Jerry, Of course I have a vested interest in understanding Cenel Maine, however I hadn't taken the step to investigate the claim against Cenel Maine. Brynes’s argument - that Cenel Maine has conflicting pedigree and that closeness to Ui Maine means that they are Ui Maine Fails. For Dobbs shows that "Cenel Maine" originates in a seperate location distant from Ui Maine. There are two problems with quoting MacFirbis, the Ua Dalaigh of Corca Adaim doesn't have a pedigree and as O'Donovan points out their appearance in the 14th century topographical poem never says that they are Cenel Maine (nor do there entries in the annals). http://books.google.com/books?id=Vr0_AAAAcAAJ&pg=PA66&lpg=PA66&dq=%22Corca+Adaim%22&source=bl&ots=8xEfwT7QHf&sig=oAL3mcE7we6IgsZIY7weXGEq5yE&hl=en#v=onepage&q=%22Corca%20Adaim%22&f=false Second, the Ua Dalaigh of Fir Cell are not the same as Ua Dalaigh of Corca Adaim, for according to the Book of Ballymote they where members of Sil Conaing of Cenel Conail mac Fergusa of Ui Fiachach (i.e. Cenel Fiachach) and nothing to do with Cenel Maine. "Clann Cathbadh .i. .H. Brosnachan mc. Tnuthgaili mc. Duibdathuath mc. Comarcaidh mc. Condmaidh & .H. Dalaich m. Tnuthgaili & .H. Uighrechain & Mc. Eolbraind mc. Duibdatuath & .H. Ninneachan mc. Fianamail mc. Cellaig m. Dungaili." from the Book of Ballymote. Here is a quick survey of the major surnames of ui néill in deiscirt: O Coindelbain of Ui Laegairi, we have M222+ results with this surname O Molloy of Fir Cell, we have M222+ results with this surname Mageoghan of Cenél Fiachach, we have M222+ results with this surname Fox of Muinter Tadgáin, we have M222+ results with this surname Magawly of Calrige, we have M222+ results with this surname O Braoin of Bregmaine, we have M222+ results with this surname MagCargamni of Cuircne, we have M222+ results with this surname O Daly of Corca Duin, we have M222+ results with this surname O Quin of Munter Gilgain, we have M222+ results with this surname I wonder do any of these M222+ individuals will proved the existance of Southern Ui Neill M222+ families? Bernard.