That could be, and further more: Ó HAOLÁIN >From Irish Names and Surnames 1923 Ó hAOLÁIN—I—O Healane, O Heyllane, O Helane, O Hilane, O Hillane, O Hylane, O Heolane, O Hoolane, O Holane, O Hollan, O Holland, Heelan, Helen, Hillane, Hillan, Holian, Heyland, Hiland, Hylan, Hyland, Holland, (Whelan), &c.; 'descendant of Faolán' (diminutive of faol, a wolf); a variant of Ó Faoláin (which see) through the aspiration of the initial f; a common surname, in the 16th century, in Offaly and Leix, whence it spread into other parts of Ireland. Owing to the different dialectical pronunciations of 'ao,' it is variously anglicised in the different provinces. In Munster, it is generally anglicised Heelan; Hyland is the usual form in Leinster; Holland in Ulster. In Connacht, it is sometimes corrupted to Ó hIoláin, Ó hOláin, Ó hOileáin, and Ó hÓileáin, anglicised Hillane, Hyland, Holland, &c, but the origin is clearly shown by the fact that these forms are nearly always also anglicised Whelan. Compare with Ó hAodhagáin. http://www.libraryireland.com/names/oh/o-haolain.php On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Paul Conroy <pconroy63@gmail.com> wrote: > Teresa, > > I see that your tagline is, "Daughter of an Irishman without an Irish name" > - are you of Irish "Palatine German" descent? If not, your name Heiland may > be a variant spelling of the Laois name Hyland. > > > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm?fuseaction=surnamemap&Surname=hyland > > Cheers, > Paul > > > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Teresa Heiland <teresaheiland@hotmail.com > >wrote: > > > Dear Iain, > > > > I'm wondering if you could provide me with some guidance about next steps > > with ordering SNPs for my father's DNA. > > I know just enough about dna analysis to be "dangerous" to myself. LOL. > > > > My dad's kit is > > 258368 at FTdna. He (Leo > > Heiland) just passed away, so I won't likely be able to do a Big Y test > > because FTdna says it likely will require additional saliva. However, my > > brothers are living, so I could do the Big Y test at some point by asking > > one of them. > > > > His results so far is R-M222+, DF 85-. > > > > The M222 Project administrators at FtDNA suggested I ask you for advice > on > > which other tests would be most beneficial to me to learn more specific > > details. They said that I need to look "up stream" of DF 85, which I > > understand in theory, but neither they or I know which tests to explore > > next. They encouraged me to ask you. > > > > Would you kindly provide me with some direction? I know you get a lot of > > requests, so I understand if you are busy. > > > > Teresa Heiland > > (Daughter of an Irishman without an Irish name.) > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Iain, I'm wondering if you could provide me with some guidance about next steps with ordering SNPs for my father's DNA. I know just enough about dna analysis to be "dangerous" to myself. LOL. My dad's kit is 258368 at FTdna. He (Leo Heiland) just passed away, so I won't likely be able to do a Big Y test because FTdna says it likely will require additional saliva. However, my brothers are living, so I could do the Big Y test at some point by asking one of them. His results so far is R-M222+, DF 85-. The M222 Project administrators at FtDNA suggested I ask you for advice on which other tests would be most beneficial to me to learn more specific details. They said that I need to look "up stream" of DF 85, which I understand in theory, but neither they or I know which tests to explore next. They encouraged me to ask you. Would you kindly provide me with some direction? I know you get a lot of requests, so I understand if you are busy. Teresa Heiland (Daughter of an Irishman without an Irish name.)

All the ones I added have been approved by Thomas, and are on sale as well having been shown to be shared SNPs. I haven't included the DF97 one you are trying out and suggest we wait at least to see whether it splits anyone, then we can add it in the right place. Either as a branch or alongside DF97. Iain > Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 13:12:46 -0400 > From: chantillycarpets@earthlink.net > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Tree update > > A couple of questions -- and below that discussion of F3952 > > Do we have a list of which of the new sequenced SNPs are under > investigation through YSEQ? -- in other words, I assume that all the > ones listed on the tree have been sent over and Thomas has scrutinized > and either ordered in primers or they are in the shop? > > Does anyone have access to Howard Lamont's Chromo2 positive variant page > or better yet raw data file. I have been looking for a contact address > and have sent message to Sandy -- is Sandy our contact on that one? > > Again, Iain, thank you kindly for your up-dates on these trees. > > In regard to Mitch's post regarding F3952 -- this SNP is under tested. > > Mitch's haplotype departs from McBride's as follows: > 1 step up mutations at DYS - 439=13, 447=26, 531=12, 446=15 > > On DYS446 modal for the entire SNP confirmed set is 13; McBride has at 14. > Statistically a mutation to either state on that allele in this data set > is greater > in incidence among the S588 down streams than with any of the other SNP > defined groups. > That said there are sporadic instances of mutation to either a 14 or 15 > in some of the other > groups on the other side of the tree, and the other groups are larger, > so I do not believe we > can trust the statistics here. > > 1 step down mutations at DYS 460=10, 607=15, 570=16, > > They split the difference at DYS 481; modal for the set is 25; Mitch =24 > and McBride =26 > > McBride has a 1 step down mutation at 413a=20 > McBride has a 1 step up mutation at 640=12 > > So there are 10 infinite allele counted mutations between them; with a > correction for back mutations > that calculates out as 44 generations to a common ancestor -- about 1100 > years with a standard deviation amounting to 365 years > because we don't have any other numbers to assess F3952 by we may not > say with any certainty when it mutated away from S588; > none the less with a spread like that between just 2 haplotypes we may > assume that mutation occurred prior to that. > > Just a casual observation on the statistics...and don't take this too > seriously because there are too few really to come to > any conclusions on the matter really, but... DYS439 and possibly DYS 446 > may mean something for the S588 and down stream > possibles. > > As far as further testing goes, as mentioned above, this SNP is under > tested and we yet no not any down streams from it. > Sequencing efforts if possible may turn up some. > My understanding is that even in JW's datathe F3952 confirmed tests > number wise is not large, > so statistically as it looks it may remain as a minority group -- but as > also mentioned previously, the likely hood of testing bias probably > exists resulting from choice to test. > I would suggest that both Robert and Mitch begin surveying the data > bases of M222 (don't neglect Mike's varieties) > and see if you may ferret out some candidates to recommend testing > to. Any other interested parties could do the same. > > Susan > > > > On 5/8/2014 9:17 AM, Iain Kennedy wrote: > > I added the new S660 branches to the latest Wilson tree so that is more or less there now. > > > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222_tree.png > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 12:39:41 +0100 > >> From: pduffy81@gmail.com > >> To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [R-M222] Tree update > >> > >> Iain, > >> > >> Great tree as always, any chance of an update on the SNP only tree at some > >> stage: > >> www.kennedydna.com/M222_tree.png > >> > >> Useful reference for SNP order etc. > >> > >> -Paul > >> (DF41+) > >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > >> > >>> Somehow I missed Oliver Byrne 236891 who is S660/S659 on Chromo2 so I have > >>> added him, with apologies. > >>> > >>> Is S660 going to overtake DF97?! > >>> > >>> Iain > >>> > >>> http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> From: ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com > >>>> To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > >>>> Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 18:29:20 +0000 > >>>> Subject: [R-M222] Tree update > >>>> > >>>> The latest version of the tree shows > >>>> > >>>> Steve Lominac has moved under FGC4087 > >>>> Patrick J Byrnes #42289 has reported S590 from Chromo2 > >>>> Male Kennedy (no STRs) is confirmed FGC4077- S661+ S588- DF85-. > >>>> > >>>> http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > >>>> > >>>> Iain > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, Just got the word back from Scotland's DNA. I give people on the list permission to access the data, but please inform me if you share it with anyone else. For the record, my FTDNA kit number is 218512. Loughney is derived from O'Lachtna, who were cheiftans of the Two Backs (from Lough Conn to the River Moy), Glen Nephin and Beaudach (area surounding Crossmolina). Lachtna's father would have been Fear Bhisigh mac Domhnaill Óig, and he was said to be brother to Amhlaoibh Mór mac Fir Bhisigh in the 11th century. I uploaded my results here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_tdjuFX_wj4em9nUnd3TTNxUGc/edit?usp=sharing They list me as: Ancient Irish R1b-M222; R1b-S660 My genetic signature is: CTS10149+, CTS11150+, CTS11468+, CTS11575+, CTS11948+, CTS11991+, CTS12057+, CTS12633+, CTS12773+, CTS1738+, CTS2134+, CTS2254+, CTS2480+, CTS2569+, CTS2664+, CTS3229+, CTS3315+, CTS3316+, CTS3358+, CTS3654+, CTS3818+, CTS3844+, CTS4293+, CTS4437+, CTS4740+, CTS4944+, CTS5139(+), CTS5248+, CTS543+, CTS6327+, CTS6376+, CTS6383+, CTS6445+, CTS7301+, CTS7604+, CTS7659+, CTS7922+, CTS7941+, CTS8221+, CTS8627+, CTS8728+, CTS9200+, CTS9556+, CTS9760+, F1794+, L1002+, L1013+, L1053+, L1084+, L1098+, L1105+, L1118+, L1123+, L1129+, L1130+, L1137+, L1143+, L1145+, L1150+, L1179+, L1220+, L132+, L1345+, L1350+, L1352+, L265+, L278+, L320+, L352+, L438+, L440+, L468+, L470+, L479+, L498+, L508+, L543+, L58+, L604+, L741+, L752+, L757+, L768+, L773+, L822+, L82+, L875+, L882+, L969+, M213+, M235+, M294+, M299+, M415+, M42+, M523+, M526+, M74+, P128+, P131+, P135+, P139+, P140+, P141+, P142+, P143+, P151+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P163+, P224+, P225+, P226+, P229+, P230+, P232+, P233+, P234+, P236+, P239+, P242+, P244+, P245+, P280+, P282+, P284+, P285+, P294+, P295+, P297+, P305+, P310+, PAGE081+, PAGE083+, PF1030+, PF1067+, PF1081+, PF1252+, PF1253+, PF1416+, PF1695+, PF1911+, PF256+, PF2590+, PF2592+, PF2615+, PF2617+, PF2619+, PF2621+, PF2622+, PF2624+, PF2626+, PF2629+, PF2640+, PF2651+, PF2653+, PF2655+, PF2658+, PF2660+, PF2677+, PF2679+, PF2683+, PF2684+, PF2685+, PF2688+, PF2690+, PF2700+, PF2702+, PF2704+, PF2709+, PF2716+, PF2718+, PF2722+, PF2734+, PF2736+, PF2737+, PF2739+, PF2742+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2760+, PF2762+, PF2775+, PF3495+, PF3500+, PF5459+, PF5461+, PF5480+, PF5495+, PF5857+, PF5861+, PF5865+, PF5869+, PF5870+, PF5872+, PF5873+, PF5885+, PF5887+, PF5893+, PF5898+, PF5908+, PF5912+, PF5914+, PF5917+, PF5918+, PF5923+, PF5927+, PF5936+, PF5940+, PF5941+, PF5945+, PF5949+, PF5953+, PF5957+, PF5958+, PF5964+, PF5966+, PF5977+, PF5980+, PF5981+, PF5982+, PF6016+, PF6040+, PF6047+, PF6055+, PF6056+, PF6063+, PF6065+, PF6079+, PF6082+, PF6114+, PF6115+, PF6116+, PF6129+, PF6136+, PF6143+, PF6145+, PF6242+, PF6246+, PF6249+, PF6252+, PF6258+, PF6263+, PF6265+, PF6267+, PF6269+, PF626+, PF6271+, PF6272+, PF6399+, PF6409+, PF6410+, PF6419+, PF6429+, PF6430+, PF6432+, PF6434+, PF6435+, PF643+, PF6443+, PF6451+, PF6463+, PF6467+, PF6469+, PF6471+, PF6475+, PF6481+, PF6484+, PF6487+, PF6495+, PF6497+, PF6506+, PF6507+, PF6524+, PF6528+, PF653+, PF6541+, PF679+, PF733+, PF744+, PF825(+), PF834+, PF869+, PF948+, S11330(+), S1159+, S11638+, S116+, S12547(+), S128+, S138+, S145+, S1572+, S163(+), S193+, S1984(+), S19862(+), S1+, S2003+, S2017+, S20246+, S20315+, S26361+, S26903+, S349+, S351+, S3848+, S3+, S461+, S474+, S476+, S4888+, S4+, S6141+, S6149+, S6152+, S6155+, S629+, S634+, S635+, S6378+, S637+, S640+, S641+, S642+, S645+, S651+, S652+, S653+, S655+, S656+, S658+, S659+, S660+, S661+, S7072+, S7073+, S8235+, S8709+, S9158+, S959+, SRY10831(+), V102+, V104+, V126+, V168+, V186+, V187+, V221+, V226+, V231+, V241+, V29+, V41+, V52+, V9+, YSC0167+, YSC0186+, YSC0203+, YSC0227+, YSC1297+, Z1244+, Z2956+, Z2957+, Z2960+, Z2961+, Z2962+, Z2963+, Z2964+

> Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 13:12:46 -0400 > From: chantillycarpets@earthlink.net > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Tree update > > A couple of questions -- and below that discussion of F3952 Dear Susan, Iain, List, Re: F3952 My son, Leon McKee Jr, received his YSEQ kit on 1 May and returned next mail to YSEQ. He is B4398 on the M222 project excel and acct 325 at YSEQ. He should be in Group 11 also. So, we can look forward to those results any time I would think........ Thanks more than I adequately express for the work Iain, yourself and all our members are working together to get 'er done. Linda

Thanks Susan for the update on f3952! Sent from Samsung tablet -------- Original message -------- From: Susan Hedeen <chantillycarpets@earthlink.net> Date:05/08/2014 1:12 PM (GMT-05:00) To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] Tree update A couple of questions -- and below that discussion of F3952 Do we have a list of which of the new sequenced SNPs are under investigation through YSEQ? -- in other words, I assume that all the ones listed on the tree have been sent over and Thomas has scrutinized and either ordered in primers or they are in the shop? Does anyone have access to Howard Lamont's Chromo2 positive variant page or better yet raw data file. I have been looking for a contact address and have sent message to Sandy -- is Sandy our contact on that one? Again, Iain, thank you kindly for your up-dates on these trees. In regard to Mitch's post regarding F3952 -- this SNP is under tested. Mitch's haplotype departs from McBride's as follows: 1 step up mutations at DYS - 439=13, 447=26, 531=12, 446=15 On DYS446 modal for the entire SNP confirmed set is 13; McBride has at 14. Statistically a mutation to either state on that allele in this data set is greater in incidence among the S588 down streams than with any of the other SNP defined groups. That said there are sporadic instances of mutation to either a 14 or 15 in some of the other groups on the other side of the tree, and the other groups are larger, so I do not believe we can trust the statistics here. 1 step down mutations at DYS 460=10, 607=15, 570=16, They split the difference at DYS 481; modal for the set is 25; Mitch =24 and McBride =26 McBride has a 1 step down mutation at 413a=20 McBride has a 1 step up mutation at 640=12 So there are 10 infinite allele counted mutations between them; with a correction for back mutations that calculates out as 44 generations to a common ancestor -- about 1100 years with a standard deviation amounting to 365 years because we don't have any other numbers to assess F3952 by we may not say with any certainty when it mutated away from S588; none the less with a spread like that between just 2 haplotypes we may assume that mutation occurred prior to that. Just a casual observation on the statistics...and don't take this too seriously because there are too few really to come to any conclusions on the matter really, but... DYS439 and possibly DYS 446 may mean something for the S588 and down stream possibles. As far as further testing goes, as mentioned above, this SNP is under tested and we yet no not any down streams from it. Sequencing efforts if possible may turn up some. My understanding is that even in JW's datathe F3952 confirmed tests number wise is not large, so statistically as it looks it may remain as a minority group -- but as also mentioned previously, the likely hood of testing bias probably exists resulting from choice to test. I would suggest that both Robert and Mitch begin surveying the data bases of M222 (don't neglect Mike's varieties) and see if you may ferret out some candidates to recommend testing to. Any other interested parties could do the same. Susan On 5/8/2014 9:17 AM, Iain Kennedy wrote: > I added the new S660 branches to the latest Wilson tree so that is more or less there now. > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222_tree.png > > > > > > >> Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 12:39:41 +0100 >> From: pduffy81@gmail.com >> To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [R-M222] Tree update >> >> Iain, >> >> Great tree as always, any chance of an update on the SNP only tree at some >> stage: >> www.kennedydna.com/M222_tree.png >> >> Useful reference for SNP order etc. >> >> -Paul >> (DF41+) >> >> >> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Somehow I missed Oliver Byrne 236891 who is S660/S659 on Chromo2 so I have >>> added him, with apologies. >>> >>> Is S660 going to overtake DF97?! >>> >>> Iain >>> >>> http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com >>>> To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com >>>> Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 18:29:20 +0000 >>>> Subject: [R-M222] Tree update >>>> >>>> The latest version of the tree shows >>>> >>>> Steve Lominac has moved under FGC4087 >>>> Patrick J Byrnes #42289 has reported S590 from Chromo2 >>>> Male Kennedy (no STRs) is confirmed FGC4077- S661+ S588- DF85-. >>>> >>>> http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf >>>> >>>> Iain >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just as some of you told me months ago, I'm M222, of course.  I'm sending this quick note now only because I just noticed last night that FTDNA had changed me from M269 to M222.  I guess they did that a couple of weeks ago, but I failed to notice it.  I'm kit 246162.  I've still only tested to 67 markers on STRs. Just today I read an anecdote about a family named Neil who moved from Ireland to Canada, and an official in Canada said, "There aren't any Neils in Ireland.  They are O'Neils!"  So their surname was changed to O'Neil. Ed Cannon - Austin, Texas, USA

Hi John, Congrats! Where there is smoke there is fire, and it now appears that you have caught on to something! It appears that you have had some exceptional good luck. Best, Doug On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:45 PM, john.loughney@gmail.com < john.loughney@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I just had an autosomal DNA match with a William MacGillivray on 23andme. > His yDNA haplogroup is listed as M222+. I am going to see if I can talk him > into a more advanced yDNA test. MacGillvary is my mother's maiden name, > and I can find a sort of paper trail to our common ancestor from the > Moidart area of Scotland (near Arisaig). Clan MacGillivray seems to have > originated in the western Hebrides, potentially on Mull. Clan history > remarks that they were an important Clan prior to Somerled. Later, they > sought protection under the McIntoshes and became part of the Clan Chattan > federation. Clan MacGillivray were eventually awarded land in Inverness in > the 15th century (or so). > > I would assume this would point to the MacGillivray's being Dál Riata, but > of course further testing would be needed. There is an FTDNA Surname > Project for them as well, see > > https://www.familytreedna.com/public/MacGillivray/default.aspx?section=yresults[there > are M222+ listed there as well]. > > I noticed that John Lochlan asked about the MacGillivray's back in 2011: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DNA-R1B1C7/2011-04/1301697029 > > John > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I added the new S660 branches to the latest Wilson tree so that is more or less there now. http://www.kennedydna.com/M222_tree.png > Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 12:39:41 +0100 > From: pduffy81@gmail.com > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Tree update > > Iain, > > Great tree as always, any chance of an update on the SNP only tree at some > stage: > www.kennedydna.com/M222_tree.png > > Useful reference for SNP order etc. > > -Paul > (DF41+) > > > On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > Somehow I missed Oliver Byrne 236891 who is S660/S659 on Chromo2 so I have > > added him, with apologies. > > > > Is S660 going to overtake DF97?! > > > > Iain > > > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com > > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 18:29:20 +0000 > > > Subject: [R-M222] Tree update > > > > > > The latest version of the tree shows > > > > > > Steve Lominac has moved under FGC4087 > > > Patrick J Byrnes #42289 has reported S590 from Chromo2 > > > Male Kennedy (no STRs) is confirmed FGC4077- S661+ S588- DF85-. > > > > > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A couple of questions -- and below that discussion of F3952 Do we have a list of which of the new sequenced SNPs are under investigation through YSEQ? -- in other words, I assume that all the ones listed on the tree have been sent over and Thomas has scrutinized and either ordered in primers or they are in the shop? Does anyone have access to Howard Lamont's Chromo2 positive variant page or better yet raw data file. I have been looking for a contact address and have sent message to Sandy -- is Sandy our contact on that one? Again, Iain, thank you kindly for your up-dates on these trees. In regard to Mitch's post regarding F3952 -- this SNP is under tested. Mitch's haplotype departs from McBride's as follows: 1 step up mutations at DYS - 439=13, 447=26, 531=12, 446=15 On DYS446 modal for the entire SNP confirmed set is 13; McBride has at 14. Statistically a mutation to either state on that allele in this data set is greater in incidence among the S588 down streams than with any of the other SNP defined groups. That said there are sporadic instances of mutation to either a 14 or 15 in some of the other groups on the other side of the tree, and the other groups are larger, so I do not believe we can trust the statistics here. 1 step down mutations at DYS 460=10, 607=15, 570=16, They split the difference at DYS 481; modal for the set is 25; Mitch =24 and McBride =26 McBride has a 1 step down mutation at 413a=20 McBride has a 1 step up mutation at 640=12 So there are 10 infinite allele counted mutations between them; with a correction for back mutations that calculates out as 44 generations to a common ancestor -- about 1100 years with a standard deviation amounting to 365 years because we don't have any other numbers to assess F3952 by we may not say with any certainty when it mutated away from S588; none the less with a spread like that between just 2 haplotypes we may assume that mutation occurred prior to that. Just a casual observation on the statistics...and don't take this too seriously because there are too few really to come to any conclusions on the matter really, but... DYS439 and possibly DYS 446 may mean something for the S588 and down stream possibles. As far as further testing goes, as mentioned above, this SNP is under tested and we yet no not any down streams from it. Sequencing efforts if possible may turn up some. My understanding is that even in JW's datathe F3952 confirmed tests number wise is not large, so statistically as it looks it may remain as a minority group -- but as also mentioned previously, the likely hood of testing bias probably exists resulting from choice to test. I would suggest that both Robert and Mitch begin surveying the data bases of M222 (don't neglect Mike's varieties) and see if you may ferret out some candidates to recommend testing to. Any other interested parties could do the same. Susan On 5/8/2014 9:17 AM, Iain Kennedy wrote: > I added the new S660 branches to the latest Wilson tree so that is more or less there now. > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222_tree.png > > > > > > >> Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 12:39:41 +0100 >> From: pduffy81@gmail.com >> To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [R-M222] Tree update >> >> Iain, >> >> Great tree as always, any chance of an update on the SNP only tree at some >> stage: >> www.kennedydna.com/M222_tree.png >> >> Useful reference for SNP order etc. >> >> -Paul >> (DF41+) >> >> >> On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Somehow I missed Oliver Byrne 236891 who is S660/S659 on Chromo2 so I have >>> added him, with apologies. >>> >>> Is S660 going to overtake DF97?! >>> >>> Iain >>> >>> http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com >>>> To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com >>>> Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 18:29:20 +0000 >>>> Subject: [R-M222] Tree update >>>> >>>> The latest version of the tree shows >>>> >>>> Steve Lominac has moved under FGC4087 >>>> Patrick J Byrnes #42289 has reported S590 from Chromo2 >>>> Male Kennedy (no STRs) is confirmed FGC4077- S661+ S588- DF85-. >>>> >>>> http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf >>>> >>>> Iain >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Iain, Great work as usual - much appreciated! It's nice to see the M222 tree getting bushier and more detailed. Cheers, Paul On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > I added the new S660 branches to the latest Wilson tree so that is more or > less there now. > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222_tree.png > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 12:39:41 +0100 > > From: pduffy81@gmail.com > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Tree update > > > > Iain, > > > > Great tree as always, any chance of an update on the SNP only tree at > some > > stage: > > www.kennedydna.com/M222_tree.png > > > > Useful reference for SNP order etc. > > > > -Paul > > (DF41+) > > > > > > On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Iain Kennedy < > ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > > > Somehow I missed Oliver Byrne 236891 who is S660/S659 on Chromo2 so I > have > > > added him, with apologies. > > > > > > Is S660 going to overtake DF97?! > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com > > > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > > > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 18:29:20 +0000 > > > > Subject: [R-M222] Tree update > > > > > > > > The latest version of the tree shows > > > > > > > > Steve Lominac has moved under FGC4087 > > > > Patrick J Byrnes #42289 has reported S590 from Chromo2 > > > > Male Kennedy (no STRs) is confirmed FGC4077- S661+ S588- DF85-. > > > > > > > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all, I just had an autosomal DNA match with a William MacGillivray on 23andme. His yDNA haplogroup is listed as M222+. I am going to see if I can talk him into a more advanced yDNA test. MacGillvary is my mother's maiden name, and I can find a sort of paper trail to our common ancestor from the Moidart area of Scotland (near Arisaig). Clan MacGillivray seems to have originated in the western Hebrides, potentially on Mull. Clan history remarks that they were an important Clan prior to Somerled. Later, they sought protection under the McIntoshes and became part of the Clan Chattan federation. Clan MacGillivray were eventually awarded land in Inverness in the 15th century (or so). I would assume this would point to the MacGillivray's being Dál Riata, but of course further testing would be needed. There is an FTDNA Surname Project for them as well, see https://www.familytreedna.com/public/MacGillivray/default.aspx?section=yresults[there are M222+ listed there as well]. I noticed that John Lochlan asked about the MacGillivray's back in 2011: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DNA-R1B1C7/2011-04/1301697029 John

This kit has now tested S660/S659 from Chromo2 and has been added to the tree, thanks for testing! The other regular analysts (Susan here and Mike over in L21) would I'm sure like to see the raw results file if it could be passed on please. Iain http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > From: ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:27:03 +0000 > Subject: [R-M222] Frew N113724 > > Is the owner of this kit on the list? They seem to be about the only DYS392=16 around so are of great interest to me in my research of my DYS392=15 group. Black suggests its a locative surname from the Frews near Flanders Moss although its concentration peaks later in Ayrshire. It would be fascinating to see which of the new sub-branches he is in. He has tested DF85-. > > Iain > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm not sure there is a generic answer to that. Some of the BigY and FGC tests have yielded additional branching SNPs that are either being evaluated or are there to be tried out: S660 and DF97 at the moment. The rest (off the top of my head) have only yielded private SNPs not shared with anyone else. Most frustratingly to me despite five people in FGC0477 being sequenced we have yet to find a single new shared SNP. For those who aren't in branches I have mentioned specifically the difficulty is that to try one person's private SNPs from one's own branch can be too expensive to justify, although it is possible to get some good bulk deals from Thomas Krahn. However the cost may approach the point at which you might have to think twice whether it would be better to get sequenced yourself. Better to shout out questions citing your actual branch either on the list or off, which ever you prefer (I have no preference in this respect!). Iain > Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 14:20:54 -0500 > From: william.guinn@gmail.com > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: [R-M222] Summarizing next steps > > Forgive me if this has been adequately covered elsewhere, but in > intermittently reviewing the Digest and Iain and others' continual efforts > to map our community to the most up-to-date information, it's become a bit > overwhelming to know how best we individual participants can help the group > by pursuing additional testing. This has become especially true following > the mapping of some of the individuals who have pursued Big Y. > > Would it be possible for those who are closer to the current status to > provide some general advice on what those who have pursued Chromo2 or Geno > 2.0 may do to help refine these trees? > > Is there enough information for some of us to pursue individual SNP tests; > are there broad areas of the tree where additional Big Y or FGC > participants would be useful to the group? Should we hold off for now? > > How can we help? > > RG > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Matt, stripped of the html tags the critical bit is 4083940 4083940 G- 274 FGC4077 and as FGC4077 is 04083940GT ie a G->T mutation you are negative (as indicated by the little '-' sign after the call value G). thanks for posting Iain > From: matthannan1@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 15:58:39 -0400 > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: [R-M222] YSEQ FGC4077 Results > > I think I have received my results from YSEQ, but I have entirely no idea > what I am looking at. > This is what it shows in the "My Allele Results" section: > > SampleID <http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=1a> > Marker+<http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=2d> > Chr <http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=3a>Start<http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=4a> > End <http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=5a>Allele<http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=6a> > 274FGC3872 <http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=FGC3872> > ChrY<http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=ChrY:4083860..4084020> > 40839404083940 G-274FGC4077<http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=FGC4077> > ChrY<http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=ChrY:4083860..4084020>4083940 > 4083940G-274FGC9894<http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=FGC9894> > ChrY<http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=ChrY:4083901..4084061> > 40839814083981 C- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Matt. is 274 your YSEQ ID? On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Matt Hannan <matthannan1@gmail.com> wrote: > I think I have received my results from YSEQ, but I have entirely no idea > what I am looking at. > This is what it shows in the "My Allele Results" section: > > SampleID <http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=1a> > Marker+<http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=2d> > Chr <http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=3a>Start< > http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=4a> > End <http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=5a>Allele< > http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=6a> > 274FGC3872 < > http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=FGC3872> > ChrY< > http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=ChrY:4083860..4084020 > > > 40839404083940 G-274FGC4077< > http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=FGC4077> > ChrY< > http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=ChrY:4083860..4084020 > >4083940 > 4083940G-274FGC9894< > http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=FGC9894> > ChrY< > http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=ChrY:4083901..4084061 > > > 40839814083981 C- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John, I was fooled recently when I found a "new relative" at a GD of 7. I searched him out and found that he shared 3/8/67 of my off-modals, which cancelled out, but the main reason for the low GD was that he was so close to modal that he added only 2 other differences from modal. That, plus my 5 other off modals = 7. Incidentally, he is DF97+ and I am S7814+,F1265+. David On 2014-05-07, 3:01 PM, "john.loughney@gmail.com" <john.loughney@gmail.com> wrote: >Hi all, > >I wonder if anyone has dug into their yDNA matches on FTDNA lately. If I >look at my 12 step matches, there are a lot of people with updated >haplogroups. Are they updating everyone's haplogroups proactively, and any >sense if these updated haplogroups are accurate? > >I am seeing things like R-M269, R-DF23, R-P312, and a few blank >haplogroups. I am still at M222 and all of my 67 step matches are either >M222+ or blank. > >Oh, and one dumb question, what is the difference between Haplogroup and >Terminal SNP on FTDNA? (R M222 vs M222 for example?) > >John > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Matt, looks to me like a negative result. Have you joined group 11? If so, what is you YSEQ ID -- is it 274? Susan On 5/7/2014 3:58 PM, Matt Hannan wrote: > I think I have received my results from YSEQ, but I have entirely no idea > what I am looking at. > This is what it shows in the "My Allele Results" section: > > SampleID <http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=1a> > Marker+<http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=2d> > Chr <http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=3a>Start<http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=4a> > End <http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=5a>Allele<http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=6a> > 274FGC3872 <http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=FGC3872> > ChrY<http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=ChrY:4083860..4084020> > 40839404083940 G-274FGC4077<http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=FGC4077> > ChrY<http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=ChrY:4083860..4084020>4083940 > 4083940G-274FGC9894<http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=FGC9894> > ChrY<http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=ChrY:4083901..4084061> > 40839814083981 C- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a community effort, with all of our DNA statistics combined. Really, SNP and STR data mean almost nothing to any of us as individuals. But a combination of many individual DNA statistics could help to put the big genetic picture together. So go for whatever SNP and STR testing as you could afford, then turn those test results over to the committee on this board, who in turn will then better assess who you are and where you come from, And that is as good as good gets! On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 3:20 PM, William Guinn <william.guinn@gmail.com>wrote: > Forgive me if this has been adequately covered elsewhere, but in > intermittently reviewing the Digest and Iain and others' continual efforts > to map our community to the most up-to-date information, it's become a bit > overwhelming to know how best we individual participants can help the group > by pursuing additional testing. This has become especially true following > the mapping of some of the individuals who have pursued Big Y. > > Would it be possible for those who are closer to the current status to > provide some general advice on what those who have pursued Chromo2 or Geno > 2.0 may do to help refine these trees? > > Is there enough information for some of us to pursue individual SNP tests; > are there broad areas of the tree where additional Big Y or FGC > participants would be useful to the group? Should we hold off for now? > > How can we help? > > RG > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I think I have received my results from YSEQ, but I have entirely no idea what I am looking at. This is what it shows in the "My Allele Results" section: SampleID <http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=1a> Marker+<http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=2d> Chr <http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=3a>Start<http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=4a> End <http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=5a>Allele<http://shop.yseq.net/alleles.php?page=1&sort=6a> 274FGC3872 <http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=FGC3872> ChrY<http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=ChrY:4083860..4084020> 40839404083940 G-274FGC4077<http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=FGC4077> ChrY<http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=ChrY:4083860..4084020>4083940 4083940G-274FGC9894<http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=FGC9894> ChrY<http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?name=ChrY:4083901..4084061> 40839814083981 C-