*From:* McKee <ldm.127187@gmail.com> *Subject:* [R-M222] (no subject) *Date:* Fri, 9 May 2014 20:39:00 -0500 Hello Kyle, Thanks very much for the verification. I have returned your results to the Subgroup 7.1 S660/S659/DF105 positive. Linda Message: 2 Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 16:56:18 -0500 From: Kyle DePew <kddepew@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [R-M222] Iain's Tree To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Hi Linda, My kit (N113849 DePew) is negative for Z70. FTDNA had it corrected to R-M222 for about six days, then changed it back. I sent them another email asking them what was going on, but have received no response. I'm still listed as "Z70-" in my SNP list, however. I am also DF105+ and DF85-, if that helps you categorize me. Kyle

Hello Kyle, Thanks very much for the verification. I have returned your results to the Subgroup 7.1 S660/S659/DF105 positive. Linda Message: 2 Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 16:56:18 -0500 From: Kyle DePew <kddepew@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [R-M222] Iain's Tree To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Hi Linda, My kit (N113849 DePew) is negative for Z70. FTDNA had it corrected to R-M222 for about six days, then changed it back. I sent them another email asking them what was going on, but have received no response. I'm still listed as "Z70-" in my SNP list, however. I am also DF105+ and DF85-, if that helps you categorize me. Kyle

I highly recommend this publication. It doesn't deal with R-M222 explicitly -- the focus is about social and genetic heritage discussed in summary form. It is not highly technical and should be understandable by most. Do not be misled by the title. Although the title deals with a particular investigation, the messages within this paper are applicable to all investigating their genetic heritage. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3807801/ An exerpt: "In summary, population genetics does not offer unambiguous answers to questions of identity and ancestry. It is able to make claims about the distribution of genetic markers over time and is able to engage with socio-historically structured practices, such as the use of surnames, in the production of these claims. However, the selection and analysis of genetic markers is shaped by a number of technical, economic and social factors -- not least the generation of the markers themselves. Moreover, the modelling of this distribution requires the use of analogues (such as Norwegian men for Vikings) and assumptions drawn from contemporary historical analysis of migration patterns. If genetic code is a form of cultural memory, then it is one which needs considerable technical expertise to be cautiously and provisionally interpreted."... "The material we have presented here comes from the very early stages of a project, which we hope will ultimately shed some light on the ways that 'applied genetic history' is fast becoming a key vector in contemporary debates about belonging, migration and national identity. Genetic code is, for many of our participants, a form of archival memory that is just opening up. Our initial findings suggest that participants are already receptive to the promises that are being made by companies such as Ancestry.com <http://Ancestry.com> to 'pick up where the paper trail leaves off'. It is a form of cultural memory which was previously inaccessible and which is felt to offer answers to interpretive puzzles around ancestry. Applied genetic history will, our participants feel, then enable them to push beyond the limits of genealogy into the recesses of the remote past. Yet at the heart of testing, there is a fundamental paradox. Genetic code is literally embodied, as the process of being tested with a 'spit kit' makes clear. The emphasis which our participants place on 'feeling' as the basis of identification makes sense, since the relation is carried within the composition of one's own body. But the code itself only really exists in a highly mediated state, as a trace that is supported by a weave of technical practices, theoretical assumptions and complex analytic techniques, which in turn exist within the wider 'genetic imaginary' (Franklin, 2000 <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3807801/#bibr9-0038038513493538>; Stacey, 2010 <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3807801/#bibr30-0038038513493538>). As we have shown, these remediations create a range of implications for how national and local identity is accounted for by participants. The remote past may well persist in the archival memory carried by the body, as our participants hope it does, but surfacing this past in any meaningful form could not be less straightforward. We want to conclude with a final observation suggested by Hoskins' (2009a <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3807801/#bibr11-0038038513493538>, 2009b <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3807801/#bibr12-0038038513493538>) work on digital memory. To speak of genetic code as archival memory is to focus on how personal narratives of identity and belonging can be fashioned from stored biological information. The techniques for making this information mobile constitute a complex assemblage of formal knowledge, whose assumptions and claims are currently being worked out in a contested zone where academic knowledge and commercial exploitation meet and become difficult to disentangle, as the contributors to this special issue describe in different ways. From our perspective, we would note that quite often what draws participants into genetic ancestry testing are claims made by commercial companies on, for example, the geographical distribution of Y chromosomes, based on existing databases, which are often partial and equivocal and heavily remediated through popular media texts. The results of these tests then become part of developing a rapidly communicative memory that is itself remediated through online genealogy websites, social media and evolving family histories. The concern must then be, following Hoskins, that this 'on the fly' reconstruction of personal family histories will lead to the subsuming of archival memory within communicative memory. We can see this beginning to happen in, for example, the debates about phylogeography (Beaumont et al., 2010 <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3807801/#bibr3-0038038513493538>; Templeton, 2009 <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3807801/#bibr31-0038038513493538>), which, as discussed earlier, are beginning to move from the academic to the public sphere. The result may then be a vast increase in the circulation of putative claims about genetic ancestry which become increasingly difficult to evaluate and which feed into narratives of national and local identity that are unmoored from the contents of the archive. Unravelling the applied genetic histories which emerge will require some considerable sociological imagination." Susan

Teresa, the best option would be to take advantage of the YSEQ sale which should allow two rounds of testing before the price goes up (and even then is cheaper than FTDNA), assuming one of your brothers is willing. A strategy would be round one: S660 round two: S588 if S660+. FGC4077 if S660-. That will more or less nail it unless you are S588+ and then have to follow up for a third round. The growing picture as you may have gathered is a heavy concentration with S660 as their terminal SNP so statistically that is probably the most likely outcome and a third round wouldn't then be needed. I think Chromo2 is not such a good option in your case as you have already eliminated one major branch. Iain > From: teresaheiland@hotmail.com > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 10:00:40 -0700 > Subject: [R-M222] needing advice > > Dear Iain, > > I'm wondering if you could provide me with some guidance about next steps with ordering SNPs for my father's DNA. > I know just enough about dna analysis to be "dangerous" to myself. LOL. > > My dad's kit is > 258368 at FTdna. He (Leo Heiland) just passed away, so I won't likely be able to do a Big Y test because FTdna says it likely will require additional saliva. However, my brothers are living, so I could do the Big Y test at some point by asking one of them. > > His results so far is R-M222+, DF 85-. > > The M222 Project administrators at FtDNA suggested I ask you for advice on which other tests would be most beneficial to me to learn more specific details. They said that I need to look "up stream" of DF 85, which I understand in theory, but neither they or I know which tests to explore next. They encouraged me to ask you. > > Would you kindly provide me with some direction? I know you get a lot of requests, so I understand if you are busy. > > Teresa Heiland > (Daughter of an Irishman without an Irish name.) > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I didn't add it to the skeleton tree so its covered by the 'more or less' bit! We are currently all testing all three branch markers and there is a further update (to the full tree) due to be uploaded this evening in that part of the tree. Iain > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 12:20:10 -0500 > From: mwwdna@gmail.com > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Tree update > > Paul is correct. This is beautiful to see a much fuller tree for M222. > Thanks for your work, Iain. > > I was looking through my notes and had FGC4087 mentioned. What's the > status of FGC4087? > > Mike W > > > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > I added the new S660 branches to the latest Wilson tree so that is more or > > less there now. > > > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222_tree.png > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 12:39:41 +0100 > > > From: pduffy81@gmail.com > > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Tree update > > > > > > Iain, > > > > > > Great tree as always, any chance of an update on the SNP only tree at > > some > > > stage: > > > www.kennedydna.com/M222_tree.png > > > > > > Useful reference for SNP order etc. > > > > > > -Paul > > > (DF41+) > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Iain Kennedy < > > ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > > > > > Somehow I missed Oliver Byrne 236891 who is S660/S659 on Chromo2 so I > > have > > > > added him, with apologies. > > > > > > > > Is S660 going to overtake DF97?! > > > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com > > > > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > > > > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 18:29:20 +0000 > > > > > Subject: [R-M222] Tree update > > > > > > > > > > The latest version of the tree shows > > > > > > > > > > Steve Lominac has moved under FGC4087 > > > > > Patrick J Byrnes #42289 has reported S590 from Chromo2 > > > > > Male Kennedy (no STRs) is confirmed FGC4077- S661+ S588- DF85-. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > > > > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paul, BISDNA only do the chip test not individual SNPs. I have done quite a few YSEQ tests to UK addresses and the only issue I had was when my own first kit disappeared over the Atlantic. Since then I have sent them all by Airsure barcode tracking and they have all arrived safely. It costs about UKP6-8 extra which I think is worth it. But I agree about the convenience factor, and in fact I have favoured US testers slightly for YSEQ especially in the early days for a faster turnaround. Having said that, the last kit I sent went out on April 29th and arrived with the Krahns yesterday which is not bad really. Iain > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 16:02:17 +0000 > From: pabloburns@comcast.net > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: [R-M222] Testing SNPs Below M222 > > It should be much easier to get members to test for individual SNPs, if I can assure them that they stand a good chance of being positive for the recommended one. I can handle that, but which lab? Does anyone have a list of who does what? I can look up FTDNA and YSEQ, but what about BISDNA? Since most of Aian's chart consists of "S" class SNPs, they obviously can test for most of interest. Do they do individual SNP testing and, if so, at what cost? > The reason I ask is that many of my members live in Ireland or the UK. If feasible, it seems to make sense to urge those members to test with BISDNA, and Americans/Canadians with YSEQ. > Paul > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Geoff, As you wrote, "Would someone mind telling me what to do with the raw data? I know many people have asked in the past but I'm a bit confused by it all." Ha! I am in the same camp as you. All of those data results are basically meaningless to me as an individual, but if more than one set of such data, indeed, if many sets of such data could be compared with each other then we as a genetic group could make real progress toward putting a "big picture" genetic map together, to the mutual benefit of each and all of us. And fortunately there are those citizen-scientists around here who know how to crunch all of that data in an intelligible picture. Best, Doug FTDNA 196477 On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > Thanks for posting your results. > > About the raw data, please download the file and send out copies exactly > as it is presented on the download page, please try to avoid re-saving it > in Excel, Word etc. If you ordered the Raw product there should be a button > to download it. I'd like a copy and so would Susan and Mike etc. > > Many thanks > > Iain > > > > > > > From: mg_melloy@hotmail.com > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 20:48:37 +1000 > > CC: elainedarling@flexinet.com.au; caroldyer41@hotmail.com; > jmelloy@gil.com.au; Lyn.Kally@gmail.com; anoccasion@gmail.com > > Subject: [R-M222] Geoff Melloy Chromo 2 > > > > Hi all, > > > > I was pleasantly surprised a few minutes ago to receive notification of > my > > Chromo 2 results - earlier than expected. > > > > My subtype is R1b-S668, and my genetic signature is as follows: > > > > CTS10149+, CTS11150+, CTS11468+, CTS11575+, CTS11948+, CTS11991+, > CTS12057+, > > CTS12633+, CTS12773+, CTS1738+, CTS2134+, CTS2254+, CTS2480+, CTS2569+, > > CTS2664+, CTS3229+, CTS3315+, CTS3316+, CTS3358+, CTS3654+, CTS3818+, > > CTS3844+, CTS4293+, CTS4437+, CTS4740+, CTS4944+, CTS5139(+), CTS5248+, > > CTS543+, CTS6327+, CTS6376+, CTS6383+, CTS6445+, CTS7301+, CTS7604+, > > CTS7659+, CTS7922+, CTS7941+, CTS8221+, CTS8627+, CTS8728+, CTS9200+, > > CTS9556+, CTS9760+, F1794+, L1002+, L1013+, L1053+, L1084+, L1098+, > L1105+, > > L1118+, L1123+, L1129+, L1130+, L1137+, L1143+, L1145+, L1150+, L1179+, > > L1220+, L132+, L1345+, L1350+, L1352+, L265+, L278+, L320+, L352+, L438+, > > L440+, L468+, L470+, L479+, L498+, L508+, L543+, L58+, L604+, L741+, > L752+, > > L757+, L768+, L773+, L822+, L82+, L875+, L882+, L969+, M213+, M235+, > M294+, > > M299+, M415+, M42+, M523+, M526+, M74+, P128+, P131+, P135+, P139+, > P140+, > > P141+, P142+, P143+, P151+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P163+, P224+, P225+, > P226+, > > P229+, P230+, P232+, P233+, P234+, P236+, P239+, P242+, P244+, P245+, > P280+, > > P282+, P284+, P285+, P294+, P295+, P297+, P305+, P310+, PAGE081+, > PAGE083+, > > PF1030+, PF1067+, PF1081+, PF1252+, PF1253+, PF1416+, PF1695+, PF1911+, > > PF256+, PF2590+, PF2592+, PF2615+, PF2617+, PF2619+, PF2621+, PF2622+, > > PF2624+, PF2626+, PF2629+, PF2640+, PF2651+, PF2653+, PF2655+, PF2658+, > > PF2660+, PF2677+, PF2679+, PF2683+, PF2684+, PF2685+, PF2688+, PF2690+, > > PF2700+, PF2702+, PF2704+, PF2709+, PF2716+, PF2718+, PF2722+, PF2734+, > > PF2736+, PF2737+, PF2739+, PF2742+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2760+, PF2762+, > > PF2775+, PF3495+, PF3500+, PF5459+, PF5461+, PF5480+, PF5495+, PF5857+, > > PF5861+, PF5865+, PF5869+, PF5870+, PF5872+, PF5873+, PF5885+, PF5887+, > > PF5893+, PF5898+, PF5908+, PF5912+, PF5914+, PF5917+, PF5918+, PF5923+, > > PF5927+, PF5936+, PF5940+, PF5941+, PF5945+, PF5949+, PF5953+, PF5957+, > > PF5958+, PF5964+, PF5966+, PF5977+, PF5980+, PF5981+, PF5982+, PF6016+, > > PF6040+, PF6047+, PF6055+, PF6056+, PF6063+, PF6065+, PF6079+, PF6082+, > > PF6114+, PF6115+, PF6116+, PF6129+, PF6136+, PF6143+, PF6145+, PF6242+, > > PF6246+, PF6249+, PF6252+, PF6258+, PF6263+, PF6265+, PF6267+, PF6269+, > > PF626+, PF6271+, PF6272+, PF6399+, PF6409+, PF6410+, PF6419+, PF6429+, > > PF6430+, PF6432+, PF6434+, PF6435+, PF643+, PF6443+, PF6451+, PF6463+, > > PF6467+, PF6469+, PF6471+, PF6475+, PF6481+, PF6484+, PF6487+, PF6495+, > > PF6497+, PF6506+, PF6507+, PF6524+, PF6528+, PF653+, PF6541+, PF679+, > > PF733+, PF744+, PF825(+), PF834+, PF869+, PF948+, S11330(+), S1159+, > > S11638+, S116+, S12547(+), S128+, S138+, S145+, S1572+, S163(+), S193+, > > S1984(+), S19862(+), S1+, S2003+, S2017+, S20246+, S20315+, S26361+, > > S26903+, S349+, S351+, S3848+, S3+, S461+, S474+, S476+, S4888+, S4+, > > S6141+, S6149+, S6152+, S6155+, S629+, S634+, S635+, S6378+, S637+, > S640+, > > S641+, S642+, S645+, S651+, S652+, S653+, S655+, S656+, S658+, S659+, > S660+, > > S661+, S668+, S673+, S675+, S7072+, S7073+, S8235+, S8709+, S9158+, > S959+, > > SRY10831(+), V102+, V104+, V126+, V168+, V186+, V187+, V221+, V226+, > V231+, > > V241+, V29+, V41+, V52+, V9+, YSC0167+, YSC0186+, YSC0203+, YSC0227+, > > YSC1297+, Z1244+, Z2956+, Z2957+, Z2960+, Z2961+, Z2962+, Z2963+, Z2964+ > > > > I assume this will get to all the people who need it. I'm a member of the > > L21 project, Sons of Aodh, Irish DNA and others. > > > > Would someone mind telling me what to do with the raw data? I know many > > people have asked in the past but I'm a bit confused by it all. > > > > Also - should I now test for DF97 - and how? > > > > Regards > > Geoff Melloy > > FTDNA B3370 > > YSearch Q97F9 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Susan, I'm not sure what concerns there are regarding posting DNA samples from here are. I've never had any problems. Though the 23andme and FTDNA sample were probably by Fedex/DHL etc. My sample to FGC I sent by standard mail through "An Post" (national post service). Was asked in post office what it was said "DNA sample for testing" , no further questions asked, that was about 8-9months ago. -Paul (DF41+) On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Susan Hedeen <chantillycarpets@earthlink.net > wrote: > PS -- I'd contact Thomas at Y SEQ privately and explain the situation to > him and see what he suggests. I assume your concern is kit mailing and > return from Ireland. One alternative may be if you have a dedicated > Byrne et. al. coordinator or a fellow you work closely with in Ireland > to organize with him to have all the kits sent to him...after the guys > you want swab, then he can return them all to YSEQ...I understand that > there are some mailing considerations, but you probably are familiar > with all of that. I understand that UPS out of Ireland is what some > have been doing...that was a while back, though. Susan > > On 5/9/2014 12:14 PM, Susan Hedeen wrote: > > Paul, Jim Wilson (BISDNA -- aka Britains, Irelands, Scotlands et.al. > > DNA) release all the Chromo2 positions to Thomas Krahn of YSEQ; hence, > > Thomas can single SNP test for most to all of them under their S > > labels. Additionally he has the DF, FGC, and Z series SNPs applicable > > to M222 as well. > > > > BISDNA does no single SNP testing. Susan > > > > On 5/9/2014 12:02 PM, pabloburns@comcast.net wrote: > >> It should be much easier to get members to test for individual > >> SNPs, if I can assure them that they stand a good chance of being > >> positive for the recommended one. I can handle that, but which lab? > >> Does anyone have a list of who does what? I can look up FTDNA and > >> YSEQ, but what about BISDNA? Since most of Aian's chart consists of > >> "S" class SNPs, they obviously can test for most of interest. Do they > >> do individual SNP testing and, if so, at what cost? > >> The reason I ask is that many of my members live in Ireland or > >> the UK. If feasible, it seems to make sense to urge those members to > >> test with BISDNA, and Americans/Canadians with YSEQ. > >> Paul > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Linda, My kit (N113849 DePew) is negative for Z70. FTDNA had it corrected to R-M222 for about six days, then changed it back. I sent them another email asking them what was going on, but have received no response. I'm still listed as "Z70-" in my SNP list, however. I am also DF105+ and DF85-, if that helps you categorize me. Kyle On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 1:52 PM, McKee <ldm.127187@gmail.com> wrote: > 333192.......Coyne.....FGC4077/FGC4078 should be in that slot on the excel > but he is setting in the Member Subgrouping waiting to be moved by the > system. > ..................................Hopefully, the FTDNA "system" will make > the transfer sooner than later. > > ..................................one each McCourt mentioned by Iain is not > in the M222 Project but one is in the project at FGC4077/FGC4078. > > N113724.....FREW shows negative for DF85 > > DePew is showing as R-Z70 on the FTDNA member Personal Page..........was in > the DF105/S660/S659.......is this just part of the FTDNA work-in-process? > Where should he be on the excel? > > Please anyone still not in the proper slot on the excel for their current > SNP let me know. > > Thanks, > > Linda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It should be much easier to get members to test for individual SNPs, if I can assure them that they stand a good chance of being positive for the recommended one. I can handle that, but which lab? Does anyone have a list of who does what? I can look up FTDNA and YSEQ, but what about BISDNA? Since most of Aian's chart consists of "S" class SNPs, they obviously can test for most of interest. Do they do individual SNP testing and, if so, at what cost? The reason I ask is that many of my members live in Ireland or the UK. If feasible, it seems to make sense to urge those members to test with BISDNA, and Americans/Canadians with YSEQ. Paul

Iain, Gotcha! John On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > John, > > These are BigY discoveries and post-date Chromo2. They can all be > purchased at http://shop.yseq.net/. > > Iain > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 15:02:39 -0700 > > From: john.loughney@gmail.com > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] needing advice > > > > Iain, > > > > Ireland's / Scotland's DNA don't seem to be using the A223, etc. or > > FGC5929, etc. notations, as far as I can tell. > > > > John > > > > > > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com > >wrote: > > > > > John, > > > > > > I was responding to a question from Teresa there, so that advice isn't > > > applicable to you. > > > > > > If you want to explore further, you would need to test some of the new > > > branches under S660: > > > > > > A223/A224/A225 (all should be bought together) > > > FGC5939.2/A259/A260 (again, all should be bought together) > > > FGC4133 (so far only Milligans are positive for this but others could > be > > > too) > > > > > > This advice applies to anyone who has S660/S659 as their terminal SNP. > If > > > anyone is unclear what their terminal SNP is please shout out to avoid > > > buying the wrong thing. > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 14:08:28 -0700 > > > > From: john.loughney@gmail.com > > > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] needing advice > > > > > > > > Iain, > > > > > > > > You mention test as follows: > > > > > > > > round one: S660 > > > > round two: S588 if S660+. FGC4077 if S660-. > > > > > > > > It seems that I am negative for S588 and negative for FGC4077; there > are > > > a > > > > quite a few other markers and SNPs listed in my Chromo2 signature - > is it > > > > that S660 would be my terminal SNP, and nothing (yet) discovered > below it > > > > (besides S588 / FGC4077)? > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Iain Kennedy < > > > ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Teresa, the best option would be to take advantage of the YSEQ sale > > > which > > > > > should allow two rounds of testing before the price goes up (and > even > > > then > > > > > is cheaper than FTDNA), assuming one of your brothers is willing. A > > > > > strategy would be > > > > > round one: S660 > > > > > round two: S588 if S660+. FGC4077 if S660-. > > > > > > > > > > That will more or less nail it unless you are S588+ and then have > to > > > > > follow up for a third round. The growing picture as you may have > > > gathered > > > > > is a heavy concentration with S660 as their terminal SNP so > > > statistically > > > > > that is probably the most likely outcome and a third round wouldn't > > > then be > > > > > needed. > > > > > > > > > > I think Chromo2 is not such a good option in your case as you have > > > already > > > > > eliminated one major branch. > > > > > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: teresaheiland@hotmail.com > > > > > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 10:00:40 -0700 > > > > > > Subject: [R-M222] needing advice > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Iain, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm wondering if you could provide me with some guidance about > next > > > > > steps with ordering SNPs for my father's DNA. > > > > > > I know just enough about dna analysis to be "dangerous" to > myself. > > > LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > My dad's kit is > > > > > > 258368 at FTdna. He > > > (Leo > > > > > Heiland) just passed away, so I won't likely be able to do a Big Y > test > > > > > because FTdna says it likely will require additional saliva. > However, > > > my > > > > > brothers are living, so I could do the Big Y test at some point by > > > asking > > > > > one of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > His results so far is R-M222+, DF 85-. > > > > > > > > > > > > The M222 Project administrators at FtDNA suggested I ask you for > > > advice > > > > > on which other tests would be most beneficial to me to learn more > > > specific > > > > > details. They said that I need to look "up stream" of DF 85, > which I > > > > > understand in theory, but neither they or I know which tests to > explore > > > > > next. They encouraged me to ask you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you kindly provide me with some direction? I know you get > a > > > lot > > > > > of requests, so I understand if you are busy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Teresa Heiland > > > > > > (Daughter of an Irishman without an Irish name.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the > > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the > > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Iain, Ireland's / Scotland's DNA don't seem to be using the A223, etc. or FGC5929, etc. notations, as far as I can tell. John On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > John, > > I was responding to a question from Teresa there, so that advice isn't > applicable to you. > > If you want to explore further, you would need to test some of the new > branches under S660: > > A223/A224/A225 (all should be bought together) > FGC5939.2/A259/A260 (again, all should be bought together) > FGC4133 (so far only Milligans are positive for this but others could be > too) > > This advice applies to anyone who has S660/S659 as their terminal SNP. If > anyone is unclear what their terminal SNP is please shout out to avoid > buying the wrong thing. > > Iain > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 14:08:28 -0700 > > From: john.loughney@gmail.com > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] needing advice > > > > Iain, > > > > You mention test as follows: > > > > round one: S660 > > round two: S588 if S660+. FGC4077 if S660-. > > > > It seems that I am negative for S588 and negative for FGC4077; there are > a > > quite a few other markers and SNPs listed in my Chromo2 signature - is it > > that S660 would be my terminal SNP, and nothing (yet) discovered below it > > (besides S588 / FGC4077)? > > > > thanks, > > John > > > > > > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Iain Kennedy < > ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > > > Teresa, the best option would be to take advantage of the YSEQ sale > which > > > should allow two rounds of testing before the price goes up (and even > then > > > is cheaper than FTDNA), assuming one of your brothers is willing. A > > > strategy would be > > > round one: S660 > > > round two: S588 if S660+. FGC4077 if S660-. > > > > > > That will more or less nail it unless you are S588+ and then have to > > > follow up for a third round. The growing picture as you may have > gathered > > > is a heavy concentration with S660 as their terminal SNP so > statistically > > > that is probably the most likely outcome and a third round wouldn't > then be > > > needed. > > > > > > I think Chromo2 is not such a good option in your case as you have > already > > > eliminated one major branch. > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: teresaheiland@hotmail.com > > > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > > > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 10:00:40 -0700 > > > > Subject: [R-M222] needing advice > > > > > > > > Dear Iain, > > > > > > > > I'm wondering if you could provide me with some guidance about next > > > steps with ordering SNPs for my father's DNA. > > > > I know just enough about dna analysis to be "dangerous" to myself. > LOL. > > > > > > > > My dad's kit is > > > > 258368 at FTdna. He > (Leo > > > Heiland) just passed away, so I won't likely be able to do a Big Y test > > > because FTdna says it likely will require additional saliva. However, > my > > > brothers are living, so I could do the Big Y test at some point by > asking > > > one of them. > > > > > > > > His results so far is R-M222+, DF 85-. > > > > > > > > The M222 Project administrators at FtDNA suggested I ask you for > advice > > > on which other tests would be most beneficial to me to learn more > specific > > > details. They said that I need to look "up stream" of DF 85, which I > > > understand in theory, but neither they or I know which tests to explore > > > next. They encouraged me to ask you. > > > > > > > > Would you kindly provide me with some direction? I know you get a > lot > > > of requests, so I understand if you are busy. > > > > > > > > Teresa Heiland > > > > (Daughter of an Irishman without an Irish name.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Iain, You mention test as follows: round one: S660 round two: S588 if S660+. FGC4077 if S660-. It seems that I am negative for S588 and negative for FGC4077; there are a quite a few other markers and SNPs listed in my Chromo2 signature - is it that S660 would be my terminal SNP, and nothing (yet) discovered below it (besides S588 / FGC4077)? thanks, John On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > Teresa, the best option would be to take advantage of the YSEQ sale which > should allow two rounds of testing before the price goes up (and even then > is cheaper than FTDNA), assuming one of your brothers is willing. A > strategy would be > round one: S660 > round two: S588 if S660+. FGC4077 if S660-. > > That will more or less nail it unless you are S588+ and then have to > follow up for a third round. The growing picture as you may have gathered > is a heavy concentration with S660 as their terminal SNP so statistically > that is probably the most likely outcome and a third round wouldn't then be > needed. > > I think Chromo2 is not such a good option in your case as you have already > eliminated one major branch. > > Iain > > > > > > > From: teresaheiland@hotmail.com > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 10:00:40 -0700 > > Subject: [R-M222] needing advice > > > > Dear Iain, > > > > I'm wondering if you could provide me with some guidance about next > steps with ordering SNPs for my father's DNA. > > I know just enough about dna analysis to be "dangerous" to myself. LOL. > > > > My dad's kit is > > 258368 at FTdna. He (Leo > Heiland) just passed away, so I won't likely be able to do a Big Y test > because FTdna says it likely will require additional saliva. However, my > brothers are living, so I could do the Big Y test at some point by asking > one of them. > > > > His results so far is R-M222+, DF 85-. > > > > The M222 Project administrators at FtDNA suggested I ask you for advice > on which other tests would be most beneficial to me to learn more specific > details. They said that I need to look "up stream" of DF 85, which I > understand in theory, but neither they or I know which tests to explore > next. They encouraged me to ask you. > > > > Would you kindly provide me with some direction? I know you get a lot > of requests, so I understand if you are busy. > > > > Teresa Heiland > > (Daughter of an Irishman without an Irish name.) > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Teresa, I see that your tagline is, "Daughter of an Irishman without an Irish name" - are you of Irish "Palatine German" descent? If not, your name Heiland may be a variant spelling of the Laois name Hyland. http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm?fuseaction=surnamemap&Surname=hyland Cheers, Paul On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Teresa Heiland <teresaheiland@hotmail.com>wrote: > Dear Iain, > > I'm wondering if you could provide me with some guidance about next steps > with ordering SNPs for my father's DNA. > I know just enough about dna analysis to be "dangerous" to myself. LOL. > > My dad's kit is > 258368 at FTdna. He (Leo > Heiland) just passed away, so I won't likely be able to do a Big Y test > because FTdna says it likely will require additional saliva. However, my > brothers are living, so I could do the Big Y test at some point by asking > one of them. > > His results so far is R-M222+, DF 85-. > > The M222 Project administrators at FtDNA suggested I ask you for advice on > which other tests would be most beneficial to me to learn more specific > details. They said that I need to look "up stream" of DF 85, which I > understand in theory, but neither they or I know which tests to explore > next. They encouraged me to ask you. > > Would you kindly provide me with some direction? I know you get a lot of > requests, so I understand if you are busy. > > Teresa Heiland > (Daughter of an Irishman without an Irish name.) > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

333192.......Coyne.....FGC4077/FGC4078 should be in that slot on the excel but he is setting in the Member Subgrouping waiting to be moved by the system. ..................................Hopefully, the FTDNA "system" will make the transfer sooner than later. ..................................one each McCourt mentioned by Iain is not in the M222 Project but one is in the project at FGC4077/FGC4078. N113724.....FREW shows negative for DF85 DePew is showing as R-Z70 on the FTDNA member Personal Page..........was in the DF105/S660/S659.......is this just part of the FTDNA work-in-process? Where should he be on the excel? Please anyone still not in the proper slot on the excel for their current SNP let me know. Thanks, Linda

John, thanks for letting us know your genetic signature and sharing a link to the raw file - don't forget that all these emails go onto the Internet rootsweb archive which anyone on the Internet can read though >I give people on the list > permission to access the data, but please inform me if you share it with > anyone else. The archiving is efficient enough to usually beat the email delivery and your post is already there ;-) Iain > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 06:08:34 -0700 > From: john.loughney@gmail.com > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: [R-M222] My chromo 2 results came back from Scotland's DNA > > Hi all, > > Just got the word back from Scotland's DNA. I give people on the list > permission to access the data, but please inform me if you share it with > anyone else. > > For the record, my FTDNA kit number is 218512. > > Loughney is derived from O'Lachtna, who were cheiftans of the Two Backs > (from Lough Conn to the River Moy), Glen Nephin and Beaudach (area > surounding Crossmolina). Lachtna's father would have been Fear Bhisigh mac > Domhnaill Óig, and he was said to be brother to Amhlaoibh Mór mac Fir > Bhisigh in the 11th century. > > I uploaded my results here: > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_tdjuFX_wj4em9nUnd3TTNxUGc/edit?usp=sharing > > They list me as: Ancient Irish R1b-M222; R1b-S660 > > My genetic signature is: > > CTS10149+, CTS11150+, CTS11468+, CTS11575+, CTS11948+, CTS11991+, > CTS12057+, CTS12633+, CTS12773+, CTS1738+, CTS2134+, CTS2254+, CTS2480+, > CTS2569+, CTS2664+, CTS3229+, CTS3315+, CTS3316+, CTS3358+, CTS3654+, > CTS3818+, CTS3844+, CTS4293+, CTS4437+, CTS4740+, CTS4944+, CTS5139(+), > CTS5248+, CTS543+, CTS6327+, CTS6376+, CTS6383+, CTS6445+, CTS7301+, > CTS7604+, CTS7659+, CTS7922+, CTS7941+, CTS8221+, CTS8627+, CTS8728+, > CTS9200+, CTS9556+, CTS9760+, F1794+, L1002+, L1013+, L1053+, L1084+, > L1098+, L1105+, L1118+, L1123+, L1129+, L1130+, L1137+, L1143+, L1145+, > L1150+, L1179+, L1220+, L132+, L1345+, L1350+, L1352+, L265+, L278+, L320+, > L352+, L438+, L440+, L468+, L470+, L479+, L498+, L508+, L543+, L58+, L604+, > L741+, L752+, L757+, L768+, L773+, L822+, L82+, L875+, L882+, L969+, M213+, > M235+, M294+, M299+, M415+, M42+, M523+, M526+, M74+, P128+, P131+, P135+, > P139+, P140+, P141+, P142+, P143+, P151+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P163+, > P224+, P225+, P226+, P229+, P230+, P232+, P233+, P234+, P236+, P239+, > P242+, P244+, P245+, P280+, P282+, P284+, P285+, P294+, P295+, P297+, > P305+, P310+, PAGE081+, PAGE083+, PF1030+, PF1067+, PF1081+, PF1252+, > PF1253+, PF1416+, PF1695+, PF1911+, PF256+, PF2590+, PF2592+, PF2615+, > PF2617+, PF2619+, PF2621+, PF2622+, PF2624+, PF2626+, PF2629+, PF2640+, > PF2651+, PF2653+, PF2655+, PF2658+, PF2660+, PF2677+, PF2679+, PF2683+, > PF2684+, PF2685+, PF2688+, PF2690+, PF2700+, PF2702+, PF2704+, PF2709+, > PF2716+, PF2718+, PF2722+, PF2734+, PF2736+, PF2737+, PF2739+, PF2742+, > PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2760+, PF2762+, PF2775+, PF3495+, PF3500+, PF5459+, > PF5461+, PF5480+, PF5495+, PF5857+, PF5861+, PF5865+, PF5869+, PF5870+, > PF5872+, PF5873+, PF5885+, PF5887+, PF5893+, PF5898+, PF5908+, PF5912+, > PF5914+, PF5917+, PF5918+, PF5923+, PF5927+, PF5936+, PF5940+, PF5941+, > PF5945+, PF5949+, PF5953+, PF5957+, PF5958+, PF5964+, PF5966+, PF5977+, > PF5980+, PF5981+, PF5982+, PF6016+, PF6040+, PF6047+, PF6055+, PF6056+, > PF6063+, PF6065+, PF6079+, PF6082+, PF6114+, PF6115+, PF6116+, PF6129+, > PF6136+, PF6143+, PF6145+, PF6242+, PF6246+, PF6249+, PF6252+, PF6258+, > PF6263+, PF6265+, PF6267+, PF6269+, PF626+, PF6271+, PF6272+, PF6399+, > PF6409+, PF6410+, PF6419+, PF6429+, PF6430+, PF6432+, PF6434+, PF6435+, > PF643+, PF6443+, PF6451+, PF6463+, PF6467+, PF6469+, PF6471+, PF6475+, > PF6481+, PF6484+, PF6487+, PF6495+, PF6497+, PF6506+, PF6507+, PF6524+, > PF6528+, PF653+, PF6541+, PF679+, PF733+, PF744+, PF825(+), PF834+, PF869+, > PF948+, S11330(+), S1159+, S11638+, S116+, S12547(+), S128+, S138+, S145+, > S1572+, S163(+), S193+, S1984(+), S19862(+), S1+, S2003+, S2017+, S20246+, > S20315+, S26361+, S26903+, S349+, S351+, S3848+, S3+, S461+, S474+, S476+, > S4888+, S4+, S6141+, S6149+, S6152+, S6155+, S629+, S634+, S635+, S6378+, > S637+, S640+, S641+, S642+, S645+, S651+, S652+, S653+, S655+, S656+, > S658+, S659+, S660+, S661+, S7072+, S7073+, S8235+, S8709+, S9158+, S959+, > SRY10831(+), V102+, V104+, V126+, V168+, V186+, V187+, V221+, V226+, V231+, > V241+, V29+, V41+, V52+, V9+, YSC0167+, YSC0186+, YSC0203+, YSC0227+, > YSC1297+, Z1244+, Z2956+, Z2957+, Z2960+, Z2961+, Z2962+, Z2963+, Z2964+ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for posting your results. About the raw data, please download the file and send out copies exactly as it is presented on the download page, please try to avoid re-saving it in Excel, Word etc. If you ordered the Raw product there should be a button to download it. I'd like a copy and so would Susan and Mike etc. Many thanks Iain > From: mg_melloy@hotmail.com > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 20:48:37 +1000 > CC: elainedarling@flexinet.com.au; caroldyer41@hotmail.com; jmelloy@gil.com.au; Lyn.Kally@gmail.com; anoccasion@gmail.com > Subject: [R-M222] Geoff Melloy Chromo 2 > > Hi all, > > I was pleasantly surprised a few minutes ago to receive notification of my > Chromo 2 results - earlier than expected. > > My subtype is R1b-S668, and my genetic signature is as follows: > > CTS10149+, CTS11150+, CTS11468+, CTS11575+, CTS11948+, CTS11991+, CTS12057+, > CTS12633+, CTS12773+, CTS1738+, CTS2134+, CTS2254+, CTS2480+, CTS2569+, > CTS2664+, CTS3229+, CTS3315+, CTS3316+, CTS3358+, CTS3654+, CTS3818+, > CTS3844+, CTS4293+, CTS4437+, CTS4740+, CTS4944+, CTS5139(+), CTS5248+, > CTS543+, CTS6327+, CTS6376+, CTS6383+, CTS6445+, CTS7301+, CTS7604+, > CTS7659+, CTS7922+, CTS7941+, CTS8221+, CTS8627+, CTS8728+, CTS9200+, > CTS9556+, CTS9760+, F1794+, L1002+, L1013+, L1053+, L1084+, L1098+, L1105+, > L1118+, L1123+, L1129+, L1130+, L1137+, L1143+, L1145+, L1150+, L1179+, > L1220+, L132+, L1345+, L1350+, L1352+, L265+, L278+, L320+, L352+, L438+, > L440+, L468+, L470+, L479+, L498+, L508+, L543+, L58+, L604+, L741+, L752+, > L757+, L768+, L773+, L822+, L82+, L875+, L882+, L969+, M213+, M235+, M294+, > M299+, M415+, M42+, M523+, M526+, M74+, P128+, P131+, P135+, P139+, P140+, > P141+, P142+, P143+, P151+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P163+, P224+, P225+, P226+, > P229+, P230+, P232+, P233+, P234+, P236+, P239+, P242+, P244+, P245+, P280+, > P282+, P284+, P285+, P294+, P295+, P297+, P305+, P310+, PAGE081+, PAGE083+, > PF1030+, PF1067+, PF1081+, PF1252+, PF1253+, PF1416+, PF1695+, PF1911+, > PF256+, PF2590+, PF2592+, PF2615+, PF2617+, PF2619+, PF2621+, PF2622+, > PF2624+, PF2626+, PF2629+, PF2640+, PF2651+, PF2653+, PF2655+, PF2658+, > PF2660+, PF2677+, PF2679+, PF2683+, PF2684+, PF2685+, PF2688+, PF2690+, > PF2700+, PF2702+, PF2704+, PF2709+, PF2716+, PF2718+, PF2722+, PF2734+, > PF2736+, PF2737+, PF2739+, PF2742+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2760+, PF2762+, > PF2775+, PF3495+, PF3500+, PF5459+, PF5461+, PF5480+, PF5495+, PF5857+, > PF5861+, PF5865+, PF5869+, PF5870+, PF5872+, PF5873+, PF5885+, PF5887+, > PF5893+, PF5898+, PF5908+, PF5912+, PF5914+, PF5917+, PF5918+, PF5923+, > PF5927+, PF5936+, PF5940+, PF5941+, PF5945+, PF5949+, PF5953+, PF5957+, > PF5958+, PF5964+, PF5966+, PF5977+, PF5980+, PF5981+, PF5982+, PF6016+, > PF6040+, PF6047+, PF6055+, PF6056+, PF6063+, PF6065+, PF6079+, PF6082+, > PF6114+, PF6115+, PF6116+, PF6129+, PF6136+, PF6143+, PF6145+, PF6242+, > PF6246+, PF6249+, PF6252+, PF6258+, PF6263+, PF6265+, PF6267+, PF6269+, > PF626+, PF6271+, PF6272+, PF6399+, PF6409+, PF6410+, PF6419+, PF6429+, > PF6430+, PF6432+, PF6434+, PF6435+, PF643+, PF6443+, PF6451+, PF6463+, > PF6467+, PF6469+, PF6471+, PF6475+, PF6481+, PF6484+, PF6487+, PF6495+, > PF6497+, PF6506+, PF6507+, PF6524+, PF6528+, PF653+, PF6541+, PF679+, > PF733+, PF744+, PF825(+), PF834+, PF869+, PF948+, S11330(+), S1159+, > S11638+, S116+, S12547(+), S128+, S138+, S145+, S1572+, S163(+), S193+, > S1984(+), S19862(+), S1+, S2003+, S2017+, S20246+, S20315+, S26361+, > S26903+, S349+, S351+, S3848+, S3+, S461+, S474+, S476+, S4888+, S4+, > S6141+, S6149+, S6152+, S6155+, S629+, S634+, S635+, S6378+, S637+, S640+, > S641+, S642+, S645+, S651+, S652+, S653+, S655+, S656+, S658+, S659+, S660+, > S661+, S668+, S673+, S675+, S7072+, S7073+, S8235+, S8709+, S9158+, S959+, > SRY10831(+), V102+, V104+, V126+, V168+, V186+, V187+, V221+, V226+, V231+, > V241+, V29+, V41+, V52+, V9+, YSC0167+, YSC0186+, YSC0203+, YSC0227+, > YSC1297+, Z1244+, Z2956+, Z2957+, Z2960+, Z2961+, Z2962+, Z2963+, Z2964+ > > I assume this will get to all the people who need it. I'm a member of the > L21 project, Sons of Aodh, Irish DNA and others. > > Would someone mind telling me what to do with the raw data? I know many > people have asked in the past but I'm a bit confused by it all. > > Also - should I now test for DF97 - and how? > > Regards > Geoff Melloy > FTDNA B3370 > YSearch Q97F9 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paul is correct. This is beautiful to see a much fuller tree for M222. Thanks for your work, Iain. I was looking through my notes and had FGC4087 mentioned. What's the status of FGC4087? Mike W On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > I added the new S660 branches to the latest Wilson tree so that is more or > less there now. > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222_tree.png > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 12:39:41 +0100 > > From: pduffy81@gmail.com > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Tree update > > > > Iain, > > > > Great tree as always, any chance of an update on the SNP only tree at > some > > stage: > > www.kennedydna.com/M222_tree.png > > > > Useful reference for SNP order etc. > > > > -Paul > > (DF41+) > > > > > > On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Iain Kennedy < > ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > > > Somehow I missed Oliver Byrne 236891 who is S660/S659 on Chromo2 so I > have > > > added him, with apologies. > > > > > > Is S660 going to overtake DF97?! > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com > > > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > > > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 18:29:20 +0000 > > > > Subject: [R-M222] Tree update > > > > > > > > The latest version of the tree shows > > > > > > > > Steve Lominac has moved under FGC4087 > > > > Patrick J Byrnes #42289 has reported S590 from Chromo2 > > > > Male Kennedy (no STRs) is confirmed FGC4077- S661+ S588- DF85-. > > > > > > > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

PS -- I'd contact Thomas at Y SEQ privately and explain the situation to him and see what he suggests. I assume your concern is kit mailing and return from Ireland. One alternative may be if you have a dedicated Byrne et. al. coordinator or a fellow you work closely with in Ireland to organize with him to have all the kits sent to him...after the guys you want swab, then he can return them all to YSEQ...I understand that there are some mailing considerations, but you probably are familiar with all of that. I understand that UPS out of Ireland is what some have been doing...that was a while back, though. Susan On 5/9/2014 12:14 PM, Susan Hedeen wrote: > Paul, Jim Wilson (BISDNA -- aka Britains, Irelands, Scotlands et.al. > DNA) release all the Chromo2 positions to Thomas Krahn of YSEQ; hence, > Thomas can single SNP test for most to all of them under their S > labels. Additionally he has the DF, FGC, and Z series SNPs applicable > to M222 as well. > > BISDNA does no single SNP testing. Susan > > On 5/9/2014 12:02 PM, pabloburns@comcast.net wrote: >> It should be much easier to get members to test for individual >> SNPs, if I can assure them that they stand a good chance of being >> positive for the recommended one. I can handle that, but which lab? >> Does anyone have a list of who does what? I can look up FTDNA and >> YSEQ, but what about BISDNA? Since most of Aian's chart consists of >> "S" class SNPs, they obviously can test for most of interest. Do they >> do individual SNP testing and, if so, at what cost? >> The reason I ask is that many of my members live in Ireland or >> the UK. If feasible, it seems to make sense to urge those members to >> test with BISDNA, and Americans/Canadians with YSEQ. >> Paul >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >

Paul, Jim Wilson (BISDNA -- aka Britains, Irelands, Scotlands et.al. DNA) release all the Chromo2 positions to Thomas Krahn of YSEQ; hence, Thomas can single SNP test for most to all of them under their S labels. Additionally he has the DF, FGC, and Z series SNPs applicable to M222 as well. BISDNA does no single SNP testing. Susan On 5/9/2014 12:02 PM, pabloburns@comcast.net wrote: > It should be much easier to get members to test for individual SNPs, if I can assure them that they stand a good chance of being positive for the recommended one. I can handle that, but which lab? Does anyone have a list of who does what? I can look up FTDNA and YSEQ, but what about BISDNA? Since most of Aian's chart consists of "S" class SNPs, they obviously can test for most of interest. Do they do individual SNP testing and, if so, at what cost? > The reason I ask is that many of my members live in Ireland or the UK. If feasible, it seems to make sense to urge those members to test with BISDNA, and Americans/Canadians with YSEQ. > Paul > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >