Arlis your Greek Proverb was great to hear again: "A society grows strong when old men plant trees whose shade they know they will never enjoy." - Greek Proverb My mama was not much Greek, more Italian per mtDNA results as explained by Ian Logan; but, she always said "The Lord Helps Them As Helps Themselves", note the old southerner slang of the poor people who planted trees they knew they would never live to reap the benefits thereof. This forum or group or board is taken care of by volunteers. I note several recent posts lately by searchers who seem to feel left out. Well, as a lurker myself who seldom posts and usually finds myself in error when I do, the old adage of you get out of something what you put in might also apply. Every person that I have seen respectfully ask for help on this forum has been given responses by several people most of the time. Many of these volunteers go far and above the "call of, shall we say, duty". Many take a lot of time to look up responses to people asking for help. It is beyond me how anyone could say they have never learned anything from these posts. Geez..................... Just my opinion. Linda McKee