In a message dated 8/18/2011 8:35:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time, donmilligan@comcast.net writes: A FEW YEARS AGO, I EXCHANGED SOME EMAILS WITH ALAN, SUPPORTING THE IDEA THAT IT LOOKED LIKE THE "VENICONES" OF BOTH IRELAND AND SCOTLAND WERE SOMEHOW CONNECTED. I RECALL ALAN AND I DISCUSSED IT, AND LIKELY SHARED COPIES OF SOME OF OUR EMAILS WITH YOU. Don, I remember Alan and yourself discussing the Venicones and Venicniis. In fact you are the ones who brought it to my attention in the first place. I think I didn't back it wholeheartedly at the time because it didn't fit with the Irish history I knew of the sons of Niall. But now that I think about it more I'm not sure. Maybe the sons of Niall had no need to move northwest into Donegal because they were already there. John