In a message dated 8/13/2011 9:40:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, stevelominac@hotmail.com writes: My apologies. I thought I had fixed that Lominac-Lauterecken item. That Lominac/Laminack group from Lauterecken is J2b. My branch is an NPE from that group. After a recent match at 23 and me via a maternal line, it appears I have triangulated with an Irish Freeman line that is goes back some 4-5 centuries to England but not quite ready to publish that without more confirmation with the Freeman project folks. As of now, I'm simply Lominac/M222/South Carolina. Steve, I pulled that off a very old spreadsheet so it's no fault of yours. John