The article isn't online and is copyright. The reference is 'The formation of Gaelic surnames in Ireland: choosing the eponyms', D. Ó Murchadha, in Nomina 22 (1999). Nomina is the journal of the Society for Name Studies in Britain and Ireland. The journal is very good and has had contributions from scholars like Brian O Cuiv, Peter McClure, Richard Coates, WFH Nicolaisen etc. http://www.snsbi.org.uk/index1.html cheers Iain > From: johnca@quickclic.net > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:45:06 -0400 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] 111-Marker results > > Iain > > I think a number of us would be interested in the article that you > mentioned. Can you direct us to it? Thanks. > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Iain Kennedy > Sent: August-02-11 5:59 AM > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] 111-Marker results > > > Sandy, even earlier than that. Irish patronymics appear on Ogam stones in > the 5th and 6th centuries. There are some sample inscriptions at > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogham_inscriptions. But true surnames were > several centuries later. I've read an article that tabulates all the surname > eponyms and they date from 858 to 1089, with the actual derived surname > usually a few generations later. > Iain > > > > > > From: alexanderpatterson@btinternet.com > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:16:20 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] 111-Marker results > > > > Hi Charles > > > > > > You touched on the fact that we M222's seem to be only distantly > > related to other M222 surnames. I don't think there's a magic number > > that we can usefully think of as the number of generations back by > > which time our families all had surnames. I have the impression that > > prominent Irish have been using patronyms since perhaps 800AD. In > > terms of Scotland, I know that the first Chief of Lamont, who lived > > around 1235-1295AD had a surname. The same family had previously used > > the surname Erachar, although it's not clear how far back that surname > went. > > > > > > Sandy > > > > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
A very interesting site. Thanks. John -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Iain Kennedy Sent: August-02-11 9:05 AM To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] 111-Marker results The article isn't online and is copyright. The reference is 'The formation of Gaelic surnames in Ireland: choosing the eponyms', D. Ó Murchadha, in Nomina 22 (1999). Nomina is the journal of the Society for Name Studies in Britain and Ireland. The journal is very good and has had contributions from scholars like Brian O Cuiv, Peter McClure, Richard Coates, WFH Nicolaisen etc. http://www.snsbi.org.uk/index1.html cheers Iain > From: johnca@quickclic.net > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:45:06 -0400 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] 111-Marker results > > Iain > > I think a number of us would be interested in the article that you > mentioned. Can you direct us to it? Thanks. > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Iain Kennedy > Sent: August-02-11 5:59 AM > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] 111-Marker results > > > Sandy, even earlier than that. Irish patronymics appear on Ogam stones > in the 5th and 6th centuries. There are some sample inscriptions at > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogham_inscriptions. But true surnames > were several centuries later. I've read an article that tabulates all > the surname eponyms and they date from 858 to 1089, with the actual > derived surname usually a few generations later. > Iain > > > > > > From: alexanderpatterson@btinternet.com > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:16:20 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] 111-Marker results > > > > Hi Charles > > > > > > You touched on the fact that we M222's seem to be only distantly > > related to other M222 surnames. I don't think there's a magic number > > that we can usefully think of as the number of generations back by > > which time our families all had surnames. I have the impression that > > prominent Irish have been using patronyms since perhaps 800AD. In > > terms of Scotland, I know that the first Chief of Lamont, who lived > > around 1235-1295AD had a surname. The same family had previously > > used the surname Erachar, although it's not clear how far back that > > surname > went. > > > > > > Sandy > > > > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message