Hi Mike, The odd thing is that gravity remains a theory which has never been proven. You know it, I know it and everybody else knows it, but scientifically it remains only a theory. It seems that now could be the time to let the new genetics "Next Generation" SNP testing have a rest, to have a shake-down over time. Yeah, that could take some time, but eventually the genetic testing companies will need to come to common terms which will be applicable to all. On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Mike W <mwwdna@gmail.com> wrote: > Doug, > > I don't know if you've seen that DF49xM222 project admins submitted some > new SNPs to FTDNA that are now being offered by them a la carte. The irony > is that the project admins didn't even submit them to ISOGG's Ybrowse yet > and went ahead with their "ZP" series labeling. (I think one of the guys is > named Peter but I'm not sure where the "P" comes from.) Anyway, FTDNA > adopted those labels. The irony is a few months ago people thought FTDNA > would confuse things more by creating a new labeling system for SNPs. > Instead, they got out of the labeling business and are using whatever is > out there include the hobbyist "DF", "Z" labeling, FGC's "FGC" labeling and > even BISDNA's "S" labeling. Ultimately they have become most supportive of > interoperability and are the most agnostic. > > I'm not saying FTDNA doesn't have warts though. They clearly do. Believe > me, I feel the pain as an admin. > > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 8:39 PM, tuulen <tuulen@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi David and All, > > > > And so could this be a good time for all of us to stand up, to scream and > > shout and to DEMAND that a "universal" genetic code become employed? > > > > That is, a genetic terminology, language or code of test results which > > could be equally applicable between all such genetic testing agencies? > > > > That actually could be of good use to the testing companies as perhaps > > their clients could then have fewer doubts or questions. > > > > Yeah, this is only the M222 board and we are only the little guys, but > that > > kind of proposal could begin here. > > > > Doug Morrison > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 6:00 PM, David Wilson <dcw1000@live.com> wrote: > > > > > Let me correct this once again. FGC449, AKA S7072, is equivalent to > M222, > > > not S7073. I had forgotten that there is one Chromo2 tester who is > > derived > > > for > > > S7072 but ancestral for S7073. > > > > > > Thanks to David Maclennan for questioning me on this. Good catch. > > > > > > David Wilson > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Wilson > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 7:00 AM > > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] FGC449 (corrected subject) > > > > > > Sorry for the bad subject in the preceding post. At least I called the > > SNP > > > by the right name in the text! > > > > > > David > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Wilson > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 6:54 AM > > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [R-M222] DF449 > > > > > > FGC449 is synonymous with S7072 (position 8157356) and, in our current > > > knowledge, equivalent to S7073. Maybe we can divide them eventually and > > > maybe not, but if we can it will probably take many more FG and Big Y > > tests > > > to find the evidence that will split them. > > > > > > > > > > > > David Wilson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi David and All, And so could this be a good time for all of us to stand up, to scream and shout and to DEMAND that a "universal" genetic code become employed? That is, a genetic terminology, language or code of test results which could be equally applicable between all such genetic testing agencies? That actually could be of good use to the testing companies as perhaps their clients could then have fewer doubts or questions. Yeah, this is only the M222 board and we are only the little guys, but that kind of proposal could begin here. Doug Morrison On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 6:00 PM, David Wilson <dcw1000@live.com> wrote: > Let me correct this once again. FGC449, AKA S7072, is equivalent to M222, > not S7073. I had forgotten that there is one Chromo2 tester who is derived > for > S7072 but ancestral for S7073. > > Thanks to David Maclennan for questioning me on this. Good catch. > > David Wilson > > -----Original Message----- > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Wilson > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 7:00 AM > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] FGC449 (corrected subject) > > Sorry for the bad subject in the preceding post. At least I called the SNP > by the right name in the text! > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Wilson > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 6:54 AM > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: [R-M222] DF449 > > FGC449 is synonymous with S7072 (position 8157356) and, in our current > knowledge, equivalent to S7073. Maybe we can divide them eventually and > maybe not, but if we can it will probably take many more FG and Big Y tests > to find the evidence that will split them. > > > > David Wilson > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Doug, I don't know if you've seen that DF49xM222 project admins submitted some new SNPs to FTDNA that are now being offered by them a la carte. The irony is that the project admins didn't even submit them to ISOGG's Ybrowse yet and went ahead with their "ZP" series labeling. (I think one of the guys is named Peter but I'm not sure where the "P" comes from.) Anyway, FTDNA adopted those labels. The irony is a few months ago people thought FTDNA would confuse things more by creating a new labeling system for SNPs. Instead, they got out of the labeling business and are using whatever is out there include the hobbyist "DF", "Z" labeling, FGC's "FGC" labeling and even BISDNA's "S" labeling. Ultimately they have become most supportive of interoperability and are the most agnostic. I'm not saying FTDNA doesn't have warts though. They clearly do. Believe me, I feel the pain as an admin. On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 8:39 PM, tuulen <tuulen@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi David and All, > > And so could this be a good time for all of us to stand up, to scream and > shout and to DEMAND that a "universal" genetic code become employed? > > That is, a genetic terminology, language or code of test results which > could be equally applicable between all such genetic testing agencies? > > That actually could be of good use to the testing companies as perhaps > their clients could then have fewer doubts or questions. > > Yeah, this is only the M222 board and we are only the little guys, but that > kind of proposal could begin here. > > Doug Morrison > > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 6:00 PM, David Wilson <dcw1000@live.com> wrote: > > > Let me correct this once again. FGC449, AKA S7072, is equivalent to M222, > > not S7073. I had forgotten that there is one Chromo2 tester who is > derived > > for > > S7072 but ancestral for S7073. > > > > Thanks to David Maclennan for questioning me on this. Good catch. > > > > David Wilson > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Wilson > > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 7:00 AM > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] FGC449 (corrected subject) > > > > Sorry for the bad subject in the preceding post. At least I called the > SNP > > by the right name in the text! > > > > David > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Wilson > > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 6:54 AM > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [R-M222] DF449 > > > > FGC449 is synonymous with S7072 (position 8157356) and, in our current > > knowledge, equivalent to S7073. Maybe we can divide them eventually and > > maybe not, but if we can it will probably take many more FG and Big Y > tests > > to find the evidence that will split them. > > > > > > > > David Wilson > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I just got results back from YSEQ that I'm A259+ A260+, and have ordered FGC5939.2. Kyle DePew FTDNA Kit N113849 YSEQ ID 638

Let me correct this once again. FGC449, AKA S7072, is equivalent to M222, not S7073. I had forgotten that there is one Chromo2 tester who is derived for S7072 but ancestral for S7073. Thanks to David Maclennan for questioning me on this. Good catch. David Wilson -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Wilson Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 7:00 AM To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] FGC449 (corrected subject) Sorry for the bad subject in the preceding post. At least I called the SNP by the right name in the text! David -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Wilson Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 6:54 AM To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: [R-M222] DF449 FGC449 is synonymous with S7072 (position 8157356) and, in our current knowledge, equivalent to S7073. Maybe we can divide them eventually and maybe not, but if we can it will probably take many more FG and Big Y tests to find the evidence that will split them. David Wilson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi David and Mike, My surname is Morrison and I have already given you my 111, Deep Clade and Big Y test results. Then I handed my latest Big Y discount coupon over to Edwin Holcombe who is the Administrator of the Morrison FTDNA project and who is the Secretary of the Morrison Society of North America. This goes to the root of genetic division, as apparently I could be either Irish or Scottish. For instance, I also am included on the Doherty FTDNA project due to close genetic linkage and to known historical linkages spanning several hundred years between the Doherty and Morrison families of eastern Donegal, Ireland, and yet there is a possibility that the Doherty family itself might originally have been Scottish. Oh, we of the M222 group are of such terrifically tangled genetic heritage!!! Best, Doug On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 10:50 AM, David Wilson <dcw1000@live.com> wrote: > I would like to reinforce Mike's request. If any members of this list have > received a coupon code for a Big Y discount and will not be using it, > please > consider posting the code here so that others can make use of it if they > are > so inclined. The more Big Y tests within R-M222 we can get, the more > refined > the tree will be. > > There is a clock ticking on this, so please post any code you will not be > using yourself either today or tomorrow in order to make sure it doesn't go > to waste. > > David Wilson > > -----Original Message----- > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike W > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 5:45 AM > To: M222 Rootsweb; M222 Rootsweb > Subject: Re: [R-M222] FTDNA Discount Coupon > > We still have some outstanding requests for M222 Big Y coupons. You can > also > just post the code here for other M222ers, if you have one and you are not > using it, here and whoever gets it, gets it; first come, first serve. > The coupons expire on June 17th anyway so please give folks a chance to see > it and go ahead and order. > > Regards, > Mike W > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I would like to reinforce Mike's request. If any members of this list have received a coupon code for a Big Y discount and will not be using it, please consider posting the code here so that others can make use of it if they are so inclined. The more Big Y tests within R-M222 we can get, the more refined the tree will be. There is a clock ticking on this, so please post any code you will not be using yourself either today or tomorrow in order to make sure it doesn't go to waste. David Wilson -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike W Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 5:45 AM To: M222 Rootsweb; M222 Rootsweb Subject: Re: [R-M222] FTDNA Discount Coupon We still have some outstanding requests for M222 Big Y coupons. You can also just post the code here for other M222ers, if you have one and you are not using it, here and whoever gets it, gets it; first come, first serve. The coupons expire on June 17th anyway so please give folks a chance to see it and go ahead and order. Regards, Mike W ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We still have some outstanding requests for M222 Big Y coupons. You can also just post the code here for other M222ers, if you have one and you are not using it, here and whoever gets it, gets it; first come, first serve. The coupons expire on June 17th anyway so please give folks a chance to see it and go ahead and order. On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Mike W <mwwdna@gmail.com> wrote: > > An M222+ guy has asked me for a coupon code. If you are willing to donate > yours, please email me your coupon code email and I'lll forward it to him > and carbon copy you (unless you want to remain anonymous.) > > Regards, > Mike W >

Coupon codes are not supposed to work more than once but so far those who have tried this one said it does. FDS140997 It comes from a consulting partner of FTDNA so maybe she has a special code. All I know is that if you know for sure you want to order I'd jump on it. On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 3:56 PM, SLW early7t7@yahoo.com [R1b-L21-Project] < R1b-L21-Project@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Hello all, > > I have just been reading all the news about the Big Y Father's Day offer > from FTDNA. > > If anyone has a discount coupon that is going to go-to-waste, then please > could you send it to me because I will most certainly use it! > > If in the event that I get too many, I will then post them for others to > utilise. > > Many thanks. > Stephen. > B3060. > 11 June 2014. > > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------ > Posted by: SLW <early7t7@yahoo.com> > ------------------------------ > Reply via web post > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/R1b-L21-Project/conversations/messages/23251;_ylc=X3oDMTJya2pmdHI2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMwMTAwMDE2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE4Nzk4MgRtc2dJZAMyMzI1MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE0MDI1MjAxNjM-?act=reply&messageNum=23251> > • Reply to sender > <early7t7@yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Big%20Y-DNA%20Coupon%20Request%20%7E%20Please%21> > • Reply to group > <R1b-L21-Project@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Big%20Y-DNA%20Coupon%20Request%20%7E%20Please%21> > • Start a New Topic > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/R1b-L21-Project/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJmYnJlbXZ2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMwMTAwMDE2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE4Nzk4MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0MDI1MjAxNjM-> > • Messages in this topic > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/R1b-L21-Project/conversations/topics/23251;_ylc=X3oDMTM3bHFrbjg2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMwMTAwMDE2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE4Nzk4MgRtc2dJZAMyMzI1MQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0MDI1MjAxNjMEdHBjSWQDMjMyNTE-> > (1) > Please remove extraneous text when replying. > Visit Your Group > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/R1b-L21-Project/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMzkxM3JvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMwMTAwMDE2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE4Nzk4MgRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0MDI1MjAxNjM-> > > - New Members > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/R1b-L21-Project/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJncW41Y2dqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMwMTAwMDE2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE4Nzk4MgRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxNDAyNTIwMTYz> > 4 > > [image: Yahoo! Groups] > <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMG43ODR2BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzMwMTAwMDE2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE4Nzk4MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTQwMjUyMDE2Mw--> > • Privacy <https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html> • > Unsubscribe > <R1b-L21-Project-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> • Terms > of Use <https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/> > > . > > __,_._,___ >

Hello all, I have just been reading all the news about the Big Y Father's Day offer from FTDNA. If anyone has a discount coupon that is going to go-to-waste, then please could you send it to me because I will most certainly use it! If in the event that I get too many, I will then post them for others to utilise. Many thanks. Stephen. B3060. 11 June 2014.

An M222+ guy has asked me for a coupon code. If you are willing to donate yours, please email me your coupon code email and I'lll forward it to him and carbon copy you (unless you want to remain anonymous.) Regards, Mike W

Linda, Thanks - just trying to pitch in wherever I can... Cheers, Paul On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 5:16 AM, McKee <ldm.127187@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Paul, > > Great news that you have taken this new breakaway project in hand. > > Best of luck and thanks very much. > > Linda > > > From: pconroy63@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 01:44:11 -0400 > Subject: M222 - PF1169 - new SNP's on YSEQ > To: DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com > CC: pconroy63@gmail.com; ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com; lasm4mckee@hughes.net > ; > dcw1000@live.com; mwwdna@gmail.com > > Hi All, > I've been working with YSEQ for the last few days to try and make my best > Private SNP's available on YSEQ for purchase. Of the 23 I submitted, they > selected the most promising 7, and now offer them for testing. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear David, How do you interpret the case of #1798 in the anonymized Chromo 2 file who is GG for S7072, like all other M222 people, but is AA for S7073, whereas all other M222s are AG? David >FGC449 is synonymous with S7072 (position 8157356) and, in our current >knowledge, equivalent to S7073. Maybe we can divide them eventually and >maybe not, but if we can it will probably take many more FG and Big Y >tests >to find the evidence that will split them. > > > >David Wilson > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Chromo2 has me as M222>S588>S7814. Does anyone have a Big Y discount coupon that he has no use for? If I can get my cost down to $495, I will go for it. Paul Burns

Correction: I used an out dated modal. I picked off a newer one from the R-M222 project and instead find following. Sorry for the confusion, Colin Williams and myself known to be A223/4/5 positive share five off modal markers in the 111 set. They are listed below with frequency of occurrence in the M222+ set of 280 111 marker haplotypes in Mike's spreadsheet R1b-L21_Haplotypes_Ext.xlsm DYS607=15 (28) DYS534=17 (34) DYS710=33 (26) DYS462=12 (10) DYS532=14 (31) DYS587=19 (7) These two kits share the two lowest frequency of occurrence markers; DYS587=19 and DYS462=12 (4) f89028 Cowan f30896 McCord

Doug, The key thing to understand is that all of us are in a sub-branch of our headline SNP (S660 in your case), its just that some of us don't have anyone else in it. If there is no-one in it except you, I don't put them on the tree diagram. Iain > Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 16:34:31 -0400 > From: tuulen@gmail.com > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Tree update > > Iain, > > I was surprised to discover that Degnen and I, both of the S660 group, have > an African Aborigine SNP marker, according to Big Y, albeit quite ancient. > > And although I tested DF85- (negative), I am wondering if I could be of any > other sub-branch or downstream branch of S660. > > Otherwise I am willing to play the waiting game. Thank goodness for the > Internet, but that is how this game gets played. > > Doug > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > Doug, you are already known to be negative (ancestral) for the three new > > sub-branches of S660 from inspection of your BAM file. You are in a waiting > > game for someone else to come along and match you. Unless you want to > > splash out for the more expensive FullGenomes test but that won't find you > > new matches, more it would potentially add to your list of private SNPs. > > That would be a decision that needs careful weighing up to ensure you > > understood what you would and wouldn't get out of it. > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 14:55:23 -0400 > > > From: tuulen@gmail.com > > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Tree update > > > > > > I am in the S660 group, according to Big Y, but where could I go for > > > further genetic refinement? At FTDNA I have already tested as DF85- > > > (negative). > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:43 AM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I think I have added all the results I was made aware of yesterday now. > > > > > > > > Paul McIlveen A223/4/5 (YSEQ) [also confirmed A259-, A260-] > > > > Steve Ewing S603 (YSEQ) > > > > J. McKown S603 (Chromo2) > > > > Ken Beirne FGC4077 (YSEQ) > > > > > > > > All interesting of course and congratulations, I hope if anyone in > > S660* > > > > has deferred followup testing this will encourage them to proceed as > > the > > > > sub-branching is quite fascinating... > > > > > > > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry for the bad subject in the preceding post. At least I called the SNP by the right name in the test! David -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Wilson Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 6:54 AM To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: [R-M222] DF449 FGC449 is synonymous with S7072 (position 8157356) and, in our current knowledge, equivalent to S7073. Maybe we can divide them eventually and maybe not, but if we can it will probably take many more FG and Big Y tests to find the evidence that will split them. David Wilson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

FGC449 is synonymous with S7072 (position 8157356) and, in our current knowledge, equivalent to S7073. Maybe we can divide them eventually and maybe not, but if we can it will probably take many more FG and Big Y tests to find the evidence that will split them. David Wilson

Iain, OK, given the fact that genetic mutations can occur, I am not going to expect too much. Hey, I made it into the M222 group and then got into the S660 group. Good enough! Doug On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com> wrote: > Doug, > > The key thing to understand is that all of us are in a sub-branch of our > headline SNP (S660 in your case), its just that some of us don't have > anyone else in it. If there is no-one in it except you, I don't put them on > the tree diagram. > > Iain > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 16:34:31 -0400 > > From: tuulen@gmail.com > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Tree update > > > > Iain, > > > > I was surprised to discover that Degnen and I, both of the S660 group, > have > > an African Aborigine SNP marker, according to Big Y, albeit quite > ancient. > > > > And although I tested DF85- (negative), I am wondering if I could be of > any > > other sub-branch or downstream branch of S660. > > > > Otherwise I am willing to play the waiting game. Thank goodness for the > > Internet, but that is how this game gets played. > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > > > Doug, you are already known to be negative (ancestral) for the three > new > > > sub-branches of S660 from inspection of your BAM file. You are in a > waiting > > > game for someone else to come along and match you. Unless you want to > > > splash out for the more expensive FullGenomes test but that won't find > you > > > new matches, more it would potentially add to your list of private > SNPs. > > > That would be a decision that needs careful weighing up to ensure you > > > understood what you would and wouldn't get out of it. > > > > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 14:55:23 -0400 > > > > From: tuulen@gmail.com > > > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Tree update > > > > > > > > I am in the S660 group, according to Big Y, but where could I go for > > > > further genetic refinement? At FTDNA I have already tested as DF85- > > > > (negative). > > > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:43 AM, Iain Kennedy < > ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I think I have added all the results I was made aware of yesterday > now. > > > > > > > > > > Paul McIlveen A223/4/5 (YSEQ) [also confirmed A259-, A260-] > > > > > Steve Ewing S603 (YSEQ) > > > > > J. McKown S603 (Chromo2) > > > > > Ken Beirne FGC4077 (YSEQ) > > > > > > > > > > All interesting of course and congratulations, I hope if anyone in > > > S660* > > > > > has deferred followup testing this will encourage them to proceed > as > > > the > > > > > sub-branching is quite fascinating... > > > > > > > > > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > > > > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the > > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Paul, Great news that you have taken this new breakaway project in hand. Best of luck and thanks very much. Linda From: pconroy63@gmail.com Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 01:44:11 -0400 Subject: M222 - PF1169 - new SNP's on YSEQ To: DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com CC: pconroy63@gmail.com; ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com; lasm4mckee@hughes.net; dcw1000@live.com; mwwdna@gmail.com Hi All, I've been working with YSEQ for the last few days to try and make my best Private SNP's available on YSEQ for purchase. Of the 23 I submitted, they selected the most promising 7, and now offer them for testing.