Well said Susan. -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Hedeen Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 2:47 PM To: Bernard Morgan Cc: dna-r1b1c7 Subject: Re: [R-M222] j All you say is true, but, does any it have anything to do with the origins of M222. What we do or do not know regarding Ireland and the Irish of many cultures before there were nations all previous to the 5th century really has nothing to do with the origin of M222 except in answering an emotional question -- which is why is it so important for it to have developed in Ireland? Personally, I don't care where it formed up. If indeed it is Ireland, wonderful since that has been declared my genetic Celtic make up -- at least at the moment since M222 is presently defined there and my immigrant ancestors lived and farmed there previous to hopping the pond. Am I going to be upset if it formed up in Scotland, Brittany, near the Alps, in Iberia, Turkey, or Cashel, or any of the other places where Celtic society migrated in and out of? Absolutely not. The current popular theory seems to be short, yet is highly popular and considered as fact when indeed it is yet simply a theory based on statistical data which was quantified too soon in the game. I think that is all John and Bill and several others are saying, and I personally thought that previous to joining this group, and I will continue to believe it until the theory is really tested right along with others with a larger and more diverse testing pool. Susan On 8/19/2011 4:51 PM, Bernard Morgan wrote: > > > > I believe in the entire Nial saga ignored migrations aspect completely. > > Someone had an emotional need to link the heroes, lore and legend. That > > is my personal opinion, and I'll admit that I am no geneticist, either; > > so that remark simply is an opinion, I will acquiesce to being ill > > informed if anyone can conclusively prove me wrong. > > > > Surely migration is an aspect, however I think reference to the Nial > Saga (name of an actual Norse saga) ignores the written tradition of > Ireland that began in the 5th century. In Ireland we are dealing with > the third oldest written history in Europe. Hence the movement of the > people of claim descent from Neill is well document and publish in > numerous academic works, such as Prof. Brynes "Irish Kings and High > kings". Writers like Beresford point out the vast majority of Irish > manuscripts remain un-translated and it seem un-transcribed. > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message