Hi, Faith, I am new to DNA-based family research, and there are DNA-associated words and terms which are completely unfamiliar to me, too. So, short of a DNApedia, how about a website link to a page which includes definitions and brief explanations of such specialized words? That is, just as much as there could be such questions now, there likely will be such questions by other newcomers n the future, too. And, as you were saying, the easier the subject could be to understand and discuss, then the greater our group's participation potential. Doug On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Ehouse <ehouse@theedge.ca> wrote: > New to DNA > I too have been on this site for a few years, I could write on a postage > stamp what I have learned but I keep trying. Perhaps some of the "know its" > could help us who "don't understand" along by explaining things in simpler > language. I personally think it would make this list a lot more interesting > Faith > R1b1c > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <dna-r1b1c7-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 5:01 PM > Subject: DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 229 > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Keilty surname research (Bernard Keilty) > > 2. Re: Keilty surname research (Uncle Billy Dunbar) > > 3. Re: Keilty surname research (Bob Quinn) > > 4. Re: Keilty surname research (tuulen) > > 5. Re: Keilty surname research (John Carey) > > 6. Re: Keilty surname research (Allene Goforth) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 10:52:29 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> > > Subject: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > To: "DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com" <DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: > > <1311875549.26062.YahooMailNeo@web121514.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > Hello,?I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am > > new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know what > > to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to > read > > the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family history for just a > > few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > > ? > > I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family from > > Ireland. > > I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was > supposed > > to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to the USA abt > > 1860 settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > > Michael Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 > > and buried Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, > > Connecticut, 06795 USA. Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese > > of Armagh. Michael was Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick > > Keilty (1810-) and Catherine McShane (1818-) from Ireland. > > Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is not > > known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine children and > > raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 > > USA. > > I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. Some > > of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy include > > Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, Ireland), Dubauskas > > (from Lithuania). > > If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > > someone it would be greatly appreciated. > > I would be pleased to provide any further information. > > Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > > ytliekb@yahoo.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:00:18 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Uncle Billy Dunbar <countryunplugged@aol.com> > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > To: ytliekb@yahoo.com, dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <8CE1B6FB9FD5CD3-15D0-6684@Webmail-d108.sysops.aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Well lot's of luck Bernard, but I think your barking up the wrong tree on > > this site. I haven't learned a thing in the 2 or 3 years on here, you > > have to be a expert or more then you think you know to argue about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> > > To: DNA-R1B1C7 <DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:53 pm > > Subject: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > > > > > Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am > > new to > > NA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know what to do > > with > > ll of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to read the > > tutorials. I > > ave been researching Keilty family history for just a few years here in > > the USA > > paperwork genealogy). > > > > am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family from > > reland. > > do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was supposed > > to > > ave come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to the USA abt 1860 > > ettling in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. Michael > > Keilty > > as born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 and buried Mt St > > James > > emetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. Possibly > > from > > he parish of Kildress and diocese of Armagh. Michael was Catholic and his > > arents are possibly Patrick Keilty (1810-) and Catherine McShane (1818-) > > from > > reland. > > ichael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is not > > known > > hether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine children and raised > > their > > amily in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > > am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. Some > of > > the > > ther surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy include Keilty, > > McShane, > > uinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, Ireland), Dubauskas (from Lithuania). > > f anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > > someone it > > ould be greatly appreciated. > > would be pleased to provide any further information. > > ernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > > tliekb@yahoo.com > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > > ------------------------------ > > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com > > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > > of > > he message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:34:24 -0400 > > From: Bob Quinn <raaq@live.com> > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > To: <ytliekb@yahoo.com>, <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <BLU128-W18A14BFD0155820ABD8AACA0340@phx.gbl> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > Hi, Bernard. I am in the M222 and Quinn projects on FTDNA and feeling my > > way around. Give me a little time to better digest your note.My Family > > Tree is Quinn/Woods on Ancestry.com. Bernard Quinn, my GGGF came to > > Philadelphia from Armagh with his wife Elizabeth Murphy Quinn and their > > son, my GGF Arthur Quinn in about 1870.My Mother's Woods family is from > > Castleblayney and came to Philadelphia at about the same time.Takes a lot > > of digging, for sure. Regards, Bob > > > > Bob Quinn > > President&CEO > > Quinn Specialty Chemical Consultants > > > > Partner at Bay Street Investors/Bay Street Partners > > Co-Chair ACS GCI Manufacturer's Roundtable > > 27 Langton Lane > > Newtown Square, Pa, 19073 > > T:610-331-4920 > > e-mail:raaq@live.com > > Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobquinnspecialtychemicals > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 10:52:29 -0700 > >> From: ytliekb@yahoo.com > >> To: DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > >> > >> Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am > >> new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know > what > >> to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to > >> read the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family history for > >> just a few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > >> > >> I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family > from > >> Ireland. > >> I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was > >> supposed to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to the > >> USA abt 1860 settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, > 06795 > >> USA. Michael Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) Ireland, died 08 MAR > >> 1923 and buried Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, > >> Connecticut, 06795 USA. Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese > >> of Armagh. Michael was Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick > >> Keilty (1810-) and Catherine McShane (1818-) from Ireland. > >> Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is > not > >> known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine children and > >> raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 > >> USA. > >> I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. > Some > >> of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy include > >> Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, Ireland), > Dubauskas > >> (from Lithuania). > >> If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > >> someone it would be greatly appreciated. > >> I would be pleased to provide any further information. > >> Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > >> ytliekb@yahoo.com > >> R1b1c7 Research and Links: > >> > >> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:50:24 -0400 > > From: tuulen <tuulen@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > To: Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com>, dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: > > <CABbuTowXxHbsGh+H67qqa3BQqw=HXbazu9acfbwV7aisvfNV=Q@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Hi, Bernard, > > > > I am new to DNA-based family research, too. > > > > DNA can reveal many clues leading to useful information, but the > immediate > > difficulty is that nobody's family name has DNA. History books can tell > > us > > about ancient families, their names and the general area where they > lived, > > but, because names have no DNA, discovering any connection which may or > > may > > not exist between any of our names and those names of the past becomes a > > matter of developing a well researched and accurate paper-trail based on > > the > > best information available. > > > > Then, as you may already know, individual and family records often can be > > found, both in Ireland and in the US, from about the mid-19th century and > > later, but earlier than that time becomes more random and records which > do > > exist sometimes can be confusing or misleading. And going back a few > > hundred years could in many cases be extremely difficult or impossible. > > > > That is a fact which we all face. It is worthwhile to keep searching, > but > > be prepared for difficulties, to the extent of being big challenges. For > > instance, my cousin is our family's historian, and it has taken him now > > more > > than 14 years to discover when our great-great-grandfather was born, but > > we > > still do not know where he was born. > > > > I wish you the best of good luck in your search! > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > >> Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am > >> new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know > what > >> to > >> do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to read > >> the > >> tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family history for just a few > >> years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > >> > >> I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family > from > >> Ireland. > >> I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was > >> supposed > >> to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to the USA abt > >> 1860 > >> settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > Michael > >> Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 and > >> buried > >> Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 > >> USA. > >> Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese of Armagh. Michael was > >> Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick Keilty (1810-) and > >> Catherine > >> McShane (1818-) from Ireland. > >> Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is > not > >> known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine children and > >> raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 > >> USA. > >> I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. > Some > >> of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy include > >> Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, Ireland), > Dubauskas > >> (from Lithuania). > >> If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > >> someone it would be greatly appreciated. > >> I would be pleased to provide any further information. > >> Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > >> ytliekb@yahoo.com > >> R1b1c7 Research and Links: > >> > >> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 18:04:32 -0400 > > From: "John Carey" <johnca@quickclic.net> > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > To: <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <000001cc4d72$5496a0f0$fdc3e2d0$@quickclic.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Bernard > > > > I'm not sure what you have searched already. I have some experience with > > what Irish records exist for the 1800s so I may be able point you at > some > > resources but it isn't really connected to DNA so perhaps we should > > connect > > off-list. > > > > I did a quick search and found Michael and Sarah in the 1900 U.S. census > > for > > Watertown, Litchfield, along with eight of their children, a > > daughter-in-law > > and a grandchild. That census is useful because it contains some other > > information. It says that Michael was born in April 1845 and Sarah in > > March 1855, that they had been married 29 years and that they had nine > > children, all of whom were still living in 1900. Michael says that he > > immigrated in 1855 so it looks like they must have married in the U.S. > > Michael also indicates that he is a naturalized citizen, so you might > want > > to look for his naturalization papers. However, in other censuses, the > > birthdate implied from the age he gave is 1840 (1870), 1840 (1880) and > > 1835 > > (1910). > > > > Griffith's Valuation for Ireland lists 58 Keiltys in Ireland, of whom > more > > than one third are in Tyrone. The only Michaels in Tyrone were in > > Kildress > > parish in the Barony of Dungannon but these are unlikely to have been > your > > Michael since Griffith did his valuation around 1850 and your Michael was > > likely too young to have owned or been leasing land. > > > > John Carey > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of tuulen > > Sent: July-28-11 4:50 PM > > To: Bernard Keilty; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > > > Hi, Bernard, > > > > I am new to DNA-based family research, too. > > > > DNA can reveal many clues leading to useful information, but the > immediate > > difficulty is that nobody's family name has DNA. History books can tell > > us > > about ancient families, their names and the general area where they > lived, > > but, because names have no DNA, discovering any connection which may or > > may > > not exist between any of our names and those names of the past becomes a > > matter of developing a well researched and accurate paper-trail based on > > the > > best information available. > > > > Then, as you may already know, individual and family records often can be > > found, both in Ireland and in the US, from about the mid-19th century and > > later, but earlier than that time becomes more random and records which > do > > exist sometimes can be confusing or misleading. And going back a few > > hundred years could in many cases be extremely difficult or impossible. > > > > That is a fact which we all face. It is worthwhile to keep searching, > but > > be prepared for difficulties, to the extent of being big challenges. For > > instance, my cousin is our family's historian, and it has taken him now > > more > > than 14 years to discover when our great-great-grandfather was born, but > > we > > still do not know where he was born. > > > > I wish you the best of good luck in your search! > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > >> Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I > >> am new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't > >> know what to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us > >> customers to read the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family > >> history for just a few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > >> > >> I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family > >> from Ireland. > >> I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was > >> supposed to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to > >> the USA abt 1860 settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, > >> Connecticut, 06795 USA. Michael Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) > >> Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 and buried Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, > > County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > >> Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese of Armagh. Michael > >> was Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick Keilty (1810-) and > >> Catherine McShane (1818-) from Ireland. > >> Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is > >> not known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine > >> children and raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, > > Connecticut, 06795 USA. > >> I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. > >> Some of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy > >> include Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, > >> Ireland), Dubauskas (from Lithuania). > >> If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > >> someone it would be greatly appreciated. > >> I would be pleased to provide any further information. > >> Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > >> ytliekb@yahoo.com > >> R1b1c7 Research and Links: > >> > >> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:01:17 -0700 > > From: "Allene Goforth" <agoforth@moscow.com> > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > To: <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <E076E66C1D9349AB8306B5A928DEF1CF@AllenePC> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > Bernard, > > > > In addition to the good advice you have already received, If you look in > > the > > M222 message archives, there is a wonderful series of posts from someone > > on > > how to do Irish research. She provided this information sometime over the > > past year, but I can't remember who she is right now. Maybe she'll see > > this > > message and step forward to identify herself. > > > > Good luck with your research. > > > > Allene > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > End of DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 229 > > ****************************************** > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Folks My attempts to try and table the Grierson and Milligan/Milliken results didn't work as well as I would like. If you want a better copy, email me separately. Alan

New to DNA I too have been on this site for a few years, I could write on a postage stamp what I have learned but I keep trying. Perhaps some of the "know its" could help us who "don't understand" along by explaining things in simpler language. I personally think it would make this list a lot more interesting Faith R1b1c ----- Original Message ----- From: <dna-r1b1c7-request@rootsweb.com> To: <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 5:01 PM Subject: DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 229 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Keilty surname research (Bernard Keilty) > 2. Re: Keilty surname research (Uncle Billy Dunbar) > 3. Re: Keilty surname research (Bob Quinn) > 4. Re: Keilty surname research (tuulen) > 5. Re: Keilty surname research (John Carey) > 6. Re: Keilty surname research (Allene Goforth) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 10:52:29 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> > Subject: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > To: "DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com" <DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1311875549.26062.YahooMailNeo@web121514.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hello,?I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am > new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know what > to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to read > the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family history for just a > few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > ? > I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family from > Ireland. > I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was supposed > to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to the USA abt > 1860 settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > Michael Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 > and buried Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, > Connecticut, 06795 USA. Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese > of Armagh. Michael was Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick > Keilty (1810-) and Catherine McShane (1818-) from Ireland. > Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is not > known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine children and > raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 > USA. > I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. Some > of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy include > Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, Ireland), Dubauskas > (from Lithuania). > If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > someone it would be greatly appreciated. > I would be pleased to provide any further information. > Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > ytliekb@yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:00:18 -0400 (EDT) > From: Uncle Billy Dunbar <countryunplugged@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > To: ytliekb@yahoo.com, dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8CE1B6FB9FD5CD3-15D0-6684@Webmail-d108.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Well lot's of luck Bernard, but I think your barking up the wrong tree on > this site. I haven't learned a thing in the 2 or 3 years on here, you > have to be a expert or more then you think you know to argue about it. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> > To: DNA-R1B1C7 <DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:53 pm > Subject: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > > Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am > new to > NA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know what to do > with > ll of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to read the > tutorials. I > ave been researching Keilty family history for just a few years here in > the USA > paperwork genealogy). > > am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family from > reland. > do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was supposed > to > ave come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to the USA abt 1860 > ettling in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. Michael > Keilty > as born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 and buried Mt St > James > emetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. Possibly > from > he parish of Kildress and diocese of Armagh. Michael was Catholic and his > arents are possibly Patrick Keilty (1810-) and Catherine McShane (1818-) > from > reland. > ichael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is not > known > hether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine children and raised > their > amily in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. Some of > the > ther surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy include Keilty, > McShane, > uinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, Ireland), Dubauskas (from Lithuania). > f anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > someone it > ould be greatly appreciated. > would be pleased to provide any further information. > ernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > tliekb@yahoo.com > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:34:24 -0400 > From: Bob Quinn <raaq@live.com> > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > To: <ytliekb@yahoo.com>, <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BLU128-W18A14BFD0155820ABD8AACA0340@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi, Bernard. I am in the M222 and Quinn projects on FTDNA and feeling my > way around. Give me a little time to better digest your note.My Family > Tree is Quinn/Woods on Ancestry.com. Bernard Quinn, my GGGF came to > Philadelphia from Armagh with his wife Elizabeth Murphy Quinn and their > son, my GGF Arthur Quinn in about 1870.My Mother's Woods family is from > Castleblayney and came to Philadelphia at about the same time.Takes a lot > of digging, for sure. Regards, Bob > > Bob Quinn > President&CEO > Quinn Specialty Chemical Consultants > > Partner at Bay Street Investors/Bay Street Partners > Co-Chair ACS GCI Manufacturer's Roundtable > 27 Langton Lane > Newtown Square, Pa, 19073 > T:610-331-4920 > e-mail:raaq@live.com > Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobquinnspecialtychemicals > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 10:52:29 -0700 >> From: ytliekb@yahoo.com >> To: DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [R-M222] Keilty surname research >> >> Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am >> new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know what >> to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to >> read the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family history for >> just a few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). >> >> I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family from >> Ireland. >> I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was >> supposed to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to the >> USA abt 1860 settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 >> USA. Michael Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) Ireland, died 08 MAR >> 1923 and buried Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, >> Connecticut, 06795 USA. Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese >> of Armagh. Michael was Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick >> Keilty (1810-) and Catherine McShane (1818-) from Ireland. >> Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is not >> known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine children and >> raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 >> USA. >> I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. Some >> of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy include >> Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, Ireland), Dubauskas >> (from Lithuania). >> If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to >> someone it would be greatly appreciated. >> I would be pleased to provide any further information. >> Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. >> ytliekb@yahoo.com >> R1b1c7 Research and Links: >> >> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:50:24 -0400 > From: tuulen <tuulen@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > To: Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com>, dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CABbuTowXxHbsGh+H67qqa3BQqw=HXbazu9acfbwV7aisvfNV=Q@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, Bernard, > > I am new to DNA-based family research, too. > > DNA can reveal many clues leading to useful information, but the immediate > difficulty is that nobody's family name has DNA. History books can tell > us > about ancient families, their names and the general area where they lived, > but, because names have no DNA, discovering any connection which may or > may > not exist between any of our names and those names of the past becomes a > matter of developing a well researched and accurate paper-trail based on > the > best information available. > > Then, as you may already know, individual and family records often can be > found, both in Ireland and in the US, from about the mid-19th century and > later, but earlier than that time becomes more random and records which do > exist sometimes can be confusing or misleading. And going back a few > hundred years could in many cases be extremely difficult or impossible. > > That is a fact which we all face. It is worthwhile to keep searching, but > be prepared for difficulties, to the extent of being big challenges. For > instance, my cousin is our family's historian, and it has taken him now > more > than 14 years to discover when our great-great-grandfather was born, but > we > still do not know where he was born. > > I wish you the best of good luck in your search! > > Doug > > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am >> new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know what >> to >> do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to read >> the >> tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family history for just a few >> years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). >> >> I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family from >> Ireland. >> I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was >> supposed >> to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to the USA abt >> 1860 >> settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. Michael >> Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 and >> buried >> Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 >> USA. >> Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese of Armagh. Michael was >> Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick Keilty (1810-) and >> Catherine >> McShane (1818-) from Ireland. >> Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is not >> known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine children and >> raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 >> USA. >> I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. Some >> of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy include >> Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, Ireland), Dubauskas >> (from Lithuania). >> If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to >> someone it would be greatly appreciated. >> I would be pleased to provide any further information. >> Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. >> ytliekb@yahoo.com >> R1b1c7 Research and Links: >> >> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 18:04:32 -0400 > From: "John Carey" <johnca@quickclic.net> > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > To: <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000001cc4d72$5496a0f0$fdc3e2d0$@quickclic.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Bernard > > I'm not sure what you have searched already. I have some experience with > what Irish records exist for the 1800s so I may be able point you at some > resources but it isn't really connected to DNA so perhaps we should > connect > off-list. > > I did a quick search and found Michael and Sarah in the 1900 U.S. census > for > Watertown, Litchfield, along with eight of their children, a > daughter-in-law > and a grandchild. That census is useful because it contains some other > information. It says that Michael was born in April 1845 and Sarah in > March 1855, that they had been married 29 years and that they had nine > children, all of whom were still living in 1900. Michael says that he > immigrated in 1855 so it looks like they must have married in the U.S. > Michael also indicates that he is a naturalized citizen, so you might want > to look for his naturalization papers. However, in other censuses, the > birthdate implied from the age he gave is 1840 (1870), 1840 (1880) and > 1835 > (1910). > > Griffith's Valuation for Ireland lists 58 Keiltys in Ireland, of whom more > than one third are in Tyrone. The only Michaels in Tyrone were in > Kildress > parish in the Barony of Dungannon but these are unlikely to have been your > Michael since Griffith did his valuation around 1850 and your Michael was > likely too young to have owned or been leasing land. > > John Carey > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of tuulen > Sent: July-28-11 4:50 PM > To: Bernard Keilty; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > Hi, Bernard, > > I am new to DNA-based family research, too. > > DNA can reveal many clues leading to useful information, but the immediate > difficulty is that nobody's family name has DNA. History books can tell > us > about ancient families, their names and the general area where they lived, > but, because names have no DNA, discovering any connection which may or > may > not exist between any of our names and those names of the past becomes a > matter of developing a well researched and accurate paper-trail based on > the > best information available. > > Then, as you may already know, individual and family records often can be > found, both in Ireland and in the US, from about the mid-19th century and > later, but earlier than that time becomes more random and records which do > exist sometimes can be confusing or misleading. And going back a few > hundred years could in many cases be extremely difficult or impossible. > > That is a fact which we all face. It is worthwhile to keep searching, but > be prepared for difficulties, to the extent of being big challenges. For > instance, my cousin is our family's historian, and it has taken him now > more > than 14 years to discover when our great-great-grandfather was born, but > we > still do not know where he was born. > > I wish you the best of good luck in your search! > > Doug > > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I >> am new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't >> know what to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us >> customers to read the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family >> history for just a few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). >> >> I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family >> from Ireland. >> I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was >> supposed to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to >> the USA abt 1860 settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, >> Connecticut, 06795 USA. Michael Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) >> Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 and buried Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, > County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. >> Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese of Armagh. Michael >> was Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick Keilty (1810-) and >> Catherine McShane (1818-) from Ireland. >> Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is >> not known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine >> children and raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, > Connecticut, 06795 USA. >> I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. >> Some of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy >> include Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, >> Ireland), Dubauskas (from Lithuania). >> If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to >> someone it would be greatly appreciated. >> I would be pleased to provide any further information. >> Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. >> ytliekb@yahoo.com >> R1b1c7 Research and Links: >> >> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:01:17 -0700 > From: "Allene Goforth" <agoforth@moscow.com> > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > To: <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <E076E66C1D9349AB8306B5A928DEF1CF@AllenePC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Bernard, > > In addition to the good advice you have already received, If you look in > the > M222 message archives, there is a wonderful series of posts from someone > on > how to do Irish research. She provided this information sometime over the > past year, but I can't remember who she is right now. Maybe she'll see > this > message and step forward to identify herself. > > Good luck with your research. > > Allene > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 229 > ****************************************** >

Some time ago I ran across what appears to be a small cluster within M222, composed mainly of Duncans and Ashleys but including a few other surnames (Cole, McKinney,Hunter, Caughorn, McAninch, Akens, Jantzen, Urban, Taylor, Lawson, Mann, O'Neill). You can see the samples at this link: _http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/Duncan.xls_ (http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/Duncan.xls) This group has at least six shared off modal markers in 37. There are only a few territorial designations in this group. Four Duncans say they are from Scotland, one from Muirdrum. The Ashley samples all say from England; Cole says Ireland. One of the McAninish samples (one from Sorenson) states an origin in Antrim, northern Ireland. According to MacLysaght, McAninch is a variant of the Scottish surname MacInnes. The Jantzen sample lists Duncan as a variant spelling. This is probably a Duncan sample. Likewise the Urban samples also says Duncan. I used what some call a short form search on Ysearch - others call it a skeleton search. It's what Ken Nordvedt uses in locating his modals on Ysearch (that's where I learned the technique - you can see a lot of similar modal searches saved by others in Ysearch). Basically you just use enough markers to make sure the results are confined to the right haplogroup then add the off modal markers in the sample to be compared. In the above search I used 10 markers and 13-25-14-11, 385=11-12, 439=11,389-1=12,392=14,389-2=28, Allow a genetic distance of 0 or 1. Set the markers to 10. In doing this I got a few matches, especially at GD= 1 that did not really match. In this case a similar search using Ysearch returned approximately the same samples. In others it helped isolate the specific markers I was looking for. I know nothing about this cluster or why the surnames match as they do. I just thought I'd throw it out in case someone didn't already know this technique. John

Thanks, again. Bob Quinn President&CEO Quinn Specialty Chemical Consultants Partner at Bay Street Investors/Bay Street Partners Co-Chair ACS GCI Manufacturer's Roundtable 27 Langton Lane Newtown Square, Pa, 19073 T:610-331-4920 e-mail:raaq@live.com Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobquinnspecialtychemicals > From: Lochlan@aol.com > Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 20:52:38 -0400 > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com; ytliekb@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > > > In a message dated 7/29/2011 11:15:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > raaq@live.com writes: > > What can I learn from the FTDNA Haplotree page My Matches, John? I have > "exact" matches with 10 "people", 6 from Ireland, from R1b1a2a1a1b4b. I am > said to be R1b1a2.I have a bunch more with 1-step mutations, with the same, > R1b1a2a1a1b4b Haplogroup, most of them from Ireland, 136 out of less than > 200 "matches .What can I draw from that other than that I appear to be Irish > and in the Ribia2 area? Does it indicate my ancestors pretty far back were > from Orkney or Scandinavia or anything specific? Regards, Bob > > Bob Quinn > President&CEO > Quinn Specialty Chemical Consultants > > I just checked the Quinn DNA project. The project admin. groups most of > the M222 Quinns as Irish from Clann Fearghusa, including your own. That > would make some sense. One might expect their DNA to be M222 with an origin > from Owen, son of Nial. My only reservation might be I don't see a lot of > solid location information online. > > The clan Fearghusa were well known in Irish history. It's the tribe name > of the O Mailfabhails, Kings of Carraig Brachaidhe in Inishowen (Donegal). > That's a name now preserved in the castle of Carrickabraghey (on the Isle > of Doagh, parish of Clonmany). Among the septs associated with this tribe > are the O'Hogans of Tullach oge in Tyrone and the O Conne or O Cuinn. The > O'Hogans are probably the better known of the two - they were the > traditional inaugurators of the O'Neill chieftains of Tullyhogue. It is presumed > they followed the O'Neills west from their original base in Inishowen. > > There's an interesting reference to these two related septs in the Rights > of O'Neill: > > 18. Muintir Chuinne and Muintir Again are the high-stewards and chief > administrators of O Neill in the province of Ulster. Two-thirds of the > revenue go to Muintir Chuinne, because there were two of them at the > killing of Mag Lochlainn in the battle; and one-third to Muintir > Again because only one of them was there present. Two cows out of every > score, whether they be taken or given, and five pence for each cow as > commutation. > > The killing of Mag Lochlainn is a reference to the Battle of Caim Eirge in > 1241 when the combined forces of the O'Donnells and O'Neills defeated the > MacLochlainns, then kings of the northern Ui Neill. > > The O'Hogans are named in the Topographical Poems. > > A stout chief over Tulach Og > O hOgain, chief of white roads, > The plough has passed through every wood for it, > Another O hOgain is near it. > > Another section mentions the O Quinns and O'Hogans.. > > > The Clanns of Fergus view ye, > Know their vigorous chieftains; > Victorious over [foes] in every hill, > Are the Clann-Cuanach, the Clann-Baothghalaigh. > Over the lasting Carraic Brachaidhe, > Over the red-armed Clann Fergusa. > On each side they extended to the wave, > The O'Bruadairs, the O'Maoilfabhaills, > The O'Coinnes, the O hOgains here, > Elevation of human people. > This is still somewhat conjectural though in that It's not yet clear to me > if enough Quinn samples can be traced to Tryone or one of the surrounding > counties to establish that this DNA is Cenel Fearghusa. Perhaps there is. > You can see how the Cenel Fearghusa fit into the northern Ui Neill picture > from this chart: > _http://clanmaclochlainn.com/septs.htm_ > (http://clanmaclochlainn.com/septs.htm) > John > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, John. Bob Bob Quinn President&CEO Quinn Specialty Chemical Consultants Partner at Bay Street Investors/Bay Street Partners Co-Chair ACS GCI Manufacturer's Roundtable 27 Langton Lane Newtown Square, Pa, 19073 T:610-331-4920 e-mail:raaq@live.com Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobquinnspecialtychemicals > From: Lochlan@aol.com > Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 20:08:49 -0400 > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com; ytliekb@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > > > In a message dated 7/29/2011 11:15:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > raaq@live.com writes: > > What can I learn from the FTDNA Haplotree page My Matches, John? I have > "exact" matches with 10 "people", 6 from Ireland, from R1b1a2a1a1b4b. I am > said to be R1b1a2.I have a bunch more with 1-step mutations, with the same, > R1b1a2a1a1b4b Haplogroup, most of them from Ireland, 136 out of less than > 200 "matches .What can I draw from that other than that I appear to be Irish > and in the Ribia2 area? Does it indicate my ancestors pretty far back were > from Orkney or Scandinavia or anything specific? Regards, Bob > > I just checked your matches on your personal page. Every one of them is a > Quinn from 12-25 markers, none at 37, and a Coyne at 67. One of the > matches is spelled Gwinn. Coyne and Gwinn are interesting. They're close enough > a variant that all might be from the same suirname cluster. Those are > just matches from the Quinn project though. > > I personally don't pay any attention to matches at less than 67 markers. > For all your matches reported by FTDNA I see a couple of Coyne matches > again at the 67 marker level. Plus a McAmis. Otherwise I just see a handful of > surnames with no obvious connection (Evans, McNitt, McHargue, Lagan, > Gilbert) at 37 markers. I recognize a couple of these surnames from work done in > the past (MacNitt, McHargue). I think both of these can be found in or > around Donegal/Tyrone in Ulster but I have no idea of the origin of either > surname. > > Is McHargue the same as Maharg? MacLysaght derives that from MacIlhagga > (Mac Giolla Chairge) He states the Scottish form is Mac Giolla Domhnaigh, a > Scottish surname found in Antrim and Derry. McNitt may also be a Scottish > surname. > > And then you have Coyne, a sept of the Ui Fiachrach in Mayo. There were > Irish septs of the name Quinn all over the place. > > Without some definite location I think we're just guessing at origins. If > some of the Quinn matches can be placed in definite locations in Ireland > or Scotland then you might have something to go on. You need some kind of > county reference to have any real idea of what the surname might mean. > > > > John > > > > > > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Gerry. Bob Bob Quinn President&CEO Quinn Specialty Chemical Consultants Partner at Bay Street Investors/Bay Street Partners Co-Chair ACS GCI Manufacturer's Roundtable 27 Langton Lane Newtown Square, Pa, 19073 T:610-331-4920 e-mail:raaq@live.com Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobquinnspecialtychemicals > From: gerry@ringofgullion.com > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 20:15:12 -0400 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > The Griffith's Valuation is now on-line at AskAboutIreland.com which seems > to be a group of libraries and associations with an interest in genealogy. > http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml > > You used to be able to save an image of the actual page, but it's a Flash > pop-up now. You can though, print it and if you have a PDF printer driver, > you still can get the image. > > Gerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lochlan@aol.com > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 7:36 PM > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > In a message dated 7/29/2011 10:11:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > johnca@quickclic.net writes: > > I wonder if the CD is missing Tyrone. In the Griffith's search I did, the > highest concentration of the Keilty spelling was in Tyrone - 21 of 58 hits > altogether. Some of these may be the same person occupying different lots > but it seems odd not to have any of them there in the Tithe Applotment > Books. > > I don't have a good feel for the accuracy of the Tithe Applotment CD. > It's published by the same folks who put out the Griffith's Valuation CD, > which > is the source for most info on the Griffith's found on the internet. I do > know from personal experience that the Griffith's Cd is missing material, > sometimes even whole parishes. I assume the same is true for the Tithe CD > but I don't know for sure. > > I just re-checked the CD. I missed a variant, Keelty. There are > another 8 of these in Tyrone, from different parishes, a lot from Kildress > parish. That's the only difference I see though. > > > John > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 7/29/2011 11:15:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time, raaq@live.com writes: What can I learn from the FTDNA Haplotree page My Matches, John? I have "exact" matches with 10 "people", 6 from Ireland, from R1b1a2a1a1b4b. I am said to be R1b1a2.I have a bunch more with 1-step mutations, with the same, R1b1a2a1a1b4b Haplogroup, most of them from Ireland, 136 out of less than 200 "matches .What can I draw from that other than that I appear to be Irish and in the Ribia2 area? Does it indicate my ancestors pretty far back were from Orkney or Scandinavia or anything specific? Regards, Bob Bob Quinn President&CEO Quinn Specialty Chemical Consultants I just checked the Quinn DNA project. The project admin. groups most of the M222 Quinns as Irish from Clann Fearghusa, including your own. That would make some sense. One might expect their DNA to be M222 with an origin from Owen, son of Nial. My only reservation might be I don't see a lot of solid location information online. The clan Fearghusa were well known in Irish history. It's the tribe name of the O Mailfabhails, Kings of Carraig Brachaidhe in Inishowen (Donegal). That's a name now preserved in the castle of Carrickabraghey (on the Isle of Doagh, parish of Clonmany). Among the septs associated with this tribe are the O'Hogans of Tullach oge in Tyrone and the O Conne or O Cuinn. The O'Hogans are probably the better known of the two - they were the traditional inaugurators of the O'Neill chieftains of Tullyhogue. It is presumed they followed the O'Neills west from their original base in Inishowen. There's an interesting reference to these two related septs in the Rights of O'Neill: 18. Muintir Chuinne and Muintir Again are the high-stewards and chief administrators of O Neill in the province of Ulster. Two-thirds of the revenue go to Muintir Chuinne, because there were two of them at the killing of Mag Lochlainn in the battle; and one-third to Muintir Again because only one of them was there present. Two cows out of every score, whether they be taken or given, and five pence for each cow as commutation. The killing of Mag Lochlainn is a reference to the Battle of Caim Eirge in 1241 when the combined forces of the O'Donnells and O'Neills defeated the MacLochlainns, then kings of the northern Ui Neill. The O'Hogans are named in the Topographical Poems. A stout chief over Tulach Og O hOgain, chief of white roads, The plough has passed through every wood for it, Another O hOgain is near it. Another section mentions the O Quinns and O'Hogans.. The Clanns of Fergus view ye, Know their vigorous chieftains; Victorious over [foes] in every hill, Are the Clann-Cuanach, the Clann-Baothghalaigh. Over the lasting Carraic Brachaidhe, Over the red-armed Clann Fergusa. On each side they extended to the wave, The O'Bruadairs, the O'Maoilfabhaills, The O'Coinnes, the O hOgains here, Elevation of human people. This is still somewhat conjectural though in that It's not yet clear to me if enough Quinn samples can be traced to Tryone or one of the surrounding counties to establish that this DNA is Cenel Fearghusa. Perhaps there is. You can see how the Cenel Fearghusa fit into the northern Ui Neill picture from this chart: _http://clanmaclochlainn.com/septs.htm_ (http://clanmaclochlainn.com/septs.htm) John

The Griffith's Valuation is now on-line at AskAboutIreland.com which seems to be a group of libraries and associations with an interest in genealogy. http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml You used to be able to save an image of the actual page, but it's a Flash pop-up now. You can though, print it and if you have a PDF printer driver, you still can get the image. Gerry -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lochlan@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 7:36 PM To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research In a message dated 7/29/2011 10:11:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, johnca@quickclic.net writes: I wonder if the CD is missing Tyrone. In the Griffith's search I did, the highest concentration of the Keilty spelling was in Tyrone - 21 of 58 hits altogether. Some of these may be the same person occupying different lots but it seems odd not to have any of them there in the Tithe Applotment Books. I don't have a good feel for the accuracy of the Tithe Applotment CD. It's published by the same folks who put out the Griffith's Valuation CD, which is the source for most info on the Griffith's found on the internet. I do know from personal experience that the Griffith's Cd is missing material, sometimes even whole parishes. I assume the same is true for the Tithe CD but I don't know for sure. I just re-checked the CD. I missed a variant, Keelty. There are another 8 of these in Tyrone, from different parishes, a lot from Kildress parish. That's the only difference I see though. John R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 7/29/2011 11:15:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time, raaq@live.com writes: What can I learn from the FTDNA Haplotree page My Matches, John? I have "exact" matches with 10 "people", 6 from Ireland, from R1b1a2a1a1b4b. I am said to be R1b1a2.I have a bunch more with 1-step mutations, with the same, R1b1a2a1a1b4b Haplogroup, most of them from Ireland, 136 out of less than 200 "matches .What can I draw from that other than that I appear to be Irish and in the Ribia2 area? Does it indicate my ancestors pretty far back were from Orkney or Scandinavia or anything specific? Regards, Bob I just checked your matches on your personal page. Every one of them is a Quinn from 12-25 markers, none at 37, and a Coyne at 67. One of the matches is spelled Gwinn. Coyne and Gwinn are interesting. They're close enough a variant that all might be from the same suirname cluster. Those are just matches from the Quinn project though. I personally don't pay any attention to matches at less than 67 markers. For all your matches reported by FTDNA I see a couple of Coyne matches again at the 67 marker level. Plus a McAmis. Otherwise I just see a handful of surnames with no obvious connection (Evans, McNitt, McHargue, Lagan, Gilbert) at 37 markers. I recognize a couple of these surnames from work done in the past (MacNitt, McHargue). I think both of these can be found in or around Donegal/Tyrone in Ulster but I have no idea of the origin of either surname. Is McHargue the same as Maharg? MacLysaght derives that from MacIlhagga (Mac Giolla Chairge) He states the Scottish form is Mac Giolla Domhnaigh, a Scottish surname found in Antrim and Derry. McNitt may also be a Scottish surname. And then you have Coyne, a sept of the Ui Fiachrach in Mayo. There were Irish septs of the name Quinn all over the place. Without some definite location I think we're just guessing at origins. If some of the Quinn matches can be placed in definite locations in Ireland or Scotland then you might have something to go on. You need some kind of county reference to have any real idea of what the surname might mean. John

In a message dated 7/29/2011 10:11:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, johnca@quickclic.net writes: I wonder if the CD is missing Tyrone. In the Griffith's search I did, the highest concentration of the Keilty spelling was in Tyrone - 21 of 58 hits altogether. Some of these may be the same person occupying different lots but it seems odd not to have any of them there in the Tithe Applotment Books. I don't have a good feel for the accuracy of the Tithe Applotment CD. It's published by the same folks who put out the Griffith's Valuation CD, which is the source for most info on the Griffith's found on the internet. I do know from personal experience that the Griffith's Cd is missing material, sometimes even whole parishes. I assume the same is true for the Tithe CD but I don't know for sure. I just re-checked the CD. I missed a variant, Keelty. There are another 8 of these in Tyrone, from different parishes, a lot from Kildress parish. That's the only difference I see though. John

John I have been away and came back at the weekend. There are several questions I would like to ask you in relation to your comments below: 1. You say 'nothing can be said with authority about any of these surnames except they are all Scottish'. In relation to the Milliken/Milligan and Grieson/Griers, what do you mean by authority? 2. Are you proposing to write a paper that will include a brief history and origins of these surnames in Scotland and/or will the paper aim to evaluate, based on current understanding, the DNA relationship between all the surnames listed? On another note, for the benefit of those recently new to the forum and for those of us who have been around a long time, it might be helpful to provide some background to my previous email - the Map. In former discussions online and offline, it was recognized that in the southwest of Scotland there is nowhere near the number of sources (in fact, there is none) comparable with the Irish annals let alone the old genealogies found in the Books of Leinster, Lecan, Ballymote etc. For those studying Irish DNA, this has made it much easier to identify the origins of particular M222 type surnames, but a nightmare for those studying the M222 type surnames in the southwest of Scotland. To try and get round this problem, it was suggested sometime ago, that in relation to Scotland, it would be helpful if there was some kind of overview or coverage of the M222 surnames. This has never really happened as the task is probably too great for one person. In a previous email, I highlighted certain surnames found in the southwest of Scotland to have a pre-1600 origin with at least one or two DNA results with a paper trail. The reason for suggesting a pre-1600 list of surnames is simple, the Scots settlements in Ulster (1600s and onwards) and the later migrations of Irish into Scotland has unfortunately made it more difficult to study the origins of certain surnames, a good example, which you will be aware of, are the McCords. The surnames selected on the Map also have one or more DNA results confirmed M222. In relation to the Milliken/Milligans and Grierson/Griers there is a lot of information available, but I would like to stress, that long before the arrival of DNA Genealogy, it was already known, both these families or clans, shared a common link as early as 1400. My point is, DNA has never suggested they originate in Nithsdale, the written historic record, such as, charter evidence, crown and baronial records, local history and many other records such as wills and court records, have proved this. In the case of the Milliken/Milligans known as the Amuliganes, the written history is older and goes back the early 1200s. I have created a number of webpages including what I call the 'Calendars of Documents', as an online resource for those Millikens and Milligans researching their early history in Scotland. It was also created to prove that in Ireland, mainly in the old province of Ulster, surnames like Milliken and Milligan, and in some cases Mulligan, originated from the southwest of Scotland, where it evolved separately and independently of Ireland. The usual interpretation founded in Irish Surname books points to Co. Donegal. This has lead to a lot confusion over the years. In relation to the Griersons, there are two major sources, neither online, The Lag Charters 1400-1720 by Sir Philip J. Hamilton-Griersons published in 1958 by Scottish Record Society and R. C. Reid's 3 volume collection of Grierson papers/documents relating to a number of families in Dumfriesshire and Galloway, including copies of the original Lag Charters, which are now lost. This is an important collection and can only be accessed by visiting the Ewart Library in Dumfries. There are some online abstracts of the Lag Charters, but David Grierson is the best person to comment on these. When I first started communicating with David Grierson a number of years ago, the exchange of emails centered mainly on the origins of the Griersons of Lag, the chief of the surname in Nithsdale, and the claim made by several 19th century writers, the Griersons of Lag descend from the Clan MacGregor. This old chestnut has dogged Grierson history. The arrival of the DNA Genealogy, however, has challenged this claim and with other research in Nithsdale, demonstrates Gilbert Grierson 1st of Lag could not have been the second son of Malcolm MacGregor, who is said to have died in 1374. It also opened up another whole new angle, the realisation the Griersons and the Amuliganes shared a common link in the Rb1 haplogroup. With the advancement of DNA research, the possibility that we shared a common ancestry was further confirmed through the M222 SNP test. Now, offline, the question I am asking David is, do we share a common ancestor in Molegan, the ancestor of the Scottish Millikens/Milligans or is the link even earlier. This of course doesn't preclude the possibility there may have been incidents of non-parentage and given both families were inter-related through marriage early on and were neighbours, the probability is high. Sandy Paterson's recent piece of research on the 111 Mark test has been very helpful. He compares two Griersons with 4 Milligan/Milliken results (including my own). See below: Grierson 7874 Milligan 12068 13 7 Grierson 117158 Milligan 12068 16 6 Grierson 7874 Milligan 135550 16 7 Grierson 117158 Milligan 135550 19 7 Grierson 7874 Milligan 191000 21 3 Grierson 117158 Milligan 191000 24 3 Grierson 7874 Milliken 23702 24 3 Grierson 117158 Milliken 23702 27 2 Milligan 12068 descends directly from a Scottish family who settled in Co. Antrim early in the 1600s. An offline discussion about this test and Grierson 7874 might be helpful to clarify what the off-modal markers are in Sandy's approach. There are two Amuligane modals, no. 12068, 135550 & 1915550 come within the first and no. 23702 comes within the second. The question I have asked myself and others is, do these two modals share a common ancestor with Molegan? This question has not been answered, but I think the answer partly lies in DNA studies, which I am hoping both Sandy and Bill might be able to work out. I have calculated that Molegan lived at least 24 generations before present, based on an average 30 years per generation using the lineage of one man, whose ancestry can be traced back to 1500 and with gaps back to 1437 in Mid Nithsdale. Obviously, using the sum of 25 years per generation increases the range to just over 30 generations. This man comes within the second haplotype, not the first. No. 23702 is mine, and my result is close to his: at this time, he has not taken the 111 marker test with FTDNA only the 67 marker. There are two areas of interest then. 1. How are the Milliken/Milligans and Grierson/Griers related and what is the time-frame within which they are related? 2. Do the two Milliken/Milligan modals represent direct lineages from Molegan or is it possible, only one of them does and the other represents a kindred branch? The comparisons below seems to suggest the Milliken result is more distant from the Milligan 191000, which also has a paper trail back to Mid Nithsdale. Milligan 12068 Milligan 135550 13 5 Milligan 12068 Milligan 191000 16 3 Milligan 12068 Milliken 23702 23 1 Milligan 135550 Milligan 12068 13 5 Milligan 135550 Milligan 191000 17 4 Milligan 135550 Milliken 23702 26 2 Milliken 23702 Milligan 12068 23 1 Milliken 23702 Milligan 135550 26 2 Milliken 23702 Milligan 191000 29 0 As you can see from my comments in this email, there is a mutual benefit for the Milliken/Milligans and Grierson/Griers to continue the search to establish how we are related and the time-frame within which we are related. However, I am not sure to what ends your paper is serving! If there is a wider interest in the surnames listed on the Map I sent, I would welcome this, as there is much to unravel and much yet to learn about the M222 clade in the southwest of Scotland. In relation to the Cowans you ask the question do the they belong in the Grier-Milliken Group. The original suggestion stemmed from a series offline emails, which suggested a possible link with the McCords. I have since been corresponding with a chap who descends from a Cowan family in Ayrshire, and he has paper trail that goes back to a family from the parish of Dalrymple. I was at the National Archives of Scotland on Monday and found more material that will take his history further back. Since the last email I sent on the McCords, I have finished my paper on them. I also plan to add the surname MacAdam to the Map. Allene sent more information on a family who trace their lineage back to the McCaddams of Waterhead in the parish of Carsphairn; their history can be traced with certainty back to the early 1500s. Others have sent emails, I will reply shortly. Regards Alan In a message dated 22/07/2011 04:03:11 GMT Standard Time, Lochlan@aol.com writes: I'm working on some surname identifications for a paper I'm writing with Bill Howard. I find I really can't say much about many of these surnames but I know people have been working on them on this list. Can anyone put a little more flesh on these bare bones? Do the Cowans belong in the Grier-Millikin group? Greer/Grierson McAdams McCord Millikin.Milligan Nothing can be said with authority about any of these surnames except they are all Scottish. DNA studies on the Greer/Grierson site suggest these families are related and originated in the Nith valley of lowland Scotland. Some early mention of the families goes back to the 1200s in Galloway. Ewing/Ewin Ewings in the project mostly descend from ancestors who came from Scotland to Donegal and Ulster during the Plantation years but they do have matches from Scotland as well. The surname is thought to have originated in the vicinity of Loch Lomond in lowland Scotland. The Ewings in Donegal are documented by listings in the 1630 Muster Rolls, the 1654 Civil Survey, the 1665 Hearth Money Rolls and Presbyterian church registers for Burt congregation. R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What can I learn from the FTDNA Haplotree page My Matches, John? I have "exact" matches with 10 "people", 6 from Ireland, from R1b1a2a1a1b4b. I am said to be R1b1a2.I have a bunch more with 1-step mutations, with the same, R1b1a2a1a1b4b Haplogroup, most of them from Ireland, 136 out of less than 200 "matches .What can I draw from that other than that I appear to be Irish and in the Ribia2 area? Does it indicate my ancestors pretty far back were from Orkney or Scandinavia or anything specific? Regards, Bob Bob Quinn President&CEO Quinn Specialty Chemical Consultants Partner at Bay Street Investors/Bay Street Partners Co-Chair ACS GCI Manufacturer's Roundtable 27 Langton Lane Newtown Square, Pa, 19073 T:610-331-4920 e-mail:raaq@live.com Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobquinnspecialtychemicals > From: Lochlan@aol.com > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 21:36:18 -0400 > To: ytliekb@yahoo.com; DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > > > In a message dated 7/28/2011 12:53:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > ytliekb@yahoo.com writes: > > Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am > new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know what to > do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to read > the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family history for just a few > years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > > Bernard, your DNA shows quite a few off modal markers. That should make > it easy to find other matches within your surname group should any appear. > The problem is I only see one Keilty in the databases now - that's your > own sample. > > Off modal matches refer to differences between the overall M222 group modal > and your own DNA. You can easily check this yourself in a spreadsheet by > comparing your own DNA to M5UKQ, which is the M222 modal on Ysearch. Modal > just means the most common result at any given marker. > > Just to name a few: > > 389-1=14 > 458=18 > 437=16 > 449=29 > 464d=18 > > There may be more. I didn't check each location. But that already is a > lot at 25 markers. > > If you're wondering about matches with other surnames through DNA that's > problematical. We have lots of family modals and some cluster modals in the > project involving more than one surname. But most are just family modals. > > <I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. > > For an answer to that you need to do research in Irish history. I looked > up the surname Keilty in MacLysaght's Surnames of Ireland and found a few > vague references which eventually led me to Quilty - but the Quilty > references were mostly Munster (Limerick), Connacht, Down and surrounding counties, > in short it's a surname with multiple origins. Unfortunately Tyrone is > something of a black hole in Irish genealogy - there are no 1659 census > returns and the Hearth Money records are spotty and difficult to find (I now the > LDS have some on microfilm). > > The earliest records I can check for you are the Tithe Applotment Books > which precede the Griffith's Valuations. These returns are from the CD which > is notorious for missing records. > > The variant Keilty appears in Down (10), Antrim (3), Armagh (1). Two more > variants in Down (Keiltie). > > The variant Keightly appears in Tyrone (3) Two in the parish of Arboe, > one in Ballinderry. > > Archy Keightly > Steward Keightly > Saml. Keightly > > The variant Kielty appears in the same counties (Antrim, 3), Armagh (1), > Down (1), Londonderry (1) > > I think these are all variants of the same surname. But I don't see any > large concentration in one location except perhaps Co. Down. And even there > it's not large. > > I only see one possible variant in the 1660 Heath Money Rolls for Antrim, > a Kittelly, Abraham. > > The variant Keightly as found in Tryone appears to be an English surname. > It's found in Ulster, lowland Scotland, northern England and all over > England. > > _http://www.dynastree.co.uk/maps/detail/keightley.html_ > (http://www.dynastree.co.uk/maps/detail/keightley.html) > > There simply isn't a large enough concentration in Ulster in any one > location for me to think this is a native Irish sept. But that could be wrong. > > I do not see any possible Keilty variants in the 1659 census returns for > Antrim, Down or Armagh. > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wonder if the CD is missing Tyrone. In the Griffith's search I did, the highest concentration of the Keilty spelling was in Tyrone - 21 of 58 hits altogether. Some of these may be the same person occupying different lots but it seems odd not to have any of them there in the Tithe Applotment Books. You can search Griffith's for free at the 'Ask about Ireland' website. I like the link to the maps and the record images. John Carey -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lochlan@aol.com Sent: July-28-11 9:36 PM To: ytliekb@yahoo.com; DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research In a message dated 7/28/2011 12:53:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ytliekb@yahoo.com writes: Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know what to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to read the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family history for just a few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). Bernard, your DNA shows quite a few off modal markers. That should make it easy to find other matches within your surname group should any appear. The problem is I only see one Keilty in the databases now - that's your own sample. Off modal matches refer to differences between the overall M222 group modal and your own DNA. You can easily check this yourself in a spreadsheet by comparing your own DNA to M5UKQ, which is the M222 modal on Ysearch. Modal just means the most common result at any given marker. Just to name a few: 389-1=14 458=18 437=16 449=29 464d=18 There may be more. I didn't check each location. But that already is a lot at 25 markers. If you're wondering about matches with other surnames through DNA that's problematical. We have lots of family modals and some cluster modals in the project involving more than one surname. But most are just family modals. <I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. For an answer to that you need to do research in Irish history. I looked up the surname Keilty in MacLysaght's Surnames of Ireland and found a few vague references which eventually led me to Quilty - but the Quilty references were mostly Munster (Limerick), Connacht, Down and surrounding counties, in short it's a surname with multiple origins. Unfortunately Tyrone is something of a black hole in Irish genealogy - there are no 1659 census returns and the Hearth Money records are spotty and difficult to find (I now the LDS have some on microfilm). The earliest records I can check for you are the Tithe Applotment Books which precede the Griffith's Valuations. These returns are from the CD which is notorious for missing records. The variant Keilty appears in Down (10), Antrim (3), Armagh (1). Two more variants in Down (Keiltie). The variant Keightly appears in Tyrone (3) Two in the parish of Arboe, one in Ballinderry. Archy Keightly Steward Keightly Saml. Keightly The variant Kielty appears in the same counties (Antrim, 3), Armagh (1), Down (1), Londonderry (1) I think these are all variants of the same surname. But I don't see any large concentration in one location except perhaps Co. Down. And even there it's not large. I only see one possible variant in the 1660 Heath Money Rolls for Antrim, a Kittelly, Abraham. The variant Keightly as found in Tryone appears to be an English surname. It's found in Ulster, lowland Scotland, northern England and all over England. _http://www.dynastree.co.uk/maps/detail/keightley.html_ (http://www.dynastree.co.uk/maps/detail/keightley.html) There simply isn't a large enough concentration in Ulster in any one location for me to think this is a native Irish sept. But that could be wrong. I do not see any possible Keilty variants in the 1659 census returns for Antrim, Down or Armagh. John R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I checked the Roots Ireland site: http://www.rootsireland.ie/ which tries to collect all of the vital records for all of Ireland. You can do a lot of free searching, but the final records cost 5 euro. It's spotty on what is has, but it does have a lot. I checked birth records for Keilty and variants (it is generous on variants) and found the following. Antrim 128 Armagh 19 Cork 238 Derry 138 Down 96 Dublin 12 Galway 150 Kilkenny 30 Laois 16 Leitrim 58 Limerick 640 Longford 54 Louth 7 Mayo 145 Roscommon 431 Sligo 107 Tipperary 58 Tyrone 108 Wicklow 56 Gerry -----Original Message----- In a message dated 7/28/2011 12:53:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ytliekb@yahoo.com writes: Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know what to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to read the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family history for just a few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy).

In a message dated 7/28/2011 12:53:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ytliekb@yahoo.com writes: Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know what to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to read the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family history for just a few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). Bernard, your DNA shows quite a few off modal markers. That should make it easy to find other matches within your surname group should any appear. The problem is I only see one Keilty in the databases now - that's your own sample. Off modal matches refer to differences between the overall M222 group modal and your own DNA. You can easily check this yourself in a spreadsheet by comparing your own DNA to M5UKQ, which is the M222 modal on Ysearch. Modal just means the most common result at any given marker. Just to name a few: 389-1=14 458=18 437=16 449=29 464d=18 There may be more. I didn't check each location. But that already is a lot at 25 markers. If you're wondering about matches with other surnames through DNA that's problematical. We have lots of family modals and some cluster modals in the project involving more than one surname. But most are just family modals. <I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. For an answer to that you need to do research in Irish history. I looked up the surname Keilty in MacLysaght's Surnames of Ireland and found a few vague references which eventually led me to Quilty - but the Quilty references were mostly Munster (Limerick), Connacht, Down and surrounding counties, in short it's a surname with multiple origins. Unfortunately Tyrone is something of a black hole in Irish genealogy - there are no 1659 census returns and the Hearth Money records are spotty and difficult to find (I now the LDS have some on microfilm). The earliest records I can check for you are the Tithe Applotment Books which precede the Griffith's Valuations. These returns are from the CD which is notorious for missing records. The variant Keilty appears in Down (10), Antrim (3), Armagh (1). Two more variants in Down (Keiltie). The variant Keightly appears in Tyrone (3) Two in the parish of Arboe, one in Ballinderry. Archy Keightly Steward Keightly Saml. Keightly The variant Kielty appears in the same counties (Antrim, 3), Armagh (1), Down (1), Londonderry (1) I think these are all variants of the same surname. But I don't see any large concentration in one location except perhaps Co. Down. And even there it's not large. I only see one possible variant in the 1660 Heath Money Rolls for Antrim, a Kittelly, Abraham. The variant Keightly as found in Tryone appears to be an English surname. It's found in Ulster, lowland Scotland, northern England and all over England. _http://www.dynastree.co.uk/maps/detail/keightley.html_ (http://www.dynastree.co.uk/maps/detail/keightley.html) There simply isn't a large enough concentration in Ulster in any one location for me to think this is a native Irish sept. But that could be wrong. I do not see any possible Keilty variants in the 1659 census returns for Antrim, Down or Armagh. John

Good catch , John. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. John Carey <johnca@quickclic.net> wrote: Bernard I'm not sure what you have searched already. I have some experience with what Irish records exist for the 1800s so I may be able point you at some resources but it isn't really connected to DNA so perhaps we should connect off-list. I did a quick search and found Michael and Sarah in the 1900 U.S. census for Watertown, Litchfield, along with eight of their children, a daughter-in-law and a grandchild. That census is useful because it contains some other information. It says that Michael was born in April 1845 and Sarah in March 1855, that they had been married 29 years and that they had nine children, all of whom were still living in 1900. Michael says that he immigrated in 1855 so it looks like they must have married in the U.S. Michael also indicates that he is a naturalized citizen, so you might want to look for his naturalization papers. However, in other censuses, the birthdate implied from the age he gave is 1840 (1870), 1840 (1880) and 1835 (1910). Griffith's Valuation for Ireland lists 58 Keiltys in Ireland, of whom more than one third are in Tyrone. The only Michaels in Tyrone were in Kildress parish in the Barony of Dungannon but these are unlikely to have been your Michael since Griffith did his valuation around 1850 and your Michael was likely too young to have owned or been leasing land. John Carey -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of tuulen Sent: July-28-11 4:50 PM To: Bernard Keilty; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research Hi, Bernard, I am new to DNA-based family research, too. DNA can reveal many clues leading to useful information, but the immediate difficulty is that nobody's family name has DNA. History books can tell us about ancient families, their names and the general area where they lived, but, because names have no DNA, discovering any connection which may or may not exist between any of our names and those names of the past becomes a matter of developing a well researched and accurate paper-trail based on the best information available. Then, as you may already know, individual and family records often can be found, both in Ireland and in the US, from about the mid-19th century and later, but earlier than that time becomes more random and records which do exist sometimes can be confusing or misleading. And going back a few hundred years could in many cases be extremely difficult or impossible. That is a fact which we all face. It is worthwhile to keep searching, but be prepared for difficulties, to the extent of being big challenges. For instance, my cousin is our family's historian, and it has taken him now more than 14 years to discover when our great-great-grandfather was born, but we still do not know where he was born. I wish you the best of good luck in your search! Doug On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I > am new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't > know what to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us > customers to read the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family > history for just a few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > > I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family > from Ireland. > I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was > supposed to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to > the USA abt 1860 settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, > Connecticut, 06795 USA. Michael Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) > Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 and buried Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese of Armagh. Michael > was Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick Keilty (1810-) and > Catherine McShane (1818-) from Ireland. > Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is > not known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine > children and raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. > Some of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy > include Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, > Ireland), Dubauskas (from Lithuania). > If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > someone it would be greatly appreciated. > I would be pleased to provide any further information. > Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > ytliekb@yahoo.com > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ >_____________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ _____________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ _____________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bernard I'm not sure what you have searched already. I have some experience with what Irish records exist for the 1800s so I may be able point you at some resources but it isn't really connected to DNA so perhaps we should connect off-list. I did a quick search and found Michael and Sarah in the 1900 U.S. census for Watertown, Litchfield, along with eight of their children, a daughter-in-law and a grandchild. That census is useful because it contains some other information. It says that Michael was born in April 1845 and Sarah in March 1855, that they had been married 29 years and that they had nine children, all of whom were still living in 1900. Michael says that he immigrated in 1855 so it looks like they must have married in the U.S. Michael also indicates that he is a naturalized citizen, so you might want to look for his naturalization papers. However, in other censuses, the birthdate implied from the age he gave is 1840 (1870), 1840 (1880) and 1835 (1910). Griffith's Valuation for Ireland lists 58 Keiltys in Ireland, of whom more than one third are in Tyrone. The only Michaels in Tyrone were in Kildress parish in the Barony of Dungannon but these are unlikely to have been your Michael since Griffith did his valuation around 1850 and your Michael was likely too young to have owned or been leasing land. John Carey -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of tuulen Sent: July-28-11 4:50 PM To: Bernard Keilty; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research Hi, Bernard, I am new to DNA-based family research, too. DNA can reveal many clues leading to useful information, but the immediate difficulty is that nobody's family name has DNA. History books can tell us about ancient families, their names and the general area where they lived, but, because names have no DNA, discovering any connection which may or may not exist between any of our names and those names of the past becomes a matter of developing a well researched and accurate paper-trail based on the best information available. Then, as you may already know, individual and family records often can be found, both in Ireland and in the US, from about the mid-19th century and later, but earlier than that time becomes more random and records which do exist sometimes can be confusing or misleading. And going back a few hundred years could in many cases be extremely difficult or impossible. That is a fact which we all face. It is worthwhile to keep searching, but be prepared for difficulties, to the extent of being big challenges. For instance, my cousin is our family's historian, and it has taken him now more than 14 years to discover when our great-great-grandfather was born, but we still do not know where he was born. I wish you the best of good luck in your search! Doug On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I > am new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't > know what to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us > customers to read the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family > history for just a few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > > I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family > from Ireland. > I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was > supposed to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to > the USA abt 1860 settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, > Connecticut, 06795 USA. Michael Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) > Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 and buried Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese of Armagh. Michael > was Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick Keilty (1810-) and > Catherine McShane (1818-) from Ireland. > Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is > not known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine > children and raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. > Some of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy > include Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, > Ireland), Dubauskas (from Lithuania). > If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > someone it would be greatly appreciated. > I would be pleased to provide any further information. > Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > ytliekb@yahoo.com > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Bernard, I am new to DNA-based family research, too. DNA can reveal many clues leading to useful information, but the immediate difficulty is that nobody's family name has DNA. History books can tell us about ancient families, their names and the general area where they lived, but, because names have no DNA, discovering any connection which may or may not exist between any of our names and those names of the past becomes a matter of developing a well researched and accurate paper-trail based on the best information available. Then, as you may already know, individual and family records often can be found, both in Ireland and in the US, from about the mid-19th century and later, but earlier than that time becomes more random and records which do exist sometimes can be confusing or misleading. And going back a few hundred years could in many cases be extremely difficult or impossible. That is a fact which we all face. It is worthwhile to keep searching, but be prepared for difficulties, to the extent of being big challenges. For instance, my cousin is our family's historian, and it has taken him now more than 14 years to discover when our great-great-grandfather was born, but we still do not know where he was born. I wish you the best of good luck in your search! Doug On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am > new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know what to > do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to read the > tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family history for just a few > years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > > I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family from > Ireland. > I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was supposed > to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to the USA abt 1860 > settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. Michael > Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 and buried > Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese of Armagh. Michael was > Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick Keilty (1810-) and Catherine > McShane (1818-) from Ireland. > Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is not > known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine children and > raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. Some > of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy include > Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, Ireland), Dubauskas > (from Lithuania). > If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > someone it would be greatly appreciated. > I would be pleased to provide any further information. > Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > ytliekb@yahoo.com > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bernard, In addition to the good advice you have already received, If you look in the M222 message archives, there is a wonderful series of posts from someone on how to do Irish research. She provided this information sometime over the past year, but I can't remember who she is right now. Maybe she'll see this message and step forward to identify herself. Good luck with your research. Allene