > > Kyle > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >