Is there any belief that M-222 may have come to Ireland with the Laigin? Early Irish historical traditions credited the founding of the Laigin to the legendary High King Labraid Loingsech . His grandfather, Lóegaire Lorc , had been overthrown by his own brother, Cobthach Cóel Breg , and Labraid forced into exile. After a period of military service on the continent, Labraid returned to Ireland at the head of an army, known as Laigin after the broad blue-grey iron spearheads ( láigne ) they carried. The Lebor Gabála Érenn dates Labraid's accession to 300 BC. [ 3 ] [ 4 ] [ 5 ] Modern historians suggest, on the basis of these traditions and related placenames, that the Laigin were a group of invaders from Gaul or Britain, who arrived no later than the 6th century BC, and were later incorporated into the medieval genealogical scheme which made all the ruling groups of early Ireland descend from Míl Espáine . Placenames also suggest they once had a presence in north Munster and in Connacht. [ 6 ] See O'Rahilly's historical model for a summary of the Laigin at the height of their power in Ireland. They may have conquered approximately half the island. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernard Morgan" <bernardmorgan@hotmail.com> To: chantillycarpets@earthlink.net, pconroy63@gmail.com Cc: "dna-r1b1c7" <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 4:51:55 PM Subject: Re: [R-M222] just to throw in another legend > > I believe in the entire Nial saga ignored migrations aspect completely. > Someone had an emotional need to link the heroes, lore and legend. That > is my personal opinion, and I'll admit that I am no geneticist, either; > so that remark simply is an opinion, I will acquiesce to being ill > informed if anyone can conclusively prove me wrong. > Surely migration is an aspect, however I think reference to the Nial Saga (name of an actual Norse saga) ignores the written tradition of Ireland that began in the 5th century. In Ireland we are dealing with the third oldest written history in Europe. Hence the movement of the people of claim descent from Neill is well document and publish in numerous academic works, such as Prof. Brynes "Irish Kings and High kings". Writers like Beresford point out the vast majority of Irish manuscripts remain un-translated and it seem un-transcribed.                                                     R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message