I just uploaded them so they should be there. On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 5:06 PM, <pabloburns@comcast.net> wrote: > Iain, > Are you aware of Byrne 236891 whose results came in the other day? I > had them sent to Mike in the expectation that they would be uploaded to the > L21 forum where they would become available to all researchers, but I don't > know if that has occurred yet. BritainsDNA says his terminal SNP is S660. > He fits the 25-10-145 pattern that about ten of my Byrne M222s have. > I can have his .txt file sent directly to you if you prefer. > Paul > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have updated the tree at last, there have been a number of interesting things to catch up on as the dust settles a bit. Firstly we have a possible new branch in Gillespie 94854 who based on his Bigy report appears negative for all known branches under S7073. I am hopeful I will get the chance to see the raw BAM file to get a final confirmation of this important result. His line is from Shroove on Inishowen. Hamilton 98188 from BigY appears to be S7814 although the call for that SNP is poor quality, definitely S588. Again I am awaiting the BAM file for this one. Coyne 333192 has tested FGC4078+. His STRs aren't visible yet but he is the son of N32460. Porter-MacDaibhéid 167335 is S660 from BigY. He has 10 novel SNPs and no overlap with any of the other S660 people. I have moved PF1169 again based on the information from the Byrne test and JFW. There were a number of mop up tests in the FGC4077/7/4087 branch, and more people have moved down under FGC4087. I think that's it. Iain http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf

S568 is the branch marker and S566 is now directly underneath it split from Howard Lamont's other SNPs in the S555-s567 range. Iain > From: david.maclennan@utoronto.ca > To: ChantillyCarpets@earthlink.net; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 14:39:04 +0000 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] placement of PF1169 > > Thanks Susan! > Jim Wilson has not said what SNP is immediately upstream of S566. > Presumably, it is shown in the tree that he mentions is attached. Can you > please forward me a copy of the tree and/or indicate the upstream SNP. > Thanks again, > David > > On 2014-05-02, 8:47 AM, "Susan Hedeen" <chantillycarpets@earthlink.net> > wrote: > > >I heard from Dr. Wilson of BISDNA. See below c/p of his text. > >I have forward Iain the new tree. PF1169 is placed under S566. Susan > > > >"Hi Susan > >Thanks for your messages I have now looked into this. PF1169 is > >underneath S568. Indeed it is under a new branch defined by S566. Please > >see attached tree. If you have further updates to this tree do let me > >know (not private SNPs from sequence but actual groups of some > >significance). > >Thanks PF1169 person for test. > >Please share with other interested M222 researchers. > >Best wishes > >Jim" > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found the O'Hara of Sligo pedigree on Wikipedia (note: some of the Sligo O'Hara are M222+): Dubhaltach Mac Fhirbhisigh (665.5., pp. 654–665) gives his pedigree as: Eaghra Paiprigh, from whom are Ui Eaghra, s. Saorghus s. Béac s. Flaithgheas, from whom are Clann Flaithgheasa, s. Taichleach (aforementioned) s. Ceann Faoladh s. Diarmuid s. Fionnbharr s. Bréanainn s. Nad Fraoich s. Fidhsheang (or Finnéan, or Idhéan, or Fidhean, or Iodhan) s. Fiodhchuire, from whom are Ui Fhiodhchuire, s. Airtchearb s. Nia Corb s. Loí, from whom are Luighne, s. Cormac Gaileang s. Tadhg. This presents pedigree copied by MacFirbis has the Luighne are a sub-set of Gaileang. The O'Gara (also m222+) also claim descent from Saorghus s. Béac. (Other pedigrees have the O'Hara descending from a younger brother of Saorghus s. Béac.) It would be interesting to see where the SNPs of the O'Hara or O'Gara stand. > > > I note Fr Walsh pointed out an association between the people of Gaileoin and Luighne in Meath and Connacht. I wonder if there is a relationship between Luighne and Laigin. (Note the mythical Luighne had a brother called Laighne.) > >> >> The Gaileoin/Laigin were also known as Dumnonii... >> On May 1, 2014 4:24 PM, "Bernard Morgan" <bernardmorgan@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> So we are back to " ... the three principal peoples in Ireland, namely >>> Feni, Ulaid, and Gaileoin or Laigin" >>> >>> Feni are the Dal Cuinn for which Connacht is named >>> Ulaid are the Dal Fiatach move north into East Ulster >>> Gaileoin are principally of Meath, now North Leinster (from Laigin). >>> >>> What remains a question is who is the one S7073 negative? >>> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Iain, My bad McHale got a DF104- result today. I had mentioned testing with yseq before but he had gone with cheaper option. If McHale is indeed a Uí Fhiachrach surname then I'd probably wait on suggesting any further SNP's until O'Shaughnessy's (Uí Fhiachrach Aidhne) "Big Y" result comes in. -Paul (DF41+) On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > What about McHale? > > Iain > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 14:14:09 +0100 > > From: pduffy81@gmail.com > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] McHale -- DF105- > > > > O'Donnell has placed an order for DF97. I noticed that both S673 and S668 > > are available via FTDNA now (hadn't noticed this before). > > > > -Paul > > (DF41+) > > > > > > On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Paul Ó Duḃṫaiġ <pduffy81@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > McHale is confirmed as DF104- > > > > > > In other news (*329279*) O'Donnell (37STR's) is confirmed as DF85+ > > > > > > -Paul > > > (DF41+) > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Paul Ó Duḃṫaiġ <pduffy81@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > > > >> I've sent an email to McHale suggesting he either test with yseq (M222 > > >> bundle) or if that isn't an option at least test for DF104 which is > > >> available form FTDNA. We'll see if he replies to my email. > > >> > > >> Regarding the SNP's has anyone submitted them to FTDNA for inclusion, > > >> given that we know their positions etc once ScotlandsDNA released the > data? > > >> > > >> -Paul > > >> (DF41+) > > >> > > >> > > >> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Bernard Morgan < > > >> bernardmorgan@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >>> > Only one M222+ person has been publicly documented who is negative > for > > >>> that SNP out of several hundred tested. There may be other tested > > >>> individuals who are S7073- but whose results are out of sight. > > >>> > > >>> Do we know where the S7073- testee was from? > > >>> > > >>> ------------------------------- > > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >>> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Susan! Jim Wilson has not said what SNP is immediately upstream of S566. Presumably, it is shown in the tree that he mentions is attached. Can you please forward me a copy of the tree and/or indicate the upstream SNP. Thanks again, David On 2014-05-02, 8:47 AM, "Susan Hedeen" <chantillycarpets@earthlink.net> wrote: >I heard from Dr. Wilson of BISDNA. See below c/p of his text. >I have forward Iain the new tree. PF1169 is placed under S566. Susan > >"Hi Susan >Thanks for your messages I have now looked into this. PF1169 is >underneath S568. Indeed it is under a new branch defined by S566. Please >see attached tree. If you have further updates to this tree do let me >know (not private SNPs from sequence but actual groups of some >significance). >Thanks PF1169 person for test. >Please share with other interested M222 researchers. >Best wishes >Jim" > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I note Fr Walsh pointed out an association between the people of Gaileoin and Luighne in Meath and Connacht. I wonder if there is a relationship between Luighne and Laigin. (Note the mythical Luighne had a brother called Laighne.) > > The Gaileoin/Laigin were also known as Dumnonii... > On May 1, 2014 4:24 PM, "Bernard Morgan" <bernardmorgan@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> So we are back to " ... the three principal peoples in Ireland, namely >> Feni, Ulaid, and Gaileoin or Laigin" >> >> Feni are the Dal Cuinn for which Connacht is named >> Ulaid are the Dal Fiatach move north into East Ulster >> Gaileoin are principally of Meath, now North Leinster (from Laigin). >> >> What remains a question is who is the one S7073 negative? >>

O'Donnell has placed an order for DF97. I noticed that both S673 and S668 are available via FTDNA now (hadn't noticed this before). -Paul (DF41+) On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Paul Ó Duḃṫaiġ <pduffy81@gmail.com> wrote: > McHale is confirmed as DF104- > > In other news (*329279*) O'Donnell (37STR's) is confirmed as DF85+ > > -Paul > (DF41+) > > > On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Paul Ó Duḃṫaiġ <pduffy81@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I've sent an email to McHale suggesting he either test with yseq (M222 >> bundle) or if that isn't an option at least test for DF104 which is >> available form FTDNA. We'll see if he replies to my email. >> >> Regarding the SNP's has anyone submitted them to FTDNA for inclusion, >> given that we know their positions etc once ScotlandsDNA released the data? >> >> -Paul >> (DF41+) >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Bernard Morgan < >> bernardmorgan@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> > Only one M222+ person has been publicly documented who is negative for >>> that SNP out of several hundred tested. There may be other tested >>> individuals who are S7073- but whose results are out of sight. >>> >>> Do we know where the S7073- testee was from? >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >

Is it possible to construct his STR values from the public data? I don't see any other Flatleys in the project. I am still looking forward to the discovery of the SNP for the 25/10/14 (DYS 390/391/392) Breifne-centric grouping under M222. Some of the Byrnes project members have this pattern, but it is unclear whether there have been any SNP results from any of them. Thanks On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > I apologise, I misread Greg's email. Flatley is > S660/DF109+S659/DF105+ > > Iain > > > > > > > From: dcw1000@live.com > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 11:39:25 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Flatley/Uí Fiachrach > > > > Good to know. Was it (or can it be) determined that Flatley is also > > DF109/S660+? It's a long shot, but I was wondering if he would split the > > S659/S660 equivalence. > > > > David W. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Iain Kennedy > > Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 11:19 AM > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [R-M222] Flatley/Uí Fiachrach > > > > As some of you may know, one of the first human genomes to be sequenced > was > > Jay Flatley who is CEO of Illumina, and his data is in the public > domain. I > > just checked with Greg Magoon and Andy Grierson who I believe used this > data > > in one of their papers and they have confirmed that Flatley is > S661/DF104+, > > S659/DF105+ and negative for all downstream branches. He will appear on > the > > next upload of the tree. > > > > Flatley is supposed to be Uí Fiachrach but then again so is Coyne who is > > FGC4078+, S659/DF105-... > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~davesherry/sherrys.html

What about McHale? Iain > Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 14:14:09 +0100 > From: pduffy81@gmail.com > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] McHale -- DF105- > > O'Donnell has placed an order for DF97. I noticed that both S673 and S668 > are available via FTDNA now (hadn't noticed this before). > > -Paul > (DF41+) > > > On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Paul Ó Duḃṫaiġ <pduffy81@gmail.com> wrote: > > > McHale is confirmed as DF104- > > > > In other news (*329279*) O'Donnell (37STR's) is confirmed as DF85+ > > > > -Paul > > (DF41+) > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Paul Ó Duḃṫaiġ <pduffy81@gmail.com>wrote: > > > >> I've sent an email to McHale suggesting he either test with yseq (M222 > >> bundle) or if that isn't an option at least test for DF104 which is > >> available form FTDNA. We'll see if he replies to my email. > >> > >> Regarding the SNP's has anyone submitted them to FTDNA for inclusion, > >> given that we know their positions etc once ScotlandsDNA released the data? > >> > >> -Paul > >> (DF41+) > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Bernard Morgan < > >> bernardmorgan@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> > Only one M222+ person has been publicly documented who is negative for > >>> that SNP out of several hundred tested. There may be other tested > >>> individuals who are S7073- but whose results are out of sight. > >>> > >>> Do we know where the S7073- testee was from? > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Interesting. Hopefully once my Chromo2 results come in, we get more info as I should be Ui Fiachrach [Lachna being brother to the Mac Firbisigh in the 11th century. John On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > As some of you may know, one of the first human genomes to be sequenced > was Jay Flatley who is CEO of Illumina, and his data is in the public > domain. I just checked with Greg Magoon and Andy Grierson who I believe > used this data in one of their papers and they have confirmed that Flatley > is S661/DF104+, S659/DF105+ and negative for all downstream branches. He > will appear on the next upload of the tree. > > Flatley is supposed to be Uí Fiachrach but then again so is Coyne who is > FGC4078+, S659/DF105-... > > Iain > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Good to know. Was it (or can it be) determined that Flatley is also DF109/S660+? It's a long shot, but I was wondering if he would split the S659/S660 equivalence. David W. -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Iain Kennedy Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 11:19 AM To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: [R-M222] Flatley/Uí Fiachrach As some of you may know, one of the first human genomes to be sequenced was Jay Flatley who is CEO of Illumina, and his data is in the public domain. I just checked with Greg Magoon and Andy Grierson who I believe used this data in one of their papers and they have confirmed that Flatley is S661/DF104+, S659/DF105+ and negative for all downstream branches. He will appear on the next upload of the tree. Flatley is supposed to be Uí Fiachrach but then again so is Coyne who is FGC4078+, S659/DF105-... Iain ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Iain. This is very important work unveiling the true nature of M222. On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > I have updated the tree at last, there have been a number of interesting > things to catch up on as the dust settles a bit. > > Firstly we have a possible new branch in Gillespie 94854 who based on his > Bigy report appears negative for all known branches under S7073. I am > hopeful I will get the chance to see the raw BAM file to get a final > confirmation of this important result. His line is from Shroove on > Inishowen. > > Hamilton 98188 from BigY appears to be S7814 although the call for that > SNP is poor quality, definitely S588. Again I am awaiting the BAM file for > this one. > > Coyne 333192 has tested FGC4078+. His STRs aren't visible yet but he is > the son of N32460. > > Porter-MacDaibhéid 167335 is S660 from BigY. He has 10 novel SNPs and no > overlap with any of the other S660 people. > > I have moved PF1169 again based on the information from the Byrne test and > JFW. > > There were a number of mop up tests in the FGC4077/7/4087 branch, and more > people have moved down under FGC4087. > > I think that's it. > > Iain > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I heard from Dr. Wilson of BISDNA. See below c/p of his text. I have forward Iain the new tree. PF1169 is placed under S566. Susan "Hi Susan Thanks for your messages I have now looked into this. PF1169 is underneath S568. Indeed it is under a new branch defined by S566. Please see attached tree. If you have further updates to this tree do let me know (not private SNPs from sequence but actual groups of some significance). Thanks PF1169 person for test. Please share with other interested M222 researchers. Best wishes Jim"

McHale is confirmed as DF104- In other news (*329279*) O'Donnell (37STR's) is confirmed as DF85+ -Paul (DF41+) On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Paul Ó Duḃṫaiġ <pduffy81@gmail.com> wrote: > I've sent an email to McHale suggesting he either test with yseq (M222 > bundle) or if that isn't an option at least test for DF104 which is > available form FTDNA. We'll see if he replies to my email. > > Regarding the SNP's has anyone submitted them to FTDNA for inclusion, > given that we know their positions etc once ScotlandsDNA released the data? > > -Paul > (DF41+) > > > On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Bernard Morgan <bernardmorgan@hotmail.com > > wrote: > >> > Only one M222+ person has been publicly documented who is negative for >> that SNP out of several hundred tested. There may be other tested >> individuals who are S7073- but whose results are out of sight. >> >> Do we know where the S7073- testee was from? >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

We already know that as per the post from Sandy I reposted yesterday which listed all the SNPs found in himself and Howard and the original M222 tree diagram Jim Wilson gave out which gives S568 as a branch marker with S555-S567 (NB not 'S555/S567') the range of SNPs underneath. http://www.kennedydna.com/M222_2013Dec16.jpg Iain > From: david.maclennan@utoronto.ca > To: ChantillyCarpets@earthlink.net; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 23:03:12 +0000 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] PF1169 news > > It seems that we need to know where S566 fits into the tree in order to > understand where PF1169 lies. Can someone in the know please comment now > on where S566 is thought to be located relative to S568 and S555/567? > Bernard is pointing out that S566 is probably under S568 and above PF1169. > Is this the case? > David > > > On 2014-05-01, 4:09 PM, "Susan Hedeen" <chantillycarpets@earthlink.net> > wrote: > > >Yes, Byrne is S566+ > > > >On 5/1/2014 4:02 PM, Bernard Morgan wrote: > >> I am a little lost: > >> > >> > >> Lamont, Bremmer, Byrne, Conroy are all S568/DF106+ > >> Lamont, Conroy only are S566+ > >> Lamont, is also S555-S567 postive, not Conroy > >> > >> Byrne, Conroy are also PF1169+ > >> > >> So Byrne must also be S566+ or Lamont is PF1169+? > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------- > >> > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It seems that we need to know where S566 fits into the tree in order to understand where PF1169 lies. Can someone in the know please comment now on where S566 is thought to be located relative to S568 and S555/567? Bernard is pointing out that S566 is probably under S568 and above PF1169. Is this the case? David On 2014-05-01, 4:09 PM, "Susan Hedeen" <chantillycarpets@earthlink.net> wrote: >Yes, Byrne is S566+ > >On 5/1/2014 4:02 PM, Bernard Morgan wrote: >> I am a little lost: >> >> >> Lamont, Bremmer, Byrne, Conroy are all S568/DF106+ >> Lamont, Conroy only are S566+ >> Lamont, is also S555-S567 postive, not Conroy >> >> Byrne, Conroy are also PF1169+ >> >> So Byrne must also be S566+ or Lamont is PF1169+? >> >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Both Byrne and Conroy are S566+ From Paul's FGC file: + 15719082 G A where G is Ancestral and A is derived. 15719082 is S566 according to the BISDNA submitted positions for Chromo2. Susan Lamont, Bremmer, Byrne, Conroy are all S568+ Lamont, Conroy only are S566+ Lamont, is also S555-S567 postive, not Conroy Byrne, Conroy are also PF1169+ So Byrne must also be S566+ or Lamont is PF1169+? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In addition to the Byrnes 227877 that Susan is describing, we had another Byrne Project Chromo2 test returned today. Byrne 236891 is S660. That makes four separate branches below M222 for the four so far tested (S7814, S603, S660, and S658/PF1160). I can hardly wait for the remaining three. The person who handles 236891's account has sent his raw data to Mike. Paul

So we are back to " ... the three principal peoples in Ireland, namely Feni, Ulaid, and Gaileoin or Laigin" Feni are the Dal Cuinn for which Connacht is named Ulaid are the Dal Fiatach move north into East Ulster Gaileoin are principally of Meath, now North Leinster (from Laigin). What remains a question is who is the one S7073 negative? ---------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 16:09:53 -0400 > From: chantillycarpets@earthlink.net > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] PF1169 news > > Yes, Byrne is S566+ > > On 5/1/2014 4:02 PM, Bernard Morgan wrote: >> I am a little lost: >> >> >> Lamont, Bremmer, Byrne, Conroy are all S568/DF106+ >> Lamont, Conroy only are S566+ >> Lamont, is also S555-S567 postive, not Conroy >> >> Byrne, Conroy are also PF1169+ >> >> So Byrne must also be S566+ or Lamont is PF1169+? >> >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message