Linda, Thank you, I enjoyed reading your report, and I can only guess as to how much time and effort you have invested in getting that far with it, as I am now beginning to appreciate. I am a Morrison whose family traces back to the late 18th century in County Armagh, but until recently I had simply assumed that my family had originated somewhere in Scotland. After all, Morrison is a Scottish name, right? But no! My DNA evidence now clearly points to Ireland, and I have discovered an ancient Irish Morrison family, too, complete with many different name spellings, although I have not been able to find any connection between my name and the historical name. Too bad that names do not have DNA! Doug On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 7:19 AM, <lmerle@comcast.net> wrote: > Hi John, > > >Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:06:23 -0400 (EDT) > >From: Lochlan@aol.com > >Subject: [R-M222] Milligans, Johnsons, Jordans, McCamish > >'The Milligans, Johnsons, Jordans and McCamish have an interesting cluster > within M222. > > >_http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/yutility.html_ > (http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/yutility.html) > > >John > > The McCamish surname clusters in Derry and southern Tyrone. An early hit in > the early 1600 was in the Derry Liberties (Murtagh McC fined for not showing > up for jury duty). Many of the early spellings are so confusing that it is > impossible to tell if the name will someday become McCormick or McCarmach or > McCamish. In the late 1700s the surname emerges in the barony of Dungannon, > clustering (where we can tell) in townlands that were in the Archdiocese > estate. The church was not expected to rent only to British at the time of > Plantation (or any time)_. Hence the various churchland estates were home to > many, many Irish displaced by settlers from civil estates. Living on one > suggests immediately Irish origin to me -- and I've found this often to be > true. Some of these townlands were lent out on long leases to local noblemen > so it might not be obvious at first that they were churchlands . > > Other details also suggested they were Irish: ie no manic attachment to > Presbyterianism as part of an ethnic identity. The findable ones were of > various religious persuasions. Many converted to some form of Protestantism > BCR (Before Church Records). Not in Convert Rolls, etc (so 'common' or > unlanded Irish). In early 1800s evidence that even some of the Protestants > spoke Irish (stories of Irish speaking saving them in Belfast riots). > > When they moved to Belfast, became confused with the McComish clan from > County Down, also M222, but not related. By the late 1700s they were small > tradesmen, often carpenters. > > Some moved to the new world by 1751 (Pennsylvania) -- confirmed related via > DNA. This particular man's ancestor was one of three brothers who migrated > about 1770 to Virginia, then Tennessee. Several men descended from these > fellas have tested (so we got the right DNA sig). Matches an Australian with > a clear paper trail back to an emigrant from a Tyrone village. > > The family has tended to believe they were settlers, descendants of Clann > Gunn, in NE Scotland. But very very little M222 'up there', for starters. > Some McGregors and Stuarts used "McCamish" in Scotland in the 1600s and > 1700s, though by the time that we have Scottish censuses, all McCamishes in > these censuses are tracable to Ireland and the Tyrone McCamish, so I don't > think it 'took' as a surname in Scotland. > > However both McCamish and McComish were used in early Mann. I've not DNA > tested any of the Manx -- largely because I haven't found any alive! However > it has seemed to me, though I'm not an expert, that the Tyrone McCamish are > probably local boys and not Manx transplants because their DNA is similar to > the DNA of the central Ulster Irish. > > Maybe some of this info will shed light on the Milligans, etc. > > Linda Merle > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >