Well in my view the Dunbars over there are post 1600 arrivals. Their big stronghold is in NE Scotland but there is also a smaller group in Ayrshire and it would be fascinating to link him up to one of those two, especially as it is becoming more obvious how far east M222 spreads. Logic would dictate that he came from Ayrshire. Iain > Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 19:59:02 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 further results > > Is Mr. Dunbar then a descendant of Scots Planters or part of the Native > Irish that remained? > > Fermanagh was a stronghold of the Maguire clan > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maguire_of_Fermanagh> and Donn Carrach > Maguire (died 1302) was the first of the chiefs of the Maguire dynasty. > However on the confiscation of lands relating to Hugh Maguire > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Maguire_%28Lord_of_Fermanagh%29>, > Fermanagh was divided in similar manner to the other five escheated > counties among Scottish and English undertakers and native Irish. > > On 12/7/2013 5:32 PM, Iain Kennedy wrote: > >> This morning I stumbled by chance on a reference to another M222 Chromo2 result that hadn't been brought to our attention. The surname is Dunbar and he is S7814+. I have updated the M222 tree diagram. > >> > >> Iain > >> > >> http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > >> > > Ian Dunbar has advised that his male line traces back to Enniskillen Co. Fermanagh. > > > > Iain > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I know that Irish original is the least favorable origin. However the Dunbar in question shares S7814+ with a Donnelly and McLaughlin. The pedigrees of Donnelly and McLaughlin are: McLaughlin- Lochlaind m. Muiredaich m. Domnaill m. Muirchertaich m. Néill Glúnduib m. Áeda Findléith m. Néill Caille m Áeda Oirdnide m. Néill Frossaich m. Fergaile m. Máele Dúin m. Máel Fithrich m. Áeda Uaridnaich m. Domnaill m. Muircherdaich m. Muiredaich m. Éogain m. Néill Noígiallaig or Lochlainn mac Maíl Sechnaíll m. Mael Runaidh m. Flainn m. Domnaill m. Áeda Findléith m. Néill Caille m Áeda Oirdnide m. Néill Frossaich m. Fergaile m. Máele Dúin m. Máel Fithrich m. Áeda Uaridnaich m. Domnaill m. Muircherdaich m. Muiredaich m. Éogain m. Néill Noígiallaig Donnelly- Donngaile m. Sechnassaich m. Cellaich m. Echdach m. Domnaill m. Áeda Findléith m. Néill Caille m Áeda Oirdnide m. Néill Frossaich m. Fergaile m. Máele Dúin m. Máel Fithrich m. Áeda Uaridnaich m. Domnaill m. Muircherdaich m. Muiredaich m. Éogain m. Néill Noígiallaig So the McLaughlin and Donnelly (assuming they are the ulster families) either split at Domnaill m.Áeda Findléith or Áeda Findléith m. Néill Caille. As Paul has mention there are two pedigrees for McLaughlin and most likely they are of Clann Domnaill (of Cenel maic Ercae) per the poems, i.e., they separate at Domnaill m.Áeda Findléith. Above S7814 is S588 where there is a non-Iain Kennedy, the Ulster pedigree is: Ceindeidig m. Buigell m. Diarmaid m. Concobur m.Fergaile m. Máele Dúin m. Máel Fithrich m. Áeda Uaridnaich m. Domnaill m. Muircherdaich m. Muiredaich m. Éogain m. Néill Noígiallaig This would suggest S7814 occurred after Áeda Oirdnide m. Néill Frossaich where the pedigrees of Donnelly and McLaughlin pedigrees separate from Kennedy. (Also under S588 is F3952 i.e. McBride from Louth and Mitchell) Under S588 is also S603 which includes the O'Kanes (also the Lamont and Paterson): Cathan m. Dungan m. Gruagan mac Conchobair m. Fergaile m. Máele Dúin m. Máel Fithrich m. Áeda Uaridnaich m. Domnaill m. Muircherdaich m. Muiredaich m. Éogain m. Néill Noígiallaig Noígiallaig This suggesting that S603 occurred after Conchobair m. Fergaile where the O'Kane line splits from the Kennedy pedigree. Above S588 is S660, additionally S673/DF85 (which contains families from Cenel Conaill) also splits off from S660. So under S588 we have families from Cenel Eoghain and under S673/DF85 are the families from Cenel Conaill. Now this S7814 Dunbar is under S588 Cenel Eoghain and S7814 which occurs after Fergaile m. Máele Dúin m. Máel Fithrich m. Áeda Uaridnaich m. Domnaill m. Muircherdaich m. Muiredaich m. Éogain m. Néill Noígiallaig. As O'Hart reported Dunbar is an Anglicization of a native Irish surname O'Duinnbharr. So this Dunbar is most likely a native O'Dunbar of Cenel maic Ercae a branch of Cenel EOghain and native to Ulster. > Well in my view the Dunbars over there are post 1600 arrivals. Their big stronghold is in NE Scotland but there is also a smaller group in Ayrshire and it would be fascinating to link him up to one of those two, especially as it is becoming more obvious how far east M222 spreads. Logic would dictate that he came from Ayrshire. > > Iain > > > > > >> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 19:59:02 -0500 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 further results >> >> Is Mr. Dunbar then a descendant of Scots Planters or part of the Native >> Irish that remained? >> >> Fermanagh was a stronghold of the Maguire clan >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maguire_of_Fermanagh> and Donn Carrach >> Maguire (died 1302) was the first of the chiefs of the Maguire dynasty. >> However on the confiscation of lands relating to Hugh Maguire >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Maguire_%28Lord_of_Fermanagh%29>, >> Fermanagh was divided in similar manner to the other five escheated >> counties among Scottish and English undertakers and native Irish. >> >> On 12/7/2013 5:32 PM, Iain Kennedy wrote: >>>> This morning I stumbled by chance on a reference to another M222 Chromo2 result that hadn't been brought to our attention. The surname is Dunbar and he is S7814+. I have updated the M222 tree diagram. >>>> >>>> Iain >>>> >>>> http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf >>>> >>> Ian Dunbar has advised that his male line traces back to Enniskillen Co. Fermanagh. >>> >>> Iain >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message