I forgot to add the link: _http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/Mcldoh.htm_ (http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/Mcldoh.htm) John

I just put a file called McLaughlins and Dohertys online. It contains a McGee utility version of the off modal markers, a brief explanation of each surname and a genetic distance tree. This is a 37 marker version. I put this material online because the McLaughlins and Dohertys were both said to descend from sons of Nial c. 450 AD. Can anyone spot anything that might indicate these two families are as closely related within M222 as indicated by their traditional pedigrees? I only see one point in common (DYS 458 = 18). But not all have it. There's also a little overlap in family modal markers in that most McLaughlins have DYS 447= 24 and that is shared by at least some Dohertys. I can't say too much about 458= 18 because it's one of marker values in the project shared by many and not just known descendants of Niall. Some of the Dohertys also have the McLaughlin 576= 17. Almost all Dohertys have YCAIIab= 19-22, a value that does not appear in the McLaughlin samples. I haven't found this combination of markers in many other supposedly Cenel Eoghain or Cenel Conaill families. It seems to be absent almost entirely from the O Cathains and except for one McGovern I haven't seen it much in Connachta septs either. I did find it in a few septs said to come from Donegal including a Devenny, two Donnellys, a Boyle, two Kennedys from Ireland, a Granahan, a common Donegal surname, and a Boyle. According to O'Clery, the Dohertys all descend from a common ancestor c. 1170. The McLaughlins descend from a common ancestor in c. 1220. Note that the sample marked "the O'Doherty" was taken from Pasqal O'Doherty, the brother of the current O'Doherty chieftain, living in Spain since the late 1700s. John

At 01:24 AM 8/3/2011, you wrote: This news is welcome if only because it might arouse interest in the subject and lead to a rethink concerning ancestry. The Irish in the Middle Ages (e.g. in the court of Charlemagne) were ascribed Egyptian origin!! Nevertheless we should be careful. The examination of Tut may never have taken place but some other event have been inserted for illustration purposes. See on the net the lengthy correspondence that took place over this matter. We do not know and the Egyptians are not saying. They refuse to allow a re-examination. Yair Davidiy Jerusalem Israel [and according to the wonders of DNA possibly a descendant of Nial.] >Bet you didn't expect your y-chromosome test would help you find your, >um, *mummy >*(sorry, couldn't help that). M-222... and just about everything else is >Western Europe... is a subset of the group referenced below, of course. >Half of European men share King Tut's DNA > >LONDON Aug 1 (Reuters Life!) - Up to 70 percent of British men and half of >all Western European men are related to the Egyptian Pharaoh Tutankhamun, >geneticists in Switzerland said. > >Scientists at Zurich-based DNA genealogy centre, iGENEA, reconstructed the >DNA profile of the boy Pharaoh, who ascended the throne at the age of nine, >his father Akhenaten and grandfather Amenhotep III, based on a film that was >made for the Discovery Channel. > >The results showed that King Tut belonged to a genetic profile group, known >as haplogroup R1b1a2, to which more than 50 percent of all men in Western >Europe belong, indicating that they share a common ancestor. > >Among modern-day Egyptians this haplogroup contingent is below 1 percent, >according to iGENEA. >http://af.reuters.com/article/egyptNews/idAFL3E7J135P20110801 > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > >http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 6345 (20110802) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com

Who was born in 1814 (second line) , and whose kit is 43143 ? I have a hard time following this. Thanks. Bob Bob Quinn President&CEO Quinn Specialty Chemical Consultants Partner at Bay Street Investors/Bay Street Partners Co-Chair ACS GCI Manufacturer's Roundtable 27 Langton Lane Newtown Square, Pa, 19073 T:610-331-4920 e-mail:raaq@live.com Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobquinnspecialtychemicals > From: GAshley923@aol.com > Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 09:03:57 -0400 > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: [R-M222] DNA Ashley kit # 43143 > > > This big news to our group check family tree DNA Ashley kit # 43143 must > be a new participant on family tree Ashley born 1814 most definitely a 24 > out 25 R-M-222 next to Richard Ashley of mass Ashley's...Gene > # 43143 ASHLEY R1b1a2 13 25 14 11 11-13 12 12 12 13 14 29 > > Ashley R M-222 Ui Neill cousins Kit # 43143 Ashley matches 24 out of 25 > when we apply the Y-DNA 25 marker test and compare to Ui Neill > > > > Of note to Family Tree DNA customers, this signature is found in .6 of one > percent of the entire family Tree DNA database. It is characterized by the > following markers when our 12 marker test is applied: > > A more detailed signature appears when we apply the Y-DNA 25 marker test > and compare to the apparent Ui Neill signature. A listing of those values > appears in the table below. > > While the signature is typical for R1b European males in general, it is > characterized by 11,13 at DYS 385a/b and 14 at DYS 392. Within our second > panel of markers the most distinctive difference from the R1b Modal is the > 15,16,16,17 at DYS 464. > : > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This big news to our group check family tree DNA Ashley kit # 43143 must be a new participant on family tree Ashley born 1814 most definitely a 24 out 25 R-M-222 next to Richard Ashley of mass Ashley's...Gene # 43143 ASHLEY R1b1a2 13 25 14 11 11-13 12 12 12 13 14 29 Ashley R M-222 Ui Neill cousins Kit # 43143 Ashley matches 24 out of 25 when we apply the Y-DNA 25 marker test and compare to Ui Neill Of note to Family Tree DNA customers, this signature is found in .6 of one percent of the entire family Tree DNA database. It is characterized by the following markers when our 12 marker test is applied: A more detailed signature appears when we apply the Y-DNA 25 marker test and compare to the apparent Ui Neill signature. A listing of those values appears in the table below. While the signature is typical for R1b European males in general, it is characterized by 11,13 at DYS 385a/b and 14 at DYS 392. Within our second panel of markers the most distinctive difference from the R1b Modal is the 15,16,16,17 at DYS 464. :

In a message dated 8/2/2011 4:55:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time, ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com writes: AI1123.2 Donn Cuan Ua Cennetich quieuit Is that a 'surname'? Impossible to say, on its own. If his father and brothers and sons and nephews are also named maybe you can get somewhere. That is difficult to tell. The Kennedy pedigree has several Donn Cuans listed. GENELACH UI CEINNEIDIGH 1966. Aedh m Murchadha m Briain m Ruaidri m Amhlaibh m Giolla caoimghin m Donnchadha m Giolla caoimhghin m Taidhg m Domnaill cata letrech m Giolla caoimgin m Taidhg m Mathghamhna m Duinn cuan m Aedha m Cinneidigh m Duinn chuan m Cindeidigh m Lorcain m Lachtna. My own guess is he might be the second one. But he is literally the grandson of Cinneidigh so that isn't necessarily a surname. The first Duinn chuan would be a brother of Brian boruma, sl. 1014. Three generations up to the next Duinn cuan would put him at about the right date in 1123. A son of his is listed among the casualties of the battle of Clontarf (Conaing, son of Donncuan, son of Cenneidigh,). The next reference I see from Ireland in maps is: M1159, Gillacaeimhghin Ua Ceinneidigh, lord of Ormond, died on his pilgrimage at Cill-Dalua. Other sources give the name as: 1159 And a large force of [and the son of Gilla-Ciarain Ua Cennetigh I don't know if this fits the Giolla caoimgin son of Taidhg in the pedigree or not.. M1164, Amhlaeibh, son of Gillacaeimhghin Ua Ceinneidigh, lord of Ormond, was blinded by Toirdhealbhach Ua Briain. This looks like a surname to me though, especially if the Gilla caoimgin is the same one in the pedigree. He has no grandfather named Cinneidigh to which Ua can refer. John

Bet you didn't expect your y-chromosome test would help you find your, um, *mummy *(sorry, couldn't help that). M-222... and just about everything else is Western Europe... is a subset of the group referenced below, of course. Half of European men share King Tut's DNA LONDON Aug 1 (Reuters Life!) - Up to 70 percent of British men and half of all Western European men are related to the Egyptian Pharaoh Tutankhamun, geneticists in Switzerland said. Scientists at Zurich-based DNA genealogy centre, iGENEA, reconstructed the DNA profile of the boy Pharaoh, who ascended the throne at the age of nine, his father Akhenaten and grandfather Amenhotep III, based on a film that was made for the Discovery Channel. The results showed that King Tut belonged to a genetic profile group, known as haplogroup R1b1a2, to which more than 50 percent of all men in Western Europe belong, indicating that they share a common ancestor. Among modern-day Egyptians this haplogroup contingent is below 1 percent, according to iGENEA. http://af.reuters.com/article/egyptNews/idAFL3E7J135P20110801

The article isn't online and is copyright. The reference is 'The formation of Gaelic surnames in Ireland: choosing the eponyms', D. Ó Murchadha, in Nomina 22 (1999). Nomina is the journal of the Society for Name Studies in Britain and Ireland. The journal is very good and has had contributions from scholars like Brian O Cuiv, Peter McClure, Richard Coates, WFH Nicolaisen etc. http://www.snsbi.org.uk/index1.html cheers Iain > From: johnca@quickclic.net > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:45:06 -0400 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] 111-Marker results > > Iain > > I think a number of us would be interested in the article that you > mentioned. Can you direct us to it? Thanks. > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Iain Kennedy > Sent: August-02-11 5:59 AM > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] 111-Marker results > > > Sandy, even earlier than that. Irish patronymics appear on Ogam stones in > the 5th and 6th centuries. There are some sample inscriptions at > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogham_inscriptions. But true surnames were > several centuries later. I've read an article that tabulates all the surname > eponyms and they date from 858 to 1089, with the actual derived surname > usually a few generations later. > Iain > > > > > > From: alexanderpatterson@btinternet.com > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:16:20 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] 111-Marker results > > > > Hi Charles > > > > > > You touched on the fact that we M222's seem to be only distantly > > related to other M222 surnames. I don't think there's a magic number > > that we can usefully think of as the number of generations back by > > which time our families all had surnames. I have the impression that > > prominent Irish have been using patronyms since perhaps 800AD. In > > terms of Scotland, I know that the first Chief of Lamont, who lived > > around 1235-1295AD had a surname. The same family had previously used > > the surname Erachar, although it's not clear how far back that surname > went. > > > > > > Sandy > > > > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A very interesting site. Thanks. John -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Iain Kennedy Sent: August-02-11 9:05 AM To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] 111-Marker results The article isn't online and is copyright. The reference is 'The formation of Gaelic surnames in Ireland: choosing the eponyms', D. Ó Murchadha, in Nomina 22 (1999). Nomina is the journal of the Society for Name Studies in Britain and Ireland. The journal is very good and has had contributions from scholars like Brian O Cuiv, Peter McClure, Richard Coates, WFH Nicolaisen etc. http://www.snsbi.org.uk/index1.html cheers Iain > From: johnca@quickclic.net > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:45:06 -0400 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] 111-Marker results > > Iain > > I think a number of us would be interested in the article that you > mentioned. Can you direct us to it? Thanks. > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Iain Kennedy > Sent: August-02-11 5:59 AM > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] 111-Marker results > > > Sandy, even earlier than that. Irish patronymics appear on Ogam stones > in the 5th and 6th centuries. There are some sample inscriptions at > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogham_inscriptions. But true surnames > were several centuries later. I've read an article that tabulates all > the surname eponyms and they date from 858 to 1089, with the actual > derived surname usually a few generations later. > Iain > > > > > > From: alexanderpatterson@btinternet.com > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:16:20 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] 111-Marker results > > > > Hi Charles > > > > > > You touched on the fact that we M222's seem to be only distantly > > related to other M222 surnames. I don't think there's a magic number > > that we can usefully think of as the number of generations back by > > which time our families all had surnames. I have the impression that > > prominent Irish have been using patronyms since perhaps 800AD. In > > terms of Scotland, I know that the first Chief of Lamont, who lived > > around 1235-1295AD had a surname. The same family had previously > > used the surname Erachar, although it's not clear how far back that > > surname > went. > > > > > > Sandy > > > > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sandy, even earlier than that. Irish patronymics appear on Ogam stones in the 5th and 6th centuries. There are some sample inscriptions at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogham_inscriptions. But true surnames were several centuries later. I've read an article that tabulates all the surname eponyms and they date from 858 to 1089, with the actual derived surname usually a few generations later. Iain > From: alexanderpatterson@btinternet.com > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:16:20 +0100 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] 111-Marker results > > Hi Charles > > > You touched on the fact that we M222's seem to be only distantly related to > other M222 surnames. I don't think there's a magic number that we can > usefully think of as the number of generations back by which time our > families all had surnames. I have the impression that prominent Irish have > been using patronyms since perhaps 800AD. In terms of Scotland, I know that > the first Chief of Lamont, who lived around 1235-1295AD had a surname. The > same family had previously used the surname Erachar, although it's not clear > how far back that surname went. > > > Sandy > >

Iain I think a number of us would be interested in the article that you mentioned. Can you direct us to it? Thanks. John -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Iain Kennedy Sent: August-02-11 5:59 AM To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] 111-Marker results Sandy, even earlier than that. Irish patronymics appear on Ogam stones in the 5th and 6th centuries. There are some sample inscriptions at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogham_inscriptions. But true surnames were several centuries later. I've read an article that tabulates all the surname eponyms and they date from 858 to 1089, with the actual derived surname usually a few generations later. Iain > From: alexanderpatterson@btinternet.com > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:16:20 +0100 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] 111-Marker results > > Hi Charles > > > You touched on the fact that we M222's seem to be only distantly > related to other M222 surnames. I don't think there's a magic number > that we can usefully think of as the number of generations back by > which time our families all had surnames. I have the impression that > prominent Irish have been using patronyms since perhaps 800AD. In > terms of Scotland, I know that the first Chief of Lamont, who lived > around 1235-1295AD had a surname. The same family had previously used > the surname Erachar, although it's not clear how far back that surname went. > > > Sandy > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Charles Bear in mind that the estimates are associated with a range of possible values. The 25.08 generations estimated using 111 markers is perhaps better described in terms of a high probability (around 95%) of kinship being between 14.5 and 35.8 generations back. Likewise, there are implicit ranges about the estimates for Cain/Kane. Using only 67 markers, the comparable figures are 34.89, lying within the range 16.6 to 55.6 generations back. I think this tells us two things. Firstly, if 67 markers gives such a wide range of likely outcomes, working with 37 markers is unlikely to be very informative. Secondly, even at 111 markers, the ranges of likely kinships are still very wide. You touched on the fact that we M222's seem to be only distantly related to other M222 surnames. I don't think there's a magic number that we can usefully think of as the number of generations back by which time our families all had surnames. I have the impression that prominent Irish have been using patronyms since perhaps 800AD. In terms of Scotland, I know that the first Chief of Lamont, who lived around 1235-1295AD had a surname. The same family had previously used the surname Erachar, although it's not clear how far back that surname went. So I think that you and I were probably related nearer to the upper range of the 14.5 to 35.8 generations ago suggested by 111-marker haplotypes, probably 30-36 generations back. I must say I find the slow-down in the flow of 111-marker results quite worrying. I think McHenry has been waiting for about 4 weeks for his last batch. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charles Cain Sent: 01 August 2011 19:06 To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] 111-Marker results Sandy Thanks for your interesting table. Your TMRCA Table does agree with some research I have done based on a fairly reliable paper trail.

Arlis your Greek Proverb was great to hear again: "A society grows strong when old men plant trees whose shade they know they will never enjoy." - Greek Proverb My mama was not much Greek, more Italian per mtDNA results as explained by Ian Logan; but, she always said "The Lord Helps Them As Helps Themselves", note the old southerner slang of the poor people who planted trees they knew they would never live to reap the benefits thereof. This forum or group or board is taken care of by volunteers. I note several recent posts lately by searchers who seem to feel left out. Well, as a lurker myself who seldom posts and usually finds myself in error when I do, the old adage of you get out of something what you put in might also apply. Every person that I have seen respectfully ask for help on this forum has been given responses by several people most of the time. Many of these volunteers go far and above the "call of, shall we say, duty". Many take a lot of time to look up responses to people asking for help. It is beyond me how anyone could say they have never learned anything from these posts. Geez..................... Just my opinion. Linda McKee

Hard to say as the development phase of modern surnames lasted centuries and it's difficult to lay your hands on true contemporary sources for the period. Second hand annals can't be relied on to reproduce name forms (never mind spellings) as they were originally. Also a single record in isolation may not really indicate whether you are looking at a true hereditary surname or just a tribal name. I am looking at the emergence of the Kennedy surname in Irish records at the moment. The earliest contemporary record in Munster is this one: AI1123.2 Donn Cuan Ua Cennetich quieuit Is that a 'surname'? Impossible to say, on its own. If his father and brothers and sons and nephews are also named maybe you can get somewhere. Iain > Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 14:06:01 -0400 > From: cain@eecs.umich.edu > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] 111-Marker results > > > Incidentally, I was struck by how unrelated we (M222) all are...a > relative concept, I know. How many generations do we go back before > surnames were uncommon? I expect 15 or 20 (?) and that depends on where > you look. Most of us are related in TMRCA terms back further in time > than the use of surnames if you look at typical values, 30 or so, in > your table. > > Charles > > >

List, I'm getting a lot of posts held up lately the list spam filter. The reason given is the post is too long. There is a byte limit to posts although I seem to be able to force them through as administrator. The best way to avoid this problem is to be careful how much you quote from a previous post in your reply. A series of completely quoted emails, especially some long ones, can result in your own short post hitting the byte limit and getting rejected by the system. John

I've started doing TMRCA estimations for 111-marker haplotypes. The early results are at http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2733445/TMRCATABLE.csv The columns are A Surname B Kit number C Surname D Kit number C Estimated TMRCA Each haplotype is compared with each other haplotype (but this time not with itself). This time, instead of simulating 200 small populations, I simulated 10 large populations, giving a total of 27,195,111 pair-wise comparisons. In addition, I've allowed for 2-step mutations at a rate of .035 of total mutations. Burgurella and Navascues reported that they'd observed just over 3% multi-step mutations in their 2010 paper. The 68-111 results are a touch worrying in that there are a few unlikely-looking results. Examples are Brennan/Cunniff, with a GD of 33 but only 19 mismatches. Leonard/Cunniff have a GD of 28 with only 15 mismatches. There are 7 similar results in the haplotypes compared. This could of course mean that they may have had multi-step mutations, but nothing like this is apparent in markers 1-67. Anyway, what's quite encouraging is that I used the same haplotypes to produce separate estimates over the first 67 markers, then over the full 111 markers. The mean 95% frequency range fell from 30.3 generations using only 67 markers, to a much tighter 19.5 generations using all 111 markers. Sandy

Sandy Thanks for your interesting table. Your TMRCA Table does agree with some research I have done based on a fairly reliable paper trail. Namely, Kane, who you have listed as a TMRCA of 8 (my closest match), actually cannot, in all likelihood, be related before 7 generations back when my immigrant ancestor came here from Ireland (Mikel O'Cain as related by a family history). Mr.Kane likely cannot be related to me after 1740 when Mikel O'Cain moved to New Jersey. Apparently, Mr. Kane's immigrant relative came over in the large migration of the mid-1800s, his ancestor was Catholic, and my relatives tended towards being protestant ministers and frontier church founders, so definitely not Catholic However, your estimated 8 generations (TMRCA) between Cain and Kane could be consistent with what we know (although it is cutting it pretty close, i.e., Mickel O'Cain would have had the same father as one of Mr. Kane's ancestors...or some such). Still, it is consistent with what is known and such information is useful. And you, Sandy, are my second closest relative on your chart although a far ways back.This temporal distance is likely for the following reasons: Mr. Kane and I share a very rare 448=16 double mutation that, probabilistically speaking, is likely to have occurred a long time ago ( 448 is very stable and a value of 16 I have seen in no other set of data, M222 or otherwise, except in a small group of Cains...4 so far). You are 448=18 like virtually all M222. So anyone not sharing this rare double mutation is likely pretty far back in TMRCA terms. This is likely true because a very small number representing Mutations per Year (the mutation rate) for a stable site yields a large reciprocal in Years per Mutation. So one must integrate the mutation rate over a long time to obtain a significant probability for a single mutation. I don't know how to compute the probabilities for a double mutation like we have here because one can only guess at the rate. (I would suppose (guess) that the jump to 16 from 18 was part of the same mutation event since not a lot of 448=17 are around to seed the step to 16 in a multi-step process). So how, mechanistically and biologically, these mutations occur would be of interest in the case of a step greater than one and could greatly affect the probabilities for such events. Incidentally, I was struck by how unrelated we (M222) all are...a relative concept, I know. How many generations do we go back before surnames were uncommon? I expect 15 or 20 (?) and that depends on where you look. Most of us are related in TMRCA terms back further in time than the use of surnames if you look at typical values, 30 or so, in your table. Charles Alexander Paterson wrote: > I've started doing TMRCA estimations for 111-marker haplotypes. > > > > The early results are at > > > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2733445/TMRCATABLE.csv > > > > > > The columns are > > > > A Surname > > B Kit number > > C Surname > > D Kit number > > C Estimated TMRCA > > > > Each haplotype is compared with each other haplotype (but this time not with > itself). > > > > This time, instead of simulating 200 small populations, I simulated 10 large > populations, giving a total of 27,195,111 pair-wise comparisons. In > addition, I've allowed for 2-step mutations at a rate of .035 of total > mutations. Burgurella and Navascues reported that they'd observed just over > 3% multi-step mutations in their 2010 paper. > > > > The 68-111 results are a touch worrying in that there are a few > unlikely-looking results. Examples are Brennan/Cunniff, with a GD of 33 but > only 19 mismatches. Leonard/Cunniff have a GD of 28 with only 15 mismatches. > There are 7 similar results in the haplotypes compared. This could of course > mean that they may have had multi-step mutations, but nothing like this is > apparent in markers 1-67. > > > > Anyway, what's quite encouraging is that I used the same haplotypes to > produce separate estimates over the first 67 markers, then over the full 111 > markers. The mean 95% frequency range fell from 30.3 generations using only > 67 markers, to a much tighter 19.5 generations using all 111 markers. > > > > Sandy > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have kept an eye on this site for some time now, hoping to find something useful for the Dowd side.  I know others feel the same.  Perhaps one of the experts could look over the list names and bring those surnames into the discussion from time to time.   Arlis Dowd   "A society grows strong when old men plant trees whose shade they know they will never enjoy." - Greek Proverb I GoodSearch & GoodShop for KARE YOUTH LEAGUE.  I do this by searching the Internet with Goodsearch.com (powered by Yahoo), or shopping online with GoodShop.com ________________________________ From: "dna-r1b1c7-request@rootsweb.com" <dna-r1b1c7-request@rootsweb.com> To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 12:00 AM Subject: DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 235 Today's Topics:   1. Re: New to DNA (tuulen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:04:49 -0400 From: tuulen <tuulen@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [R-M222] New to DNA To: Ehouse <ehouse@theedge.ca>, dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Message-ID:     <CABbuTozJf8MVWZsq1bBxVrrz1LeOHsO6vndOoMvmVEsOi-r2aQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Faith, I am new to DNA-based family research, and there are DNA-associated words and terms which are completely unfamiliar to me, too. So, short of a DNApedia, how about a website link to a page which includes definitions and brief explanations of such specialized words? That is, just as much as there could be such questions now, there likely will be such questions by other newcomers n the future, too. And, as you were saying, the easier the subject could be to understand and discuss, then the greater our group's participation potential. Doug On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Ehouse <ehouse@theedge.ca> wrote: > New to DNA > I too have been on this site for a few years, I could write on a postage > stamp what I have learned but I keep trying. Perhaps some of the "know its" > could help us who "don't understand"  along by explaining things in simpler > language. I personally think it would make this list a lot more interesting > Faith > R1b1c > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <dna-r1b1c7-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 5:01 PM > Subject: DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 229 > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > >  1. Keilty surname research (Bernard Keilty) > >  2. Re: Keilty surname research (Uncle Billy Dunbar) > >  3. Re: Keilty surname research (Bob Quinn) > >  4. Re: Keilty surname research (tuulen) > >  5. Re: Keilty surname research (John Carey) > >  6. Re: Keilty surname research (Allene Goforth) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 10:52:29 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> > > Subject: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > To: "DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com" <DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: > > <1311875549.26062.YahooMailNeo@web121514.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > Hello,?I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am > > new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know what > > to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to > read > > the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family history for just a > > few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > > ? > > I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family from > > Ireland. > > I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was > supposed > > to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to the USA abt > > 1860 settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > > Michael Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 > > and buried Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, > > Connecticut, 06795 USA. Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese > > of Armagh. Michael was Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick > > Keilty (1810-) and Catherine McShane (1818-) from Ireland. > > Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is not > > known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine children and > > raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 > > USA. > > I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. Some > > of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy include > > Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, Ireland), Dubauskas > > (from Lithuania). > > If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > > someone it would be greatly appreciated. > > I would be pleased to provide any further information. > > Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > > ytliekb@yahoo.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:00:18 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Uncle Billy Dunbar <countryunplugged@aol.com> > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > To: ytliekb@yahoo.com, dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <8CE1B6FB9FD5CD3-15D0-6684@Webmail-d108.sysops.aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Well lot's of luck Bernard, but I think your barking up the wrong tree on > > this site.  I haven't learned a thing in the 2 or 3 years on here,  you > > have to be a expert or more then you think you know to argue about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> > > To: DNA-R1B1C7 <DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:53 pm > > Subject: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > > > > > Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am > > new to > > NA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know what to do > > with > > ll of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to read the > > tutorials. I > > ave been researching Keilty family history for just a few years here in > > the USA > > paperwork genealogy). > > > > am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family from > > reland. > > do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was supposed > > to > > ave come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to the USA abt 1860 > > ettling in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. Michael > > Keilty > > as born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 and buried Mt St > > James > > emetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. Possibly > > from > > he parish of Kildress and diocese of Armagh. Michael was Catholic and his > > arents are possibly Patrick Keilty (1810-) and Catherine McShane (1818-) > > from > > reland. > > ichael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is not > > known > > hether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine children and raised > > their > > amily in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > > am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. Some > of > > the > > ther surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy include Keilty, > > McShane, > > uinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, Ireland), Dubauskas (from Lithuania). > > f anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > > someone it > > ould be greatly appreciated. > > would be pleased to provide any further information. > > ernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > > tliekb@yahoo.com > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > > ------------------------------ > > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com > > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > > of > > he message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:34:24 -0400 > > From: Bob Quinn <raaq@live.com> > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > To: <ytliekb@yahoo.com>, <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <BLU128-W18A14BFD0155820ABD8AACA0340@phx.gbl> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > Hi, Bernard. I am in the M222 and Quinn projects on FTDNA and feeling my > > way around. Give me a little time to better digest your note.My Family > > Tree is Quinn/Woods on Ancestry.com. Bernard Quinn, my GGGF came to > > Philadelphia from Armagh with his wife Elizabeth Murphy Quinn and their > > son, my GGF Arthur Quinn in about 1870.My Mother's Woods family is from > > Castleblayney and came to Philadelphia at about the same time.Takes a lot > > of digging, for sure. Regards, Bob > > > > Bob Quinn > > President&CEO > > Quinn Specialty Chemical Consultants > > > > Partner at Bay Street Investors/Bay Street Partners > > Co-Chair ACS GCI Manufacturer's Roundtable > > 27 Langton Lane > > Newtown Square, Pa, 19073 > > T:610-331-4920 > > e-mail:raaq@live.com > > Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobquinnspecialtychemicals > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 10:52:29 -0700 > >> From: ytliekb@yahoo.com > >> To: DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > >> > >> Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am > >> new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know > what > >> to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to > >> read the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family history for > >> just a few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > >> > >> I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family > from > >> Ireland. > >> I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was > >> supposed to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to the > >> USA abt 1860 settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, > 06795 > >> USA. Michael Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) Ireland, died 08 MAR > >> 1923 and buried Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, > >> Connecticut, 06795 USA. Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese > >> of Armagh. Michael was Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick > >> Keilty (1810-) and Catherine McShane (1818-) from Ireland. > >> Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is > not > >> known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine children and > >> raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 > >> USA. > >> I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. > Some > >> of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy include > >> Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, Ireland), > Dubauskas > >> (from Lithuania). > >> If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > >> someone it would be greatly appreciated. > >> I would be pleased to provide any further information. > >> Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > >> ytliekb@yahoo.com > >>  R1b1c7 Research and Links: > >> > >> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:50:24 -0400 > > From: tuulen <tuulen@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > To: Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com>, dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: > > <CABbuTowXxHbsGh+H67qqa3BQqw=HXbazu9acfbwV7aisvfNV=Q@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Hi, Bernard, > > > > I am new to DNA-based family research, too. > > > > DNA can reveal many clues leading to useful information, but the > immediate > > difficulty is that nobody's family name has DNA.  History books can tell > > us > > about ancient families, their names and the general area where they > lived, > > but, because names have no DNA, discovering any connection which may or > > may > > not exist between any of our names and those names of the past becomes a > > matter of developing a well researched and accurate paper-trail based on > > the > > best information available. > > > > Then, as you may already know, individual and family records often can be > > found, both in Ireland and in the US, from about the mid-19th century and > > later, but earlier than that time becomes more random and records which > do > > exist sometimes can be confusing or misleading.  And going back a few > > hundred years could in many cases be extremely difficult or impossible. > > > > That is a fact which we all face.  It is worthwhile to keep searching, > but > > be prepared for difficulties, to the extent of being big challenges.  For > > instance, my cousin is our family's historian, and it has taken him now > > more > > than 14 years to discover when our great-great-grandfather was born, but > > we > > still do not know where he was born. > > > > I wish you the best of good luck in your search! > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > >> Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am > >> new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know > what > >> to > >> do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to read > >> the > >> tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family history for just a few > >> years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > >> > >> I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family > from > >> Ireland. > >> I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was > >> supposed > >> to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to the USA abt > >> 1860 > >> settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > Michael > >> Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 and > >> buried > >> Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 > >> USA. > >> Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese of Armagh. Michael was > >> Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick Keilty (1810-) and > >> Catherine > >> McShane (1818-) from Ireland. > >> Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is > not > >> known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine children and > >> raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 > >> USA. > >> I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. > Some > >> of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy include > >> Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, Ireland), > Dubauskas > >> (from Lithuania). > >> If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > >> someone it would be greatly appreciated. > >> I would be pleased to provide any further information. > >> Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > >> ytliekb@yahoo.com > >>  R1b1c7 Research and Links: > >> > >> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 18:04:32 -0400 > > From: "John Carey" <johnca@quickclic.net> > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > To: <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <000001cc4d72$5496a0f0$fdc3e2d0$@quickclic.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Bernard > > > > I'm not sure what you have searched already.  I have some experience with > > what  Irish records exist for the 1800s so I may be able point you at > some > > resources but it isn't really connected to DNA so perhaps we should > > connect > > off-list. > > > > I did a quick search and found Michael and Sarah in the 1900 U.S. census > > for > > Watertown, Litchfield, along with eight of their children, a > > daughter-in-law > > and a grandchild.  That census is useful because it contains some other > > information.  It says that Michael was born in  April 1845 and Sarah in > > March 1855, that they had been married 29 years and that they had nine > > children, all of whom were still living in 1900.  Michael says that he > > immigrated in 1855 so it looks like they must have married in the U.S. > > Michael also indicates that he is a naturalized citizen, so you might > want > > to look for his naturalization papers. However, in other censuses, the > > birthdate implied from the age he gave is 1840 (1870), 1840 (1880) and > > 1835 > > (1910). > > > > Griffith's Valuation for Ireland lists 58 Keiltys in Ireland, of whom > more > > than one third are in Tyrone.  The only Michaels in Tyrone were in > > Kildress > > parish in the Barony of Dungannon but these are unlikely to have been > your > > Michael since Griffith did his valuation around 1850 and your Michael was > > likely too young to have owned or been leasing land. > > > > John Carey > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of tuulen > > Sent: July-28-11 4:50 PM > > To: Bernard Keilty; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > > > Hi, Bernard, > > > > I am new to DNA-based family research, too. > > > > DNA can reveal many clues leading to useful information, but the > immediate > > difficulty is that nobody's family name has DNA.  History books can tell > > us > > about ancient families, their names and the general area where they > lived, > > but, because names have no DNA, discovering any connection which may or > > may > > not exist between any of our names and those names of the past becomes a > > matter of developing a well researched and accurate paper-trail based on > > the > > best information available. > > > > Then, as you may already know, individual and family records often can be > > found, both in Ireland and in the US, from about the mid-19th century and > > later, but earlier than that time becomes more random and records which > do > > exist sometimes can be confusing or misleading.  And going back a few > > hundred years could in many cases be extremely difficult or impossible. > > > > That is a fact which we all face.  It is worthwhile to keep searching, > but > > be prepared for difficulties, to the extent of being big challenges.  For > > instance, my cousin is our family's historian, and it has taken him now > > more > > than 14 years to discover when our great-great-grandfather was born, but > > we > > still do not know where he was born. > > > > I wish you the best of good luck in your search! > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > >> Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I > >> am new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't > >> know what to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us > >> customers to read the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family > >> history for just a few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > >> > >> I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family > >> from Ireland. > >> I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was > >> supposed to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to > >> the USA abt 1860 settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, > >> Connecticut, 06795 USA. Michael Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) > >> Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 and buried Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, > > County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > >> Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese of Armagh. Michael > >> was Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick Keilty (1810-) and > >> Catherine McShane (1818-) from Ireland. > >> Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is > >> not known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine > >> children and raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, > > Connecticut, 06795 USA. > >> I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. > >> Some of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy > >> include Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, > >> Ireland), Dubauskas (from Lithuania). > >> If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > >> someone it would be greatly appreciated. > >> I would be pleased to provide any further information. > >> Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > >> ytliekb@yahoo.com > >>  R1b1c7 Research and Links: > >> > >> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:01:17 -0700 > > From: "Allene Goforth" <agoforth@moscow.com> > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > To: <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <E076E66C1D9349AB8306B5A928DEF1CF@AllenePC> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > Bernard, > > > > In addition to the good advice you have already received, If you look in > > the > > M222 message archives, there is a wonderful series of posts from someone > > on > > how to do Irish research. She provided this information sometime over the > > past year, but I can't remember who she is right now. Maybe she'll see > > this > > message and step forward to identify herself. > > > > Good luck with your research. > > > > Allene > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > End of DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 229 > > ****************************************** > > > >  R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ End of DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 235 ******************************************

Go here http://www.isogg.org/ and click on 'For Newbies' on the panel on the left. Resources include the DNA-NEWBIE Yahoo group and a glossary. Also from the separate link on the left there is a complete Y-DNA tree as we know it today. For our group, you can go straight to the page http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR.html and search for 'M222'. Iain > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:04:49 -0400 > From: tuulen@gmail.com > To: ehouse@theedge.ca; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] New to DNA > > Hi, Faith, > > I am new to DNA-based family research, and there are DNA-associated words > and terms which are completely unfamiliar to me, too. > > So, short of a DNApedia, how about a website link to a page which includes > definitions and brief explanations of such specialized words? > > That is, just as much as there could be such questions now, there likely > will be such questions by other newcomers n the future, too. > > And, as you were saying, the easier the subject could be to understand and > discuss, then the greater our group's participation potential. > > Doug > > > On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Ehouse <ehouse@theedge.ca> wrote: > > > New to DNA > > I too have been on this site for a few years, I could write on a postage > > stamp what I have learned but I keep trying. Perhaps some of the "know its" > > could help us who "don't understand" along by explaining things in simpler > > language. I personally think it would make this list a lot more interesting > > Faith > > R1b1c > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <dna-r1b1c7-request@rootsweb.com> > > To: <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 5:01 PM > > Subject: DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 229 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > 1. Keilty surname research (Bernard Keilty) > > > 2. Re: Keilty surname research (Uncle Billy Dunbar) > > > 3. Re: Keilty surname research (Bob Quinn) > > > 4. Re: Keilty surname research (tuulen) > > > 5. Re: Keilty surname research (John Carey) > > > 6. Re: Keilty surname research (Allene Goforth) > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 10:52:29 -0700 (PDT) > > > From: Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> > > > Subject: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > > To: "DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com" <DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com> > > > Message-ID: > > > <1311875549.26062.YahooMailNeo@web121514.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > > Hello,?I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am > > > new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know what > > > to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to > > read > > > the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family history for just a > > > few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > > > ? > > > I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family from > > > Ireland. > > > I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was > > supposed > > > to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to the USA abt > > > 1860 settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > > > Michael Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 > > > and buried Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, > > > Connecticut, 06795 USA. Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese > > > of Armagh. Michael was Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick > > > Keilty (1810-) and Catherine McShane (1818-) from Ireland. > > > Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is not > > > known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine children and > > > raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 > > > USA. > > > I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. Some > > > of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy include > > > Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, Ireland), Dubauskas > > > (from Lithuania). > > > If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > > > someone it would be greatly appreciated. > > > I would be pleased to provide any further information. > > > Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > > > ytliekb@yahoo.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 2 > > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:00:18 -0400 (EDT) > > > From: Uncle Billy Dunbar <countryunplugged@aol.com> > > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > > To: ytliekb@yahoo.com, dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > > Message-ID: <8CE1B6FB9FD5CD3-15D0-6684@Webmail-d108.sysops.aol.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > Well lot's of luck Bernard, but I think your barking up the wrong tree on > > > this site. I haven't learned a thing in the 2 or 3 years on here, you > > > have to be a expert or more then you think you know to argue about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> > > > To: DNA-R1B1C7 <DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:53 pm > > > Subject: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > > > > > > > > Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am > > > new to > > > NA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know what to do > > > with > > > ll of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to read the > > > tutorials. I > > > ave been researching Keilty family history for just a few years here in > > > the USA > > > paperwork genealogy). > > > > > > am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family from > > > reland. > > > do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was supposed > > > to > > > ave come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to the USA abt 1860 > > > ettling in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. Michael > > > Keilty > > > as born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 and buried Mt St > > > James > > > emetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. Possibly > > > from > > > he parish of Kildress and diocese of Armagh. Michael was Catholic and his > > > arents are possibly Patrick Keilty (1810-) and Catherine McShane (1818-) > > > from > > > reland. > > > ichael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is not > > > known > > > hether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine children and raised > > > their > > > amily in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > > > am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. Some > > of > > > the > > > ther surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy include Keilty, > > > McShane, > > > uinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, Ireland), Dubauskas (from Lithuania). > > > f anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > > > someone it > > > ould be greatly appreciated. > > > would be pleased to provide any further information. > > > ernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > > > tliekb@yahoo.com > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > > > ------------------------------ > > > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com > > > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > > > of > > > he message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 3 > > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:34:24 -0400 > > > From: Bob Quinn <raaq@live.com> > > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > > To: <ytliekb@yahoo.com>, <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > > > Message-ID: <BLU128-W18A14BFD0155820ABD8AACA0340@phx.gbl> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > > > > Hi, Bernard. I am in the M222 and Quinn projects on FTDNA and feeling my > > > way around. Give me a little time to better digest your note.My Family > > > Tree is Quinn/Woods on Ancestry.com. Bernard Quinn, my GGGF came to > > > Philadelphia from Armagh with his wife Elizabeth Murphy Quinn and their > > > son, my GGF Arthur Quinn in about 1870.My Mother's Woods family is from > > > Castleblayney and came to Philadelphia at about the same time.Takes a lot > > > of digging, for sure. Regards, Bob > > > > > > Bob Quinn > > > President&CEO > > > Quinn Specialty Chemical Consultants > > > > > > Partner at Bay Street Investors/Bay Street Partners > > > Co-Chair ACS GCI Manufacturer's Roundtable > > > 27 Langton Lane > > > Newtown Square, Pa, 19073 > > > T:610-331-4920 > > > e-mail:raaq@live.com > > > Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobquinnspecialtychemicals > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 10:52:29 -0700 > > >> From: ytliekb@yahoo.com > > >> To: DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com > > >> Subject: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > >> > > >> Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am > > >> new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know > > what > > >> to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to > > >> read the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family history for > > >> just a few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > > >> > > >> I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family > > from > > >> Ireland. > > >> I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was > > >> supposed to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to the > > >> USA abt 1860 settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, > > 06795 > > >> USA. Michael Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) Ireland, died 08 MAR > > >> 1923 and buried Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, > > >> Connecticut, 06795 USA. Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese > > >> of Armagh. Michael was Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick > > >> Keilty (1810-) and Catherine McShane (1818-) from Ireland. > > >> Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is > > not > > >> known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine children and > > >> raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 > > >> USA. > > >> I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. > > Some > > >> of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy include > > >> Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, Ireland), > > Dubauskas > > >> (from Lithuania). > > >> If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > > >> someone it would be greatly appreciated. > > >> I would be pleased to provide any further information. > > >> Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > > >> ytliekb@yahoo.com > > >> R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > >> > > >> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 4 > > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:50:24 -0400 > > > From: tuulen <tuulen@gmail.com> > > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > > To: Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com>, dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > > Message-ID: > > > <CABbuTowXxHbsGh+H67qqa3BQqw=HXbazu9acfbwV7aisvfNV=Q@mail.gmail.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > > > Hi, Bernard, > > > > > > I am new to DNA-based family research, too. > > > > > > DNA can reveal many clues leading to useful information, but the > > immediate > > > difficulty is that nobody's family name has DNA. History books can tell > > > us > > > about ancient families, their names and the general area where they > > lived, > > > but, because names have no DNA, discovering any connection which may or > > > may > > > not exist between any of our names and those names of the past becomes a > > > matter of developing a well researched and accurate paper-trail based on > > > the > > > best information available. > > > > > > Then, as you may already know, individual and family records often can be > > > found, both in Ireland and in the US, from about the mid-19th century and > > > later, but earlier than that time becomes more random and records which > > do > > > exist sometimes can be confusing or misleading. And going back a few > > > hundred years could in many cases be extremely difficult or impossible. > > > > > > That is a fact which we all face. It is worthwhile to keep searching, > > but > > > be prepared for difficulties, to the extent of being big challenges. For > > > instance, my cousin is our family's historian, and it has taken him now > > > more > > > than 14 years to discover when our great-great-grandfather was born, but > > > we > > > still do not know where he was born. > > > > > > I wish you the best of good luck in your search! > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > > > > >> Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am > > >> new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know > > what > > >> to > > >> do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to read > > >> the > > >> tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family history for just a few > > >> years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > > >> > > >> I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family > > from > > >> Ireland. > > >> I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was > > >> supposed > > >> to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to the USA abt > > >> 1860 > > >> settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > > Michael > > >> Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 and > > >> buried > > >> Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 > > >> USA. > > >> Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese of Armagh. Michael was > > >> Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick Keilty (1810-) and > > >> Catherine > > >> McShane (1818-) from Ireland. > > >> Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is > > not > > >> known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine children and > > >> raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 > > >> USA. > > >> I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. > > Some > > >> of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy include > > >> Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, Ireland), > > Dubauskas > > >> (from Lithuania). > > >> If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > > >> someone it would be greatly appreciated. > > >> I would be pleased to provide any further information. > > >> Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > > >> ytliekb@yahoo.com > > >> R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > >> > > >> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 5 > > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 18:04:32 -0400 > > > From: "John Carey" <johnca@quickclic.net> > > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > > To: <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > > > Message-ID: <000001cc4d72$5496a0f0$fdc3e2d0$@quickclic.net> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > Bernard > > > > > > I'm not sure what you have searched already. I have some experience with > > > what Irish records exist for the 1800s so I may be able point you at > > some > > > resources but it isn't really connected to DNA so perhaps we should > > > connect > > > off-list. > > > > > > I did a quick search and found Michael and Sarah in the 1900 U.S. census > > > for > > > Watertown, Litchfield, along with eight of their children, a > > > daughter-in-law > > > and a grandchild. That census is useful because it contains some other > > > information. It says that Michael was born in April 1845 and Sarah in > > > March 1855, that they had been married 29 years and that they had nine > > > children, all of whom were still living in 1900. Michael says that he > > > immigrated in 1855 so it looks like they must have married in the U.S. > > > Michael also indicates that he is a naturalized citizen, so you might > > want > > > to look for his naturalization papers. However, in other censuses, the > > > birthdate implied from the age he gave is 1840 (1870), 1840 (1880) and > > > 1835 > > > (1910). > > > > > > Griffith's Valuation for Ireland lists 58 Keiltys in Ireland, of whom > > more > > > than one third are in Tyrone. The only Michaels in Tyrone were in > > > Kildress > > > parish in the Barony of Dungannon but these are unlikely to have been > > your > > > Michael since Griffith did his valuation around 1850 and your Michael was > > > likely too young to have owned or been leasing land. > > > > > > John Carey > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of tuulen > > > Sent: July-28-11 4:50 PM > > > To: Bernard Keilty; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > > > > > Hi, Bernard, > > > > > > I am new to DNA-based family research, too. > > > > > > DNA can reveal many clues leading to useful information, but the > > immediate > > > difficulty is that nobody's family name has DNA. History books can tell > > > us > > > about ancient families, their names and the general area where they > > lived, > > > but, because names have no DNA, discovering any connection which may or > > > may > > > not exist between any of our names and those names of the past becomes a > > > matter of developing a well researched and accurate paper-trail based on > > > the > > > best information available. > > > > > > Then, as you may already know, individual and family records often can be > > > found, both in Ireland and in the US, from about the mid-19th century and > > > later, but earlier than that time becomes more random and records which > > do > > > exist sometimes can be confusing or misleading. And going back a few > > > hundred years could in many cases be extremely difficult or impossible. > > > > > > That is a fact which we all face. It is worthwhile to keep searching, > > but > > > be prepared for difficulties, to the extent of being big challenges. For > > > instance, my cousin is our family's historian, and it has taken him now > > > more > > > than 14 years to discover when our great-great-grandfather was born, but > > > we > > > still do not know where he was born. > > > > > > I wish you the best of good luck in your search! > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> > > wrote: > > > > > >> Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I > > >> am new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't > > >> know what to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us > > >> customers to read the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family > > >> history for just a few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > > >> > > >> I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family > > >> from Ireland. > > >> I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was > > >> supposed to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to > > >> the USA abt 1860 settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, > > >> Connecticut, 06795 USA. Michael Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) > > >> Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 and buried Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, > > > County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > > >> Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese of Armagh. Michael > > >> was Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick Keilty (1810-) and > > >> Catherine McShane (1818-) from Ireland. > > >> Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is > > >> not known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine > > >> children and raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, > > > Connecticut, 06795 USA. > > >> I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. > > >> Some of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy > > >> include Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, > > >> Ireland), Dubauskas (from Lithuania). > > >> If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > > >> someone it would be greatly appreciated. > > >> I would be pleased to provide any further information. > > >> Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > > >> ytliekb@yahoo.com > > >> R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > >> > > >> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > > > > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 6 > > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:01:17 -0700 > > > From: "Allene Goforth" <agoforth@moscow.com> > > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > > To: <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > > > Message-ID: <E076E66C1D9349AB8306B5A928DEF1CF@AllenePC> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > > reply-type=original > > > > > > Bernard, > > > > > > In addition to the good advice you have already received, If you look in > > > the > > > M222 message archives, there is a wonderful series of posts from someone > > > on > > > how to do Irish research. She provided this information sometime over the > > > past year, but I can't remember who she is right now. Maybe she'll see > > > this > > > message and step forward to identify herself. > > > > > > Good luck with your research. > > > > > > Allene > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > End of DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 229 > > > ****************************************** > > > > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hello Faith, You said the same in 2010: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/dna-r1b1c7/2010-08/1281060984 and I and several others did our best to get you started although you never said anything in response. Your 2007 question was also answered fully http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/dna-r1b1c7/2007-08/1187796649 You will find people on the list only too happy to try and answer your questions as long as you actually ask them. Did you follow up the information from 2010? Was it useful? If not tell us what you still don't understand. (The tutorials I posted aren't available anymore but you can read it on the Web archive at http://web.archive.org/web/20090416143006/http://www.dnaheritage.com/tutorial1.asp). Of course we don't have all the answers, if we did there would be no point in the list. regards Iain http://www.kennedydna.com > From: ehouse@theedge.ca > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:59:30 -0600 > Subject: [R-M222] New to DNA > > New to DNA > I too have been on this site for a few years, I could write on a postage > stamp what I have learned but I keep trying. Perhaps some of the "know its" > could help us who "don't understand" along by explaining things in simpler > language. I personally think it would make this list a lot more interesting > Faith > R1b1c > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <dna-r1b1c7-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 5:01 PM > Subject: DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 229 > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Keilty surname research (Bernard Keilty) > > 2. Re: Keilty surname research (Uncle Billy Dunbar) > > 3. Re: Keilty surname research (Bob Quinn) > > 4. Re: Keilty surname research (tuulen) > > 5. Re: Keilty surname research (John Carey) > > 6. Re: Keilty surname research (Allene Goforth) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 10:52:29 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> > > Subject: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > To: "DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com" <DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: > > <1311875549.26062.YahooMailNeo@web121514.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > Hello,?I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am > > new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know what > > to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to read > > the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family history for just a > > few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > > ? > > I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family from > > Ireland. > > I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was supposed > > to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to the USA abt > > 1860 settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > > Michael Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 > > and buried Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, > > Connecticut, 06795 USA. Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese > > of Armagh. Michael was Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick > > Keilty (1810-) and Catherine McShane (1818-) from Ireland. > > Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is not > > known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine children and > > raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 > > USA. > > I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. Some > > of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy include > > Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, Ireland), Dubauskas > > (from Lithuania). > > If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > > someone it would be greatly appreciated. > > I would be pleased to provide any further information. > > Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > > ytliekb@yahoo.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:00:18 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Uncle Billy Dunbar <countryunplugged@aol.com> > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > To: ytliekb@yahoo.com, dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <8CE1B6FB9FD5CD3-15D0-6684@Webmail-d108.sysops.aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Well lot's of luck Bernard, but I think your barking up the wrong tree on > > this site. I haven't learned a thing in the 2 or 3 years on here, you > > have to be a expert or more then you think you know to argue about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> > > To: DNA-R1B1C7 <DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thu, Jul 28, 2011 12:53 pm > > Subject: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > > > > > Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am > > new to > > NA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know what to do > > with > > ll of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to read the > > tutorials. I > > ave been researching Keilty family history for just a few years here in > > the USA > > paperwork genealogy). > > > > am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family from > > reland. > > do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was supposed > > to > > ave come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to the USA abt 1860 > > ettling in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. Michael > > Keilty > > as born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 and buried Mt St > > James > > emetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. Possibly > > from > > he parish of Kildress and diocese of Armagh. Michael was Catholic and his > > arents are possibly Patrick Keilty (1810-) and Catherine McShane (1818-) > > from > > reland. > > ichael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is not > > known > > hether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine children and raised > > their > > amily in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > > am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. Some of > > the > > ther surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy include Keilty, > > McShane, > > uinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, Ireland), Dubauskas (from Lithuania). > > f anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > > someone it > > ould be greatly appreciated. > > would be pleased to provide any further information. > > ernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > > tliekb@yahoo.com > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > > ------------------------------ > > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com > > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > > of > > he message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:34:24 -0400 > > From: Bob Quinn <raaq@live.com> > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > To: <ytliekb@yahoo.com>, <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <BLU128-W18A14BFD0155820ABD8AACA0340@phx.gbl> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > Hi, Bernard. I am in the M222 and Quinn projects on FTDNA and feeling my > > way around. Give me a little time to better digest your note.My Family > > Tree is Quinn/Woods on Ancestry.com. Bernard Quinn, my GGGF came to > > Philadelphia from Armagh with his wife Elizabeth Murphy Quinn and their > > son, my GGF Arthur Quinn in about 1870.My Mother's Woods family is from > > Castleblayney and came to Philadelphia at about the same time.Takes a lot > > of digging, for sure. Regards, Bob > > > > Bob Quinn > > President&CEO > > Quinn Specialty Chemical Consultants > > > > Partner at Bay Street Investors/Bay Street Partners > > Co-Chair ACS GCI Manufacturer's Roundtable > > 27 Langton Lane > > Newtown Square, Pa, 19073 > > T:610-331-4920 > > e-mail:raaq@live.com > > Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobquinnspecialtychemicals > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 10:52:29 -0700 > >> From: ytliekb@yahoo.com > >> To: DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > >> > >> Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am > >> new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know what > >> to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to > >> read the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family history for > >> just a few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > >> > >> I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family from > >> Ireland. > >> I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was > >> supposed to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to the > >> USA abt 1860 settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 > >> USA. Michael Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) Ireland, died 08 MAR > >> 1923 and buried Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, > >> Connecticut, 06795 USA. Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese > >> of Armagh. Michael was Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick > >> Keilty (1810-) and Catherine McShane (1818-) from Ireland. > >> Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is not > >> known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine children and > >> raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 > >> USA. > >> I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. Some > >> of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy include > >> Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, Ireland), Dubauskas > >> (from Lithuania). > >> If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > >> someone it would be greatly appreciated. > >> I would be pleased to provide any further information. > >> Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > >> ytliekb@yahoo.com > >> R1b1c7 Research and Links: > >> > >> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:50:24 -0400 > > From: tuulen <tuulen@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > To: Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com>, dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: > > <CABbuTowXxHbsGh+H67qqa3BQqw=HXbazu9acfbwV7aisvfNV=Q@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Hi, Bernard, > > > > I am new to DNA-based family research, too. > > > > DNA can reveal many clues leading to useful information, but the immediate > > difficulty is that nobody's family name has DNA. History books can tell > > us > > about ancient families, their names and the general area where they lived, > > but, because names have no DNA, discovering any connection which may or > > may > > not exist between any of our names and those names of the past becomes a > > matter of developing a well researched and accurate paper-trail based on > > the > > best information available. > > > > Then, as you may already know, individual and family records often can be > > found, both in Ireland and in the US, from about the mid-19th century and > > later, but earlier than that time becomes more random and records which do > > exist sometimes can be confusing or misleading. And going back a few > > hundred years could in many cases be extremely difficult or impossible. > > > > That is a fact which we all face. It is worthwhile to keep searching, but > > be prepared for difficulties, to the extent of being big challenges. For > > instance, my cousin is our family's historian, and it has taken him now > > more > > than 14 years to discover when our great-great-grandfather was born, but > > we > > still do not know where he was born. > > > > I wish you the best of good luck in your search! > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I am > >> new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't know what > >> to > >> do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us customers to read > >> the > >> tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family history for just a few > >> years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > >> > >> I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family from > >> Ireland. > >> I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was > >> supposed > >> to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to the USA abt > >> 1860 > >> settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. Michael > >> Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 and > >> buried > >> Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 > >> USA. > >> Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese of Armagh. Michael was > >> Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick Keilty (1810-) and > >> Catherine > >> McShane (1818-) from Ireland. > >> Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is not > >> known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine children and > >> raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 > >> USA. > >> I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. Some > >> of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy include > >> Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, Ireland), Dubauskas > >> (from Lithuania). > >> If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > >> someone it would be greatly appreciated. > >> I would be pleased to provide any further information. > >> Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > >> ytliekb@yahoo.com > >> R1b1c7 Research and Links: > >> > >> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 18:04:32 -0400 > > From: "John Carey" <johnca@quickclic.net> > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > To: <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <000001cc4d72$5496a0f0$fdc3e2d0$@quickclic.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Bernard > > > > I'm not sure what you have searched already. I have some experience with > > what Irish records exist for the 1800s so I may be able point you at some > > resources but it isn't really connected to DNA so perhaps we should > > connect > > off-list. > > > > I did a quick search and found Michael and Sarah in the 1900 U.S. census > > for > > Watertown, Litchfield, along with eight of their children, a > > daughter-in-law > > and a grandchild. That census is useful because it contains some other > > information. It says that Michael was born in April 1845 and Sarah in > > March 1855, that they had been married 29 years and that they had nine > > children, all of whom were still living in 1900. Michael says that he > > immigrated in 1855 so it looks like they must have married in the U.S. > > Michael also indicates that he is a naturalized citizen, so you might want > > to look for his naturalization papers. However, in other censuses, the > > birthdate implied from the age he gave is 1840 (1870), 1840 (1880) and > > 1835 > > (1910). > > > > Griffith's Valuation for Ireland lists 58 Keiltys in Ireland, of whom more > > than one third are in Tyrone. The only Michaels in Tyrone were in > > Kildress > > parish in the Barony of Dungannon but these are unlikely to have been your > > Michael since Griffith did his valuation around 1850 and your Michael was > > likely too young to have owned or been leasing land. > > > > John Carey > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of tuulen > > Sent: July-28-11 4:50 PM > > To: Bernard Keilty; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > > > Hi, Bernard, > > > > I am new to DNA-based family research, too. > > > > DNA can reveal many clues leading to useful information, but the immediate > > difficulty is that nobody's family name has DNA. History books can tell > > us > > about ancient families, their names and the general area where they lived, > > but, because names have no DNA, discovering any connection which may or > > may > > not exist between any of our names and those names of the past becomes a > > matter of developing a well researched and accurate paper-trail based on > > the > > best information available. > > > > Then, as you may already know, individual and family records often can be > > found, both in Ireland and in the US, from about the mid-19th century and > > later, but earlier than that time becomes more random and records which do > > exist sometimes can be confusing or misleading. And going back a few > > hundred years could in many cases be extremely difficult or impossible. > > > > That is a fact which we all face. It is worthwhile to keep searching, but > > be prepared for difficulties, to the extent of being big challenges. For > > instance, my cousin is our family's historian, and it has taken him now > > more > > than 14 years to discover when our great-great-grandfather was born, but > > we > > still do not know where he was born. > > > > I wish you the best of good luck in your search! > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Bernard Keilty <ytliekb@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> Hello, I just joined the list and figured out how to browse/search. I > >> am new to DNA as well. I am really just a lurking sole who doesn't > >> know what to do with all of the dna info as of yet. FTDNA tells us > >> customers to read the tutorials. I have been researching Keilty family > >> history for just a few years here in the USA (paperwork genealogy). > >> > >> I am trying to identify accurate information about the Keilty family > >> from Ireland. > >> I do know that my paternal great-grandfather "Michael Keilty" was > >> supposed to have come from County Tyrone, Ireland and immigrated to > >> the USA abt 1860 settling in Watertown, County Litchfield, > >> Connecticut, 06795 USA. Michael Keilty was born 15 AUG 1838 (Tyrone?) > >> Ireland, died 08 MAR 1923 and buried Mt St James Cemetery, Watertown, > > County Litchfield, Connecticut, 06795 USA. > >> Possibly from the parish of Kildress and diocese of Armagh. Michael > >> was Catholic and his parents are possibly Patrick Keilty (1810-) and > >> Catherine McShane (1818-) from Ireland. > >> Michael Keilty (1838-1923) married Sarah Quinn (1854-1927), but it is > >> not known whether married in Ireland or the USA. They had nine > >> children and raised their family in Watertown, County Litchfield, > > Connecticut, 06795 USA. > >> I am interested in researching how far back the Keilty surname goes. > >> Some of the other surnames of interest from the paperwork genealogy > >> include Keilty, McShane, Quinn, Kelly (from County Roscommon, > >> Ireland), Dubauskas (from Lithuania). > >> If anyone could kindly point me in the right direction or refer me to > >> someone it would be greatly appreciated. > >> I would be pleased to provide any further information. > >> Bernard Joseph Keilty Jr. > >> ytliekb@yahoo.com > >> R1b1c7 Research and Links: > >> > >> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:01:17 -0700 > > From: "Allene Goforth" <agoforth@moscow.com> > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Keilty surname research > > To: <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <E076E66C1D9349AB8306B5A928DEF1CF@AllenePC> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > Bernard, > > > > In addition to the good advice you have already received, If you look in > > the > > M222 message archives, there is a wonderful series of posts from someone > > on > > how to do Irish research. She provided this information sometime over the > > past year, but I can't remember who she is right now. Maybe she'll see > > this > > message and step forward to identify herself. > > > > Good luck with your research. > > > > Allene > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > End of DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 229 > > ****************************************** > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message