John, PS When it comes right down to it, the M222 page is the most important page a newcomer to M222 could have. Simple, I had no idea as to what M222 is, and I would bet that most other newcomers have no idea, either. The thing is, providing immediately useful information could attract people's interest, and once interested they could get onboard the bandwagon with everybody else. Once onboard, their curiosity will naturally lead to further exploration. Doug On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:25 PM, tuulen <tuulen@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, John, > > I am one of the R-M222 newbies, but I read the above note, and have a > suggestion for generating new and more M222 website traffic. > > For instance, when I first got started I had absolutely no idea that > there is > such a thing as "Niall of the Nine Hostages" and even less of an idea that > I > have it, until that same message appeared on my FTDNA home page. > > So, when that message shows up on somebody's home page, then a > noticeable reference to the M222 page could be made at the same time, > a website link saying that the M222 project is the way for them to go. > > If home page space is at a premium, then that same message could be put > on the same link as the "Niall of the Nine Hostages" message, as 2 in 1. > > Just a suggestion... > > Doug > > > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:38 PM, <Lochlan@aol.com> wrote: > >> In a message dated 7/18/2011 7:52:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, >> agoforth@moscow.com writes: >> >> The Background message at the website (the FTDNA site that people see >> when they search for haplogroup projects at FTDNA) needs updating and >> breaking down into subsections to make it easier for readers. Also, >> there was some sort of graphic in there that isn't working for me, but >> maybe that's just a problem for me. >> >> The News section hasn't been updated since June 2008. If I were a >> newbie, I'd be a little worried as to how active the site was. >> >> Allene, your ideas are all sound. I'll have to work on them. I >> hesitated to change anything on the M222 site at FTDNA in David's absence >> but he >> has given me permission to do so. I noticed the graphic problem myself >> a >> few weeks ago. I've got a copy and should be able to re-do that section. >> I >> can add your suggestion about gedcoms to any message I send out. >> >> < Providing at least a link >> to some of the information on your other site would be very helpful. >> >> I did put a link to my own M222 site on the FTDNA page but I think it's >> buried somewhere. I see up that page because the space allotted by FTDNA >> is >> woefully inadequate. >> >> <It might be best to recommend that people subscribe to the R-M222 >> RootsWeb list in digest mode. >> This was suggested by Sharon. I can add that to the message as well. >> >> < I'm a relative newbie to R-M222 so I have just been reading the list >> archives for a while. I decided to join after seeing two recent mailings >> from >> David Grierson about WTY testing on a member of a potential subgroup. If >> he >> applies for and is accepted for a WTY, would the R-M222 project general >> fund be available for those of us who may want to contribute toward the >> cost? >> >> This was suggested by Susan. >> >> There's nothing in the M222 fund right now but I'm familiar with other >> projects which have used it for the purpose you describe. It can be >> done. >> Once the money is added though I think it's difficult or impossible to >> retrieve. I think I'd make sure there are enough potential donations to >> cover >> any test before anyone actually donated to the fund. >> >> Thanks for all your suggestions and help. I'll see what can do. >> >> >> >> John >> >> >> R1b1c7 Research and Links: >> >> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Hi, John, I am one of the R-M222 newbies, but I read the above note, and have a suggestion for generating new and more M222 website traffic. For instance, when I first got started I had absolutely no idea that there is such a thing as "Niall of the Nine Hostages" and even less of an idea that I have it, until that same message appeared on my FTDNA home page. So, when that message shows up on somebody's home page, then a noticeable reference to the M222 page could be made at the same time, a website link saying that the M222 project is the way for them to go. If home page space is at a premium, then that same message could be put on the same link as the "Niall of the Nine Hostages" message, as 2 in 1. Just a suggestion... Doug On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:38 PM, <Lochlan@aol.com> wrote: > In a message dated 7/18/2011 7:52:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > agoforth@moscow.com writes: > > The Background message at the website (the FTDNA site that people see > when they search for haplogroup projects at FTDNA) needs updating and > breaking down into subsections to make it easier for readers. Also, > there was some sort of graphic in there that isn't working for me, but > maybe that's just a problem for me. > > The News section hasn't been updated since June 2008. If I were a > newbie, I'd be a little worried as to how active the site was. > > Allene, your ideas are all sound. I'll have to work on them. I > hesitated to change anything on the M222 site at FTDNA in David's absence > but he > has given me permission to do so. I noticed the graphic problem myself a > few weeks ago. I've got a copy and should be able to re-do that section. > I > can add your suggestion about gedcoms to any message I send out. > > < Providing at least a link > to some of the information on your other site would be very helpful. > > I did put a link to my own M222 site on the FTDNA page but I think it's > buried somewhere. I see up that page because the space allotted by FTDNA > is > woefully inadequate. > > <It might be best to recommend that people subscribe to the R-M222 > RootsWeb list in digest mode. > This was suggested by Sharon. I can add that to the message as well. > > < I'm a relative newbie to R-M222 so I have just been reading the list > archives for a while. I decided to join after seeing two recent mailings > from > David Grierson about WTY testing on a member of a potential subgroup. If > he > applies for and is accepted for a WTY, would the R-M222 project general > fund be available for those of us who may want to contribute toward the > cost? > > This was suggested by Susan. > > There's nothing in the M222 fund right now but I'm familiar with other > projects which have used it for the purpose you describe. It can be done. > Once the money is added though I think it's difficult or impossible to > retrieve. I think I'd make sure there are enough potential donations to > cover > any test before anyone actually donated to the fund. > > Thanks for all your suggestions and help. I'll see what can do. > > > > John > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 7/18/2011 7:52:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, agoforth@moscow.com writes: The Background message at the website (the FTDNA site that people see when they search for haplogroup projects at FTDNA) needs updating and breaking down into subsections to make it easier for readers. Also, there was some sort of graphic in there that isn't working for me, but maybe that's just a problem for me. The News section hasn't been updated since June 2008. If I were a newbie, I'd be a little worried as to how active the site was. Allene, your ideas are all sound. I'll have to work on them. I hesitated to change anything on the M222 site at FTDNA in David's absence but he has given me permission to do so. I noticed the graphic problem myself a few weeks ago. I've got a copy and should be able to re-do that section. I can add your suggestion about gedcoms to any message I send out. < Providing at least a link to some of the information on your other site would be very helpful. I did put a link to my own M222 site on the FTDNA page but I think it's buried somewhere. I see up that page because the space allotted by FTDNA is woefully inadequate. <It might be best to recommend that people subscribe to the R-M222 RootsWeb list in digest mode. This was suggested by Sharon. I can add that to the message as well. < I'm a relative newbie to R-M222 so I have just been reading the list archives for a while. I decided to join after seeing two recent mailings from David Grierson about WTY testing on a member of a potential subgroup. If he applies for and is accepted for a WTY, would the R-M222 project general fund be available for those of us who may want to contribute toward the cost? This was suggested by Susan. There's nothing in the M222 fund right now but I'm familiar with other projects which have used it for the purpose you describe. It can be done. Once the money is added though I think it's difficult or impossible to retrieve. I think I'd make sure there are enough potential donations to cover any test before anyone actually donated to the fund. Thanks for all your suggestions and help. I'll see what can do. John

Hello, Susan, PS Susan, not Suzan, sorry about my error. Doug On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:26 PM, tuulen <tuulen@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, Suzan, > > So, you are relatively new to this? > > Well, I have some good news for you. I am altogether new to this, but I > have no particular questions other than to get some general idea as to what > is going on and how it works. > > And I appreciate your honesty and openness about your observations, thank > you, and so it looks like we are off to a great start! > > Thanks! > > Doug > > > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Susan Milligan <similligan@msn.com>wrote: > >> Hello, my name is Susan Milligan. I became administrator of the orphaned >> Worldfamilies Milligan/Milliken Y-DNA project about a year ago. A majority >> of the members of that group, including my own family, either appear to be >> or have been tested R-M222+. >> >> I'm a relative newbie to R-M222 so I have just been reading the list >> archives for a while. I decided to join after seeing two recent mailings >> from David Grierson about WTY testing on a member of a potential subgroup. >> If he applies for and is accepted for a WTY, would the R-M222 project >> general fund be available for those of us who may want to contribute toward >> the cost? Or does anyone know another way? It's so expensive that one >> person shouldn't have to assume the entire cost. My family's kit is used as >> a comparison in some of his reports, so I know we are among those who could >> potentially benefit by it. >> >> Susan >> R1b1c7 Research and Links: >> >> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Hello, Suzan, So, you are relatively new to this? Well, I have some good news for you. I am altogether new to this, but I have no particular questions other than to get some general idea as to what is going on and how it works. And I appreciate your honesty and openness about your observations, thank you, and so it looks like we are off to a great start! Thanks! Doug On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Susan Milligan <similligan@msn.com> wrote: > Hello, my name is Susan Milligan. I became administrator of the orphaned > Worldfamilies Milligan/Milliken Y-DNA project about a year ago. A majority > of the members of that group, including my own family, either appear to be > or have been tested R-M222+. > > I'm a relative newbie to R-M222 so I have just been reading the list > archives for a while. I decided to join after seeing two recent mailings > from David Grierson about WTY testing on a member of a potential subgroup. > If he applies for and is accepted for a WTY, would the R-M222 project > general fund be available for those of us who may want to contribute toward > the cost? Or does anyone know another way? It's so expensive that one > person shouldn't have to assume the entire cost. My family's kit is used as > a comparison in some of his reports, so I know we are among those who could > potentially benefit by it. > > Susan > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John, Thanks for the feedback. I think it's great to have both your site and the FTDNA site. Re the General Fund, we used it very recently on the Macpherson project. It will work out fine. Allene

Hello, my name is Susan Milligan. I became administrator of the orphaned Worldfamilies Milligan/Milliken Y-DNA project about a year ago. A majority of the members of that group, including my own family, either appear to be or have been tested R-M222+. I'm a relative newbie to R-M222 so I have just been reading the list archives for a while. I decided to join after seeing two recent mailings from David Grierson about WTY testing on a member of a potential subgroup. If he applies for and is accepted for a WTY, would the R-M222 project general fund be available for those of us who may want to contribute toward the cost? Or does anyone know another way? It's so expensive that one person shouldn't have to assume the entire cost. My family's kit is used as a comparison in some of his reports, so I know we are among those who could potentially benefit by it. Susan

Hi Susan, I think that's a great idea! I am willing to help defray the cost, too, via the General Fund. My MacAdam/McAdam lines have some sort of deep ancestry with some of the Milligans and Griersons. Not sure when this is going to happen. I guess he is referring to the next round of WTY in 2012. Thanks for suggesting it! Allene On 7/18/2011 11:38 AM, Susan Milligan wrote: > Hello, my name is Susan Milligan. I became administrator of the orphaned Worldfamilies Milligan/Milliken Y-DNA project about a year ago. A majority of the members of that group, including my own family, either appear to be or have been tested R-M222+. > > I'm a relative newbie to R-M222 so I have just been reading the list archives for a while. I decided to join after seeing two recent mailings from David Grierson about WTY testing on a member of a potential subgroup. If he applies for and is accepted for a WTY, would the R-M222 project general fund be available for those of us who may want to contribute toward the cost? Or does anyone know another way? It's so expensive that one person shouldn't have to assume the entire cost. My family's kit is used as a comparison in some of his reports, so I know we are among those who could potentially benefit by it. > > Susan > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, I forgot to add that you have a site of your own in addition to the official FTDNA R-M222 Haplogroup site. The two don't appear to be linked to each other though. When I click on M222 at one of my MacAdam testee's personal pages, I see only the official site. Providing at least a link to some of the information on your other site would be very helpful. Allene

John, Your plans sound great. The testees in the Excel chart could be broken up into various groups. I am not sure of the best way to group them because I've never worked as an administrator on your site, but something along geographical, then surname lines might help. Doing this would help you meet the first goal listed for the project: "(1) To draw geographical distinctions and establish further clan and family subclusters within the R-M222 haplogroup." Lots of work though. Getting as many people as possible to load to Ysearch and provide GEDCOMs would also be useful. That is really something that should have happened at the surname project level, but it won't hurt to remind them to do it when they join, or when you send out your bulk mailing. On the Macpherson site we try to get these from new testees right away, and one of the co-admins has been working one-on-one with the earlier testees. He offers to create the GEDCOMs if they aren't comfortable making them on their own, and also helps them load to Ysearch as needed. It's a slow process because some people don't respond to his emails, but we've gotten more out of it than we did with a single bulk mailing, although that is worth trying the first time. I need to provide GEDCOMs for my MacAdam lines. The Background message at the website (the FTDNA site that people see when they search for haplogroup projects at FTDNA) needs updating and breaking down into subsections to make it easier for readers. Also, there was some sort of graphic in there that isn't working for me, but maybe that's just a problem for me. The News section hasn't been updated since June 2008. If I were a newbie, I'd be a little worried as to how active the site was. So that's my two cents. Allene

We've had a few members join the list recently. I'd just like to let them know that the archives of the list date to June 2007 and can be accessed at this URL: _http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/DNA/DNA-R1B1C7.html_ (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/DNA/DNA-R1B1C7.html) John

I'm going to try something new. On welcoming new project members I'm going to give them a link to my M222 site and suggest they join the M222 Rootsweb email list. I think I'll also send out the same info to the M222 project via the bulk mail option. If nothing else that might help breathe a little new life into the mail list. A lot of these new project members are new to DNA and are looking for assistance and information. Even though the M222 site and email list are on the project site I think many are not finding the links. If there's one thing I'm sure of it's that people on this list will be willing to help newbies. I just thought I'd warn people on this list first so you aren't surprised if get an unexpected notice. If anyone else has any ideas on how to improve the project feel free to post them. John

In a message dated 7/17/2011 8:16:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, weh8@verizon.net writes: The RCC matrix yields a distance, similar to a GD, but not quite the same, between pairs of haplotypes of ALL the members inputted to the Excel Data Analysis Correlation Kit function (not the CORREL one). If you folks want to try this it's an add-on to Excel available on your installation CD or in the installation file on your harddisk if that's how you received the program. Look for "Use the Analysis ToolPak to perform complex data analysis" in the help files. It tells how to load the add-on. I did this in an older version of Excel 2000 and just recently in a new version of Office 2010 which came pre-loaded on the harddrive. It does not work in the freebie version of the program. In the help files for the Data analysis tookpak it says under correlation: The CORREL and PEARSON worksheet functions both calculate the correlation coefficient between two measurement variables when measurements on each variable are observed for each of N subjects. (Any missing observation for any subject causes that subject to be ignored in the analysis.) The Correlation analysis tool is particularly useful when there are more than two measurement variables for each of N subjects. It provides an output table, a correlation matrix, that shows the value of CORREL (or PEARSON) applied to each possible pair of measurement variables. The correlation coefficient, like the covariance, is a measure of the extent to which two measurement variables "vary together." Unlike the covariance, the correlation coefficient is scaled so that its value is independent of the units in which the two measurement variables are expressed. (For example, if the two measurement variables are weight and height, the value of the correlation coefficient is unchanged if weight is converted from pounds to kilograms.) The value of any correlation coefficient must be between -1 and +1 inclusive. Doesn't that mean the tookpak also uses the Correl function or something identical? What it does do is compare every sample in the spreadsheet to each other and place the results in a McGee utility like matrix. The results are actually a half-matrix. Anyone who has ever used the McGee utility knows how easy it is to spot related clusters in the full matrix. I think Bill's method uses the same technique. I have no comment on the validity of the approach,knowing nothing of statistics. John

In a message dated 7/17/2011 9:19:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, agoforth@moscow.com writes: Why don't you hang around, now that you have one co-admin? You're too good to lose! I probably will. I'd really like to see a new project head to be someone of David Wilson's stature though. I can't fill those shoes either. If you ever run across or can recommend a candidate let me know! John

Here's a copy of an email I just received from a new M222 project member. Hi, I was recently accepted and welcomed into the R-M222 Project. I read about the goals of the project. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b1c7/default.aspx?section=goals I understand that project research is ongoing, and that a project such as this could remain ongoing indefinitely. Are there any occasions when results of the project could be available, to be seen? Thanks! This is why I think we need fresh blood and ideas in the project. How can I answer this? We don't have any project results or really even ongoing research. John

Hi, Steve, My postings to Sandy are apparently not getting through, so I think it is basically pointless to beat on this dead dog much further. A few points, however. The RCC matrix yields a distance, similar to a GD, but not quite the same, between pairs of haplotypes of ALL the members inputted to the Excel Data Analysis Correlation Kit function (not the CORREL one). It is completely valid to compare a pair of marker strings the way I did it. The fact that both the RCC matrix and the optimized position of the tree make the same clusters and haplotype groupings that others make prove the validity of the process. My two published papers have already indicated that the process works at least as well as those involving GDs. Moreover the mutations are averaged and are buried in the process. The same mutation probability applies to each marker of each testee and you don't have to know the probabilities because the calibration of the time scale (basically this distance from each pair of testees to their MRCA, done over 100+ pedigrees, takes care of the problem by averaging out their effects without agonizing about them since they are buried in the calibration. That's what most people don't understand about the time scale of the RCC process. You are correct when you say that the average marker value across all 37, 67, or 111 markers has no obvious significance. The marker differences in two haplotypes strings do. I am most happy to answer questions provided that the posers have read the details of the process that I am using and have read the answers to the FAQs that I posted to make the understanding process more effective. I appreciated the tone of your reply, Steve. But if my postings are not getting though, I fear that it is a waste of time. We'll see if this one gets though….. - Bye from Bill On Jul 17, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Stephen Forrest wrote: > Hi Bill, > > I don't think this discussion is wasting people's time, though I do rather > wish the tone were overall rather more civil. > > I have to say that regardless of the specifics of the Excel implementation, > Sandy's objection to the statistical foundation of RCC is valid. > > The sample correlation coefficient on paired data (x_1,y_1),...,(x_n,y_n) > corresponding to two random variables X and Y is the sum of (x_i - > x_m)*(y_i-y_m) for i from 1 to n, divided by the product of the magnitude > of the vectors (x_1-x_m,...,x_n-x_m) and (y_1-y_m,...,y_n-y_m) where x_m and > y_m are the means of the sample data x_1,...,x_n and y_1,,,,,y_m > respectively. > > The key point here is that the data x_1,...,x_n are supposed to be separate > measurements of a single random variable X of interest. When you use them > for RCC, by your design x_1,...,x_n are the STR markers values themselves. > These are not separate measurements of a single quantity and the value x_m > which is the average marker value across all 37, 67, or 111 markers has no > obvious significance. You are measuring the correspondence between two > random variables on a population of 37, 67 or, or 111, where the population > is marker values and not people. > > This introduces additional problems because marker value ranges vary widely > between markers. Some like DYS710 have high repeat numbers (mine is 35), > while others like DYS 578 are lower (mine is 9). My testing with my own > 111-marker sample has shown that the RCC between my profile and my profile > with a one-point mutation (i.e. the difference between RCC values before and > after)* varies inversely with the distance of the particular marker value > from the mean marker value x_m*. I can supply data if you like. > > There is absolutely no good biological reason why RCC should depend so > closely on marker values: a one-point mutation is a one-point mutation > whether the change is from 34 to 35 or 14 to 15. The fact that that it does > is evidence of the artificiality of this particular measure of genetic > distance, to say nothing of that fact that documented mutation rates which > will certainly affect TMRCA calculations are apparently not included in the > RCC model at all. > > I have a few other points to raise about RCC which I will strive to write up > and post here. I want to emphasize to all however that Bill has done a lot > of work here and that innovation in statistical analysis of genetic data > should to be welcomed. That said, these innovators like all researchers > have to be ready to face criticism and just because a particular objection > has not been raised before is not evidence of its falseness. Thanks to all > for the discussion. > > regards, > > Steve > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It struck me though that what's likely to put many people off from volunteering is the fear that FTDNA may once again make everyone's life difficult by making yet more changes to the way they do things I think you're referring to the changes in how FTDNA presents information, aren't you? Specifically turning multi-part markers formerly reported in two cells into one (11-13) which complicates capturing data in spreadsheets. Someone on this list who is no longer subscribed wrote a program which offers an easy work around to that problem in FTDNA. The program uses a web page of the project captured by saving the project web page, loads it into the program then saves the data as a cvs file. You can then import it into a spreadsheet with all the multi-part markers split into separate cells as before. If anyone would like a copy I don't think he'd mind sharing it. The only software requirement is having MS. Net framework installed on your computer. <If all that is stopping a qualified person from taking over the project, is some Web and database skills, then I can help with that, if needed. I don't have any particular skills except an interest in Irish history and genealogy. I probably know as much about DNA as the average enthusiast but I'm certainly no expert. What I've been doing is the daily busy work of checking DNA samples of those who want to join the project to make sure they match the M222 markers, the requirement David Wilson established when he began the project. I'm sure anyone on this list is familiar enough with the M222 modal markers to do the same. A new project administer could continue this practice - or institute new ones. To satisfy the purists, you could establish new groupings of DNA samples, one consisting of SNP tested M222 and another for those who match but are not SNP tested. This doesn't take a lot of time. I probably average about three a week. The new GAP setup is clunky but workable once you get used to it. Gerry, I think you would be as qualified as I am to be a co-administrator. Some projects have three or four co-administrators. I'm going to be honest here. I'm getting bored with DNA. We've been through the 37--67 markers upgrades, now 111 markers, the Walk on the Y initiative to discover new SNPS and the 23andMe and DeCodeme process and we know little more than we did years ago when the NW Irish clade was first reported. I think it's time for new blood in the project, especially now that David Wilson has retired ( he did request to retain his access to the GAP pages which I was happy to agree to). Maybe someone new can come up with fresh methods of analyzing the data. I get join requests everyday, many of which talk about being part of a research project. I do not tell them there is precious little research going on in the project. I just think the project would be better served by someone more enthusiastic about DNA than I am right now. John

Sandy, "Multivariate correlation coefficient" is a term you, not I, used. Sorry but I find it both fruitless and non productive to follow this thread any longer. And, I'll bet that other list readers share that opinion. - Bill Howard On Jul 17, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Alexander Paterson wrote: > The fact of the matter is that there is no such thing as a multivariate > correlation coefficient. > > It simply doesn't exist. My guess is that you assumed that such a concept > existed and tried to calculate it. Now you're surprised and offended that > someone doubts the validity of your calculations. I repeat: there is no such > thing as a multivariate correlation coefficient. > > The only correlation coefficient known to man is that for a bivariate normal > distribution. > > As soon as you move to 3 or more variables, the concept of a correlation > coefficient is replaced by something called R-squared (also known as the > coefficient of determination), which, in mathematical modelling, is defined > as that proportion of the variance of the variable that you are trying to > model, that is explained by the model. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Howard > Sent: 17 July 2011 17:00 > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Calculation of a correlation coeficient > > You still did it wrong, Sandy. > Read my reply again. And please think more carefully about what I wrote. > I think we are wasting the readers' time where there are more important > issues to which we should be paying attention. > (Oops, I see that my full reply did not get on the list. Too bad, because it > gave more reasons why you are wrong. I did not state in my full reply that > the answers you got were correct, but I did say that you had approached it > wrong and that I did not use the CORREL function in Excel, as you > contended.) > - Bye from Bill Howard > > On Jul 17, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Alexander Paterson wrote: > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yay! I can't think of anyone right now, but I only know a few people--mostly Milligans and Griersons. Connie McKenzie is one of my co-admins, so you can't have her! She's too busy anyway. Allene On 7/17/2011 7:24 PM, Lochlan@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/17/2011 9:19:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > agoforth@moscow.com writes: > > Why don't you hang around, now that you have one co-admin? You're too > good to lose! > > I probably will. I'd really like to see a new project head to be someone > of David Wilson's stature though. I can't fill those shoes either. If > you ever run across or can recommend a candidate let me know! > > > > John > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, I would call this "results of the project": http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b1c7/default.aspx?section=yresults Isn't this what the newbie is looking for. It would be what I'd be looking for. As for "ongoing research," maybe you should change that to "ongoing arguments." Just kidding. You could provide links to research that's currently being carried on that relates to M-222. There must be one or two people doing something like that out there. We don't have to be doing it ourselves. I don't consider myself qualified to do the sort of thing that David Wilson was doing--to put it mildly. I'd love to help out on this project in some way or other because I'm very interested in it, BUT I am already an administrator (Macpherson project) and that's all I can handle. Even with two co-admins it can get really busy at times. Why don't you hang around, now that you have one co-admin? You're too good to lose! Allene On 7/17/2011 6:56 PM, Lochlan@aol.com wrote: > Here's a copy of an email I just received from a new M222 project member. > > > Hi, > > I was recently accepted and welcomed into the R-M222 Project. > > I read about the goals of the project. > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b1c7/default.aspx?section=goals > > I understand that project research is ongoing, and that a project such as > this could remain ongoing indefinitely. > > Are there any occasions when results of the project could be available, to > be seen? > > Thanks! > > > This is why I think we need fresh blood and ideas in the project. How can > I answer this? We don't have any project results or really even ongoing > research. > > > > John > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message