Gallagher is another DNA match with Gashley Origins _Conall Gulban_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conall_Gulban) son of 5th century _High King_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_King) and _warlord_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlord) _Niall _ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niall_Noígíallach) The _clan_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan) hails from the _barony_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barony) of Tirhugh ("land of Hugh") near _Ballyshannon_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballyshannon) , _County Donegal_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Donegal) ,_Ireland_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland) . The derivation of the surname Gallagher is "foreign help" or "foreign helper" from the _Irish_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_language) gallmeaning "stranger" and cobhair meaning "help". It is a matter of conjecture whether this appellation denoted merely an ally of strangers from other parts or, as has been suggested, more particularly a collaborator with the _Norsemen_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norsemen) , who were in those days raiding the coast of north west Ireland. The family's origins are with the _chieftain_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chieftain) Aodh, a name corresponding to the English Hugh (whence Tirhugh), a lineal descendant of _Conall Gulban_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conall_Gulban) son of 5th century _High King_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_King) and _warlord_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlord) _Niall Noígíallach_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niall_Noígíallach) , known in English as Niall of the Nine Hostages, who is reputed to have brought _St Patrick_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Patrick) to Ireland as a slave. Aodh established his dunarus or residence at a place corresponding to the present day _townland_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townland) of Glassbolie in Tirhugh. The chieftains of his line ruled in relative peace for several generations until the arrival of the _Vikings_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikings) in _Donegal Bay_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donegal_Bay) in the 9th century. The ruling chieftain of the time, whose real name is not recorded, was almost certainly obliged to come to some accommodation with the foreign invader resulting in the nickname "Gallcóbhair" which has been applied to his descendants thereafter. [_edit_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gallagher_(surname)&action=edit&section=6) ]

DNA match with me .Gashley _Ancestors - aqwn07 - Generated by Ancestral Quest_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mrglenn/aqwn07.htm) 92. James McConnaughey Caldwell's History of Indiana Co., 1880, p.457 also a reference. McConnaughey Family, by J.R.Bassett, 1951, DAR SOURCE: The McConnaughey Family, photocopy in poss of Margaret Lezark, Garden Valley, CA. Glenn/Gorman Research Log #3 BIOGRAPHY: Grandfather James McConaughy, with his father, David McConaughy, 2 brothers, and 1 sister, came from North of Ireland, fully stamped Scotch Irish blue stockings, and settled in Franklin Co., Penn...it was likely before the middle of the last century.... There is a striking family resemblance throughout down to the 3rd and 4th generation, as now exists, between our family and that of David McConaughey (who was sheriff of York County). As far back as I can trace my grandfather James McConaughy, he married in the McConnell family of Path Valley and lived on a farm joining the village of Fannettsburg, 12 miles from Loudon on the Philadelphia Turnpike; was married about 1778 and his oldest son David was born Nov. 13, 1779. With 5 sons he moved from there to the center of Ligonier Valley on a 400-acre tract in 1800, and where there had been a noted tavernstand on the State road opened by Gen. Forbes in 1758. This was one of the great lodging places 3 miles from the foot of Laurel Hill. Through Grandfather's place was a half-mile horse race ground and once much used as the best in all the country. I think Grandfather never kept a hotel, but farmed, built a new house and planted another orchard near the old one, with peach trees all around.... James McConaughy was a man that did not talk much of what he had done, and only about things on hand, and with striking good sense.... He was stoutly built and heavy for a man of 5 feet 8 or 9 inches tall, of large head, and face with a kind and genial expression, a heavy head of hair inclined to be a little curly, and white as wool in his latter days, always clean shaven and no whiskers. It was the Blue stocking rule to shave and blacken boots and shoes on Saturday evening. My Grandfather's farm was in Path Valley, from where he moved to Ligonier Valley. His farm there joined the village of Fannetsburg, Franklin County, and had a fine orchard near the town. A neighbor ...once told me that when Grandfather left and sold to a German, that this man would not permit anyone to go into the orchard to carry off any fruit as my Grandfather did.... When James McConnaughy came to the valley in 1800, he had five sons of ages varying from 12 to 21 years of age.... He farmed and improved that tract of land, built a new house with one of those triangle chimneys of immense size as was common in those days and is yet standing, he also enlarged the orchard, but in 10 years after when all his sons had left to do for themselves, and his age approaching 70 years and only a half-grown grandson, Thomas Moore, to do his work, his farm got badly out of repair with several fields he had cleared, covered over with fallen timber. He then traded this farm to my father for a lesser one in good farming order on the Twolick Creek in Indiana County that his father (David McConnaughey the emigrant) had once owned, and that my father had purchased after his grandfather's death about 1814. After the exchange he (Jas. McC.) moved there and spent his last days, dying [after] about 10 years, as well as did Grandmother (Isabelle McConnell Moore McConnaughy), she dying a few years before him; also as well as did his father (David the emigrant) and mother (Jane Platt McC.) on the same farm. All 4 of these parents are buried in the churchyard of Bethel Church, Homer City, Indiana Co., Penn. James McConnaughy was not only a good farmer but a skilled mechanic. A good cooper, being able to make an excellent vessel from hogshead down to bucket; also a shoe maker. In all these things he trained his boys. He was, too, a complete fence builder of rails which he made straight and level as a line. He never used tobacco but would take a dram. He was very popular among the people of Ligonier Valley, and very like in Path Valley also. Many called him 'Uncle Jimmie'. He was a Democrat and active on days of election to see that people voted right as that was the popular and prevailing party of those times.... All his sons were powerful axemen. --Extracted from "Old Time Recollections", by Dr. Francis M. McConnaughy [James] served during the Revolutionary War as a sergeant in the 1st Battalion of Cumberland County Militia, Col. James Dunlap commanding, in the Company of Capt. Noah Abraham, of Path Valley, recruited in 1777. He continued to serve in the militia after the war, since his name is on "A Reurn of he Officers of Militia in the County of Franklin Saturday, June 30, 1792", as a captain. (History of Franklin Co., Pa., 1887, pp 183-4. Penn. Archives, Series 6, vol. 4, p. 110) --Extracted from McConnaughey Genealogy

I  just compared my 67-marker results  with the M-222 modal example ,  and found that I was 63/67 .  The one thing that I  noticed was  that I and other Lane's who have tested M-222 all have the same mutation a t the 389-1 and 389-2 marker which is 14-30 instead of the more commonly seen 13-29. I've been curious  about this mutation at that marker, and have wondered   does it signify anything, or is it  just a random mutation that all of us Lane's share ? I've found a few others in the M-222 study  that have also mutated at this marker, but it doesn't seem very common as the majority are 13-29. Is there anything to this? All the best, Chris Lane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Wade" <astronautix@gmail.com> To: DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 5:05:07 AM Subject: [R-M222] Meaning of 25-marker matches vs 37-no matches I tested M222 with 23andme and had previously had a 37-marker result from ftdna. Recently ftdna started putting a 'Niall of the Nine Hostages' graphic on my ftdna page. Aside from the fact that this whole Niall thing has been pretty well discredited recently, the issue here is that I have a solid match with the 'Niall' 25-marker modal haplotype in ysearch but it all falls apart when extended to 37-markers. Similarly, my ftdna matches in 25-markers show some 100% or 1 or 2 distance matches with individuals who have had 37 or 67-marker tests but these individuals don't show up in the 37-dys matches. I presume this means that there are so many differences at 37-markers that they don't even come close to being listed - meaning the 25-marker results are meaningless? Shouldn't ftdna not even list these 12-, 25- matches if it falls apart at the 37 level? -- Mark Wade astronautix@gmail.com  R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I tested M222 with 23andme and had previously had a 37-marker result from ftdna. Recently ftdna started putting a 'Niall of the Nine Hostages' graphic on my ftdna page. Aside from the fact that this whole Niall thing has been pretty well discredited recently, the issue here is that I have a solid match with the 'Niall' 25-marker modal haplotype in ysearch but it all falls apart when extended to 37-markers. Similarly, my ftdna matches in 25-markers show some 100% or 1 or 2 distance matches with individuals who have had 37 or 67-marker tests but these individuals don't show up in the 37-dys matches. I presume this means that there are so many differences at 37-markers that they don't even come close to being listed - meaning the 25-marker results are meaningless? Shouldn't ftdna not even list these 12-, 25- matches if it falls apart at the 37 level? -- Mark Wade astronautix@gmail.com

The former Albany Herald, Sir Iain Moncreiffe, wrote that the Robertson of Struan where from Cenel Conaill (he suggests Cineal Lugdach 'in Scotland', sames branch as O'Boyles and O'Dohertys, chiefs of Arda Midhair) of the northern Ui Neill. Tracing Clan Donnchaidh from the Comarba of Colmcille, i.e. the church family that held Dunkeld, Iona, Kells and Derry. Sir Moncreiffe tells that Robertsons decend from: Conan son of Henry Earl of Atholl, son of Malcolm Earl of Atholl, son of Madadh Earl of Atholl, son of Duncan I King of Scotland, son of Crinan Abbot of Dunkeld of the Kindred of St Columba. However following Sir Moncreiffe chart then we would expect MacDuff, Wemyss, Abernethy (negative) and Clan Chattan families also to be M222+. Plus the ancestors of Duncan I's brother Maldred, i.e. Dundas (negative), Moncrieffe, Dunbars (possible), Grey (unlikely), Washington (?) and Nevill. I should also point out a sizable portion of the Robertsons from Perthshire are not M222, so who are they?

I will caution you once again to be careful of this site. There are some very fanciful representations asserted on this site. There are many things lifted without citation or credit from works along with some wish-list fiction, misinterpretation, and opinion not based in any fact. Susan

_History - Irish - Scottish Roots - The McConachy Clan_ (http://themcconachyclan.com/Main.asp?_=History) History - Irish - Scottish Roots Abbreviated version Our ancestors were known as "Dalriadians" and left Cashel in 463 AD for the 12 month journey to Perthshire in Scotland, where they settled in 464 AD. The first McConaghy was registered in Perthshire in 1100 AD and this region of Scotland (Rannnoch) was the place where the original "Dalriadians" decided to settle. The Robertson Clan of Scotland is actually derived from a descendant of Duncan, our Ancestral Chief - "The Chief of Donnachadh Remhar" also known as "Duncan the Fat" with it's Gaelic name coming from "Clan Donnachaidh". Duncan's great grandson was Robert or as he was known "Reoch" , meaning "the Swarthy" . Others say his second Gaelic name was "Riabhach" , meaning "Grizzled". It was Robert's son, Alexander, who adopted the name "ROBERTSON" (son of Robert) which has been passed down ever since and so began the Clan Robertson. The historian, William F Skene , states that "The Robertson's of Strowan, in Perthshire, are the oldest family in Scotland, and are descended from the earliest Scottish kings". His descendants are well known for supporting their kinsman, Robert the Bruce, during the wars of Scottish independence which culminated in Bruce's victory at Bannockburn on June 24, 1314 over Edward II and his army. For the clan's part in that battle, Robert the Bruce gave the Clan the north part of the lands called Rannoch. It was a Robertson of Strowan who captured the murderers of James I and as a reward he chose to have his lands of Strowan raised to a Barony and took for his motto 'Glory, the Reward of Valour'. The Robertsons were intensely loyal to the House of Stuart and in 1652 the army of Oliver Cromwell attacked and defeated Scottish royalists. For safety's sake, due to religious or Tribal disputes, many of the clan took other forms of their name, like Connachie, MacConnachie, McConachy, McConaghy and many more. The name is derived from Mac or Mc meaning "son of", V' meaning "grandson of" and Connachie meaning "Duncan", and this is one of the many ways the name McConachy & its derivatives came into being. Some clans such as Connachie, MacConnachie, Maconachie, McConochie, McConachie & McConnachie , V'Conachie, etc stayed in the North East Highlands of Scotland OR the Northern regions of England. From these clans they have migrated to many parts of the globe including Australia, Canada, and America. The other Clan - McConachy originally settled in "Isle of Bute & Argyle" in Scotland which was very close to Ireland by sea. From this location it was common place for Clan members to move between the Isle of Bute & the Northern Ireland region. Between 1607 and 1640, many Scottish Protestant settlers moved to Northern Ireland after Londonderry was seized by James I and the land was made available for settlement to the English and Scottish. Some of our ancestors also moved to Ireland as farm labourers for their Scottish landlords. There are multiple ways that the name McConachy is spelt in Ireland and we have sighted documents that have the name spelt in various formats such as: McConachy, McConechy , McConaghy, McConaughey, McConnaughy, McConnaughey, McConahey, McConahay, McConeghey, McConkey, McConnaughty and another 50 plus names that we are aware of. We now have descendants of "Clan Donnachaidh" worldwide that have been providing updates on their clans and this mutual collaboration will assist greatly in developing / maintaining "the Clan" history which will include all derivatives of the "McConachy" clan. Over the coming weeks we will be making available some of the research documents for general reading. On this page we will incorporate links to these documents which you can download at your leisure. Downloads _A History of Rannoch_ (http://themcconachyclan.com/edit/pdf/A%20History%20of%20Rannoch.pdf) .15mb PDF Thanks to Margaret Schmidt from the US McKeeman Clan, a descendant of - Margaret Ann "Peggy" McConachy OR McConaghy for the additional early clan history prov

Is the surname McConnaughey related to McConnaughtey from Mac Connachtaigh? An old Breifney family, still well represented in Cavan. Flann Ó Connachtaigh was Bishop of Kilmore in the early part of the 13th century? (From Woufle's Irish Names and Surnames 1923.)

What are the different claimed descendants of Heremon? and who has the NW modal? Dal Cuinn (proven) & Dal Fiachach Suidge (O'Whelan: possible?) and descendants of Echaidh Fionn (O'Nuallain: proven) Ui Maine and Clan Colla (false members) Erainn people: Dal Fiatach (MacDunleavy: ?), (Clan Dedad), Osraighe (Fitzpatrick: false?), Dal Riata (the Scots: too few) and Corcu Loigde (O'Driscoll: false) Leinster: Ui Falgi (O'Conor of Faly: ?)

Bernard, my understanding is that the two spellings are variants of the same name. The Gaelic from which it is taken in Scotland is Mc or Mac Donnachaidh, and McC's have generally considered themselves as part of the Scottish Clan Donnachaidh. It is also known from the research, however, that those of the name were also affiliated with Clan Campbell. I asked Mr. Kelly who seems fluid in Irish Gaelic just days ago what the Irish Gaelic root is for the name, and I will quote his response: "Go raibh maith agat as do cheist, a Susan. / Thank you for your question, Susan. Ninsa, or Not difficult, as our ancestors would say. McConnaughey is usually a phonetic for Mac Dhonnchaidh, Son of Donnchadh, usually translated as Brown Warrior. Also, I should recommend Bell's Ulster Surnames, MacLysaght's Irish Surnames series, and Woulfe's Sloinnte Gaedheal Is Gall (Surnames of the Gaeil and the Gaill). These are excellent books in English which almost always provide good information on original names, locations, and more. Go raibh sé sin cabhrach. / Hope that's helpful."

Is the surname McConnaughey related to McConnaughtey from Mac Connachtaigh? An old Breifney family, still well represented in Cavan. Flann Ó Connachtaigh was Bishop of Kilmore in the early part of the 13th century? (From Woufle's Irish Names and Surnames 1923.) > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:20:53 -0400 > From: chantillycarpets@earthlink.net > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > CC: dna-r1b1c7-request@rootsweb.com; gashley923@aol.com; lochlan@aol.com; weh8@verizon.net; tuulen@gmail.com; rreid002@insight.rr.com; bernardmorgan@hotmail.com; donmilligan@comcast.net > Subject: NEW THREAD DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 256 > > Indeed, this is what they say. It does seem a bit more complicated than > all of that, too which is all evidenced now by the M222 dna of the 14 > McC's who have tested under the Clan Donnachaidh project. > > 11 of the 15 fall into 3 separate M222 groups: > M222 Group A --Presently the largest group includes the 1 off model 392 > = 15, 389-2 = 28. This group of 5 also includes 1 current resident of > Antrim (anecdotal stories of this family include migration of 3 > brothers from Isle of Bute to Antrim during the plantation days). > 2 (of this group of 5) immigrant ancestors hopped the pond to PA during > the mid-1700's, while immigration time of the other two is unknown to > the project. There are 5 variant spellings in this group of 5 (although > with this name one should never classify by spelling). Of the 5 the off > model signature appears to be the oldest. > > M222 Group B Presently has 2 tested members and 2 spellings. 1 of the > two appears to have a signature older than the Nial group of 4 and older > than the A group of 5. Group A & B quite probably intersected in the > ancient past. > > M222 Nial Group has 4 tested members and 2 variant spellings considered > classically and exclusively Scot spellings of McConkey and McConchie. > This Nial group isn't even remotely related to the other 7 M222, > although there may be an intersection with the oldest of the Group B > signatures even farther back than that intersection with group A -- > maybe. As previously mentioned, it appears that one of the M222 group B > signatures is oldest among these M222. > > 2 different phylogenetic trees using two different analytical models > have been applied to these M222 McCs with the results about the same. > > The other 3 McC's of this project fall into 3 separate groups: > 1 is an R1b which is probably M222 but only 12 markers tested, and it > could be an on site Scotland sample as the project is actively testing > in both Ireland and Scotland. > 1 other McC is E1b1b1 male progenitor probably Roman, none the less the > issue were associated with one of the later known clans. > 1 other Mcc is I1 and has a signature similar to some I1 Robertson(s) in > the project. > > No genealogical relatedness has been identified among any of the McC's > in the project, and several have their genealogies solid back into the > 1st quarter of the 1700's. > > Now of further interest is the fact that McC M222 group A intersects > with Duncan Group B (also M222) of the Donnachaidh project. There are > too many close matches to count. This group consists of about 36/7 > Duncan, several Ashly, a couple of Davis (probably originally Davisson > of Davidson), Lawson, McAinich, McKinney, Gallagher, Mann, Murphy, and > others and if I missed any not intentional. > > The McC's are interesting because as Mr. Ashley's note suggests the name > is affiliated with several clans and what the victorian era decided to > classify as septs. Those of the name marched with the Bruce, held > leadership positions in both Campbell and Robertson, held the deed to > Isle of Bute for over 300 years, and fled to (or back to) Ireland during > the 1600's remaining there to immigrate out. > > It is interesting presently among the M222 definitions as well due to > the fact that of the very small testing pool of 14 thus far 11 are M222 > but fall into 3 separate M222 groups. Statistically, I believe this > could be useful. I've been trying to sell that idea to John & Bill for > further research, but they have not become interested yet. > > Some McCs also remained in Scotland post plantation years to Immigrate > out or be transported out by the English during the 1700's as they were > annihilating the clan system. The name is yet prevalent in both > Ireland and Scotland today yet as a surname much in the minority to the > more popular versions more anglicized such as Duncan which is actually a > Saxon derivative, Robertson, Reid, etc -- and surname usage is another > topic. Hard to find any 2 McCs who spell their name the same sometimes > even in the same genetically related family. Susan > > On 8/20/2011 8:48 AM, dna-r1b1c7-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. A book on Ulster surnames, found at the Carnegie Library in > > Pittsburgh (GAshley923@aol.com) > > 2. Re: A book on Ulster surnames, found at the Carnegie Library > > in Pittsburgh (tuulen) > > 3. Re: DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 255 M222 (Robert Reid) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:11:42 EDT > > From: GAshley923@aol.com > > Subject: [R-M222] A book on Ulster surnames, found at the Carnegie > > Library in Pittsburgh > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID:<136c3.6491a871.3b80f06e@aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > > > The history of this ancient Perthshire family traces its ancestry as a > > family of > > Dalriadian origin before the year 1100 and appears first in the ancient > > records > > in Perthshire. A book on Ulster surnames, found at the Carnegie Library in > > Pittsburgh, gives the following information on the name: (please forgive > > me for > > not keeping the book name for reference) ???The MacConaghy, MacConkey, > > MacDonagh, > > Donaghy and Duncan names all stem from the Scots and Irish Gaelic personal > > name > > Donnchadh, meaning ???brown warrior??? (from donn and cath). This gives > > the personal > > names Donagh in Ireland and Duncan in Scotland. In Ireland, the MacDonaghs, > > Gaelic Mac Donnchadha, are most numerous in Connacht where they are a > > branch of > > the MacDermots. A variant of MacDonagh in counties Tyrone and Derry is Mac > > Donnchaidh, which was anglicised first to MacDonaghy and then Donaghy. In > > Co > > Fermanagh, it is thought that most Donaghys descent from Donnchadh Ceallach > > Maguire, who led the Maguire conquest of Clakelly in the mid-fifteenth > > century. > > However, the Scottich Clan Robertson of Atholl in Perthshire was equally > > well > > known as Clan Donnachie, Gaelic Clann Donnchaidh, after its chief Fat > > Duncan > > (Donncha Reamhar) de Atholia who lived at the time of Robert the Bruce in > > the > > fourteenth century and led the clan at the Battle of Bannockburn in 1314. > > The > > MacConachies (also MacConaghy and MacConkey) were a sept of Clan Robertson, > > their family name in Gaelic being Mac Dhonnchaidh. (the ???h??? after > > the ???D??? makes > > it silent, thus sounding as Mac???onachie.) Also, after the 1745 > > rebellion, many > > members of Clan Robertson adopted the name Donachie to conceal their > > identity. > > There were also several MacConochie septs of Clan Campbell, one of which, > > the > > MacConachies of Inverawe in Argyllshire, descend from the > > fourteenth-century > > Duncan or Donachie Campbell of Lochow. The Clan Gregor MacConachies > > descend from > > the three sons of Duncan, seventeenth chief of MacGregor, by his second > > wife. > > There was also an old sept of Macconachies on the island of Bute. In > > Ulster all > > this becomes very complicated. As has already been stated, Donaghy is also > > an > > Irish name. Duncan, though a Scottish name used as an aglicisation of > > Donachie > > and MacConachie, has also in Ulster been used for the Irish Donaghy, as > > well as > > Donegan and Dinkin. MacConaghy has been noted as a synonym for Conaty, > > MacConaughty, MacConnerty and even Quinn. > > Within Ulster, MacConaghy and MacConkey are mostly found in Co. Antrim. > > Donaghy > > is most common in counties Antrim, Derry and Tyrone and Duncan in counties > > Antrim and Tyrone. MacDonagh is most numerous in Fermanagh.??? > > Some McConnaghy???s believe themselves to be Irish, some consider > > themselves > > Scotch. My theory is that, obviously, we can be either or both, > > considering that > > the area called Ulster included both Scotland and Ireland in ancient > > times, and > > MacConahy???s and variants are found across that land. Not to mention > > that many > > moved from Ireland to Scotland to escape certain wars. I think it is safer > > to > > say Scotch-Irish for most of us. > > Some variations of our name include: McConnaughey, McConnaughay, > > McConaughy, > > McConnaughhay, McConahy, McConnahie, McConaha, McConahay, McConahea, > > MacConahie, > > MacConaghy, McConaghy, McConnaghy, McConaty, McConnaghty, McConachie, > > McConaghy, > > McConaghie, McConaughey, McConahey, McConahe, etc. > > This variety of spellings, above, does not confine itself to one particular > > family. Indeed, any one particular McConnaughy family, could be found > > under half > > a dozen or more spellings, so it is no good insisting that a name was > > always > > spelled a certain way. People often could not read or write, so had no > > idea how > > to spell their own name. It depended on the whim, or knowledge of the > > scribe who > > wrote it down, as to how it might be spelled. > > Should any of you have additional information on the name, or your > > particular > > spelling, please pass along the information so that we can share it in a > > future > > newsletter > > > > > > _http://genforum.genealogy.com/mcconnaughey/messages/190.html_ > > (http://genforum.genealogy.com/mcconnaughey/messages/190.html) > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:48:19 -0400 > > From: tuulen<tuulen@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] A book on Ulster surnames, found at the Carnegie > > Library in Pittsburgh > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: > > <CABbuToz9TDhhkcKgySwfQPFOsa3ZdoOX3gBjOZ2O17iSa=3aHA@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > > > Hi, > > > > Your name is Ashley? My maternal grandmother's name was Ashley, from New > > Bedford, Massachusetts. > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 7:11 AM,<GAshley923@aol.com> wrote: > > > >> The history of this ancient Perthshire family traces its ancestry as a > >> family of > >> Dalriadian origin before the year 1100 and appears first in the ancient > >> records > >> in Perthshire. A book on Ulster surnames, found at the Carnegie Library in > >> Pittsburgh, gives the following information on the name: (please forgive > >> me for > >> not keeping the book name for reference) ???The MacConaghy, MacConkey, > >> MacDonagh, > >> Donaghy and Duncan names all stem from the Scots and Irish Gaelic personal > >> name > >> Donnchadh, meaning ???brown warrior??? (from donn and cath). This gives > >> the personal > >> names Donagh in Ireland and Duncan in Scotland. In Ireland, the > >> MacDonaghs, > >> Gaelic Mac Donnchadha, are most numerous in Connacht where they are a > >> branch of > >> the MacDermots. A variant of MacDonagh in counties Tyrone and Derry is Mac > >> Donnchaidh, which was anglicised first to MacDonaghy and then Donaghy. In > >> Co > >> Fermanagh, it is thought that most Donaghys descent from Donnchadh > >> Ceallach > >> Maguire, who led the Maguire conquest of Clakelly in the mid-fifteenth > >> century. > >> However, the Scottich Clan Robertson of Atholl in Perthshire was equally > >> well > >> known as Clan Donnachie, Gaelic Clann Donnchaidh, after its chief Fat > >> Duncan > >> (Donncha Reamhar) de Atholia who lived at the time of Robert the Bruce in > >> the > >> fourteenth century and led the clan at the Battle of Bannockburn in 1314. > >> The > >> MacConachies (also MacConaghy and MacConkey) were a sept of Clan > >> Robertson, > >> their family name in Gaelic being Mac Dhonnchaidh. (the ???h??? after > >> the ???D??? makes > >> it silent, thus sounding as Mac???onachie.) Also, after the 1745 > >> rebellion, many > >> members of Clan Robertson adopted the name Donachie to conceal their > >> identity. > >> There were also several MacConochie septs of Clan Campbell, one of which, > >> the > >> MacConachies of Inverawe in Argyllshire, descend from the > >> fourteenth-century > >> Duncan or Donachie Campbell of Lochow. The Clan Gregor MacConachies > >> descend from > >> the three sons of Duncan, seventeenth chief of MacGregor, by his second > >> wife. > >> There was also an old sept of Macconachies on the island of Bute. In > >> Ulster all > >> this becomes very complicated. As has already been stated, Donaghy is also > >> an > >> Irish name. Duncan, though a Scottish name used as an aglicisation of > >> Donachie > >> and MacConachie, has also in Ulster been used for the Irish Donaghy, as > >> well as > >> Donegan and Dinkin. MacConaghy has been noted as a synonym for Conaty, > >> MacConaughty, MacConnerty and even Quinn. > >> Within Ulster, MacConaghy and MacConkey are mostly found in Co. Antrim. > >> Donaghy > >> is most common in counties Antrim, Derry and Tyrone and Duncan in counties > >> Antrim and Tyrone. MacDonagh is most numerous in Fermanagh.?? > >> Some McConnaghy???s believe themselves to be Irish, some consider > >> themselves > >> Scotch. My theory is that, obviously, we can be either or both, > >> considering that > >> the area called Ulster included both Scotland and Ireland in ancient > >> times, and > >> MacConahy???s and variants are found across that land. Not to mention > >> that many > >> moved from Ireland to Scotland to escape certain wars. I think it is safer > >> to > >> say Scotch-Irish for most of us. > >> Some variations of our name include: McConnaughey, McConnaughay, > >> McConaughy, > >> McConnaughhay, McConahy, McConnahie, McConaha, McConahay, McConahea, > >> MacConahie, > >> MacConaghy, McConaghy, McConnaghy, McConaty, McConnaghty, McConachie, > >> McConaghy, > >> McConaghie, McConaughey, McConahey, McConahe, etc. > >> This variety of spellings, above, does not confine itself to one > >> particular > >> family. Indeed, any one particular McConnaughy family, could be found > >> under half > >> a dozen or more spellings, so it is no good insisting that a name was > >> always > >> spelled a certain way. People often could not read or write, so had no > >> idea how > >> to spell their own name. It depended on the whim, or knowledge of the > >> scribe who > >> wrote it down, as to how it might be spelled. > >> Should any of you have additional information on the name, or your > >> particular > >> spelling, please pass along the information so that we can share it in a > >> future > >> newsletter > >> > >> > >> _http://genforum.genealogy.com/mcconnaughey/messages/190.html_ > >> (http://genforum.genealogy.com/mcconnaughey/messages/190.html) > >> > >> R1b1c7 Research and Links: > >> > >> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:48:41 -0400 > > From: "Robert Reid"<rreid002@insight.rr.com> > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 255 M222 > > To:<dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID:<000301cc5f37$7d8526e0$788f74a0$@insight.rr.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > Perhaps one of the best cases for West to East migration is Colum Cille > > (gaelic Dove of the Chuch, Iona - Hebrew Dove& Latin Columba Dove). I tried > > to put down my purported connection. Unfortunately the arrows did not > > transfer!!! So sorry. Adomnan (founder of Dull Monastery in Atholl) 7th > > century states Columba was the son of Feidlimid, and great grandson of > > Conall Gulban. We know he went to Iona ~ 563 AD and the Kindred of Columba > > (12 men who went with him, although a couple on his mother's side) were the > > ancestors of Clan Donnachaidh in the Atholl, part of Perth. These early > > Abbots married& had children in the kindred. I have Crinan (Kindred of > > Columba) to Alexander Robertson (who started the Reid sept ~ 1450 AD) > > straight back to Cenell Conaill. This is classic West to East from Donegal. > > As to the 2 epicenters of M222 in Ireland, my thoughts are that one was from > > the northern Ui Neills (16.7% Trinity study) and the other from the brothers > > of Niall at Connacht (10% epicenter Trinity study). No other epicenters in > > Europe. L21 ~ 4000 years ago in Gaul (France?0 and M269 ~ 6000 years ago > > around Causasus. M222 around 1500-2000 years ago NW Ireland. That the M222 > > did not start with Niall is evident, as his brothers present day clans carry > > M222. Thus Muighmheadoin could have been the earliest progenitor, but could > > be a few generations back in NW Ireland. That Niall spread the marker > > logarithmicly as did Ghenghis Khan (who like Niall was not the progenitor of > > his marker) was brought about by prestige& position as the Trinity report > > cites. As we know Columba was celibate but his kindred started the abbeys in > > Atholl and I am probably off of Crinan ancestry (Montcreiffe& Skeene - > > Crinan ancestor of Conall Gulban). I see no East to West from Scotland > > movement in Clan Donnachaidh or no steady state Ireland& Scotland modal as > > viewed by Campbell& some archaeologists. I think O'Rially's theory is quite > > plausible with the Q Celts. We know that Adomnan mentioned no Gaels in St > > Columbas' wanderings in Pictland but needed interpreters. So in my case, I > > got a good feeling about coming through Niall as do other Robertsons, > > Duncans& Reids who carry the M222 marker. > > > > > > > > Direct Paternal Ancestry of Robert Reid Y-Chromosome R-M222 SNP > > > > Eochaidh Muighmheadoin Son of Muiredach Tireach, King of Meath > > > > > > Niall Noigiallachd. C455 AD Niall of the Nine Hostages > > > > Conall Gulban progenitor of the Cen?l Conaill, King of Tir Conaill d. 464 AD > > > > > > Fergus Cendfota son of Conall Gulban > > > > > > ?Kindred? of Colum Cille (Columba) > > Sons of Fergus Cendfota: S?tnae, Feidlimid, Br?nainn, Ninnad. All four sons > > produced Abbots of Iona. St Columba celibate, son of Feidlimid Abbots of > > Iona 563 ? 700 AD > > > > > > Lugaid (Cenel Lugdech)? son of S?tnae, conjectured by Sir Iain Moncreiffe as > > ancestor > > of Clan Donnachaidh > > > > Abbots of Dull& Dunkeld, Atholl, Perthshire, Scotland 700-1000 AD ? direct > > paternal lineal descent fron Conall Gulban > > > > > > Duncan, Abthane of Dule, abbot of Dunkeld and Governor of Strathclyde b c920 > > AD > > > > > > Duncan, mormaer of Atholl and Abthane of Dule, killed 1010 AD at Battle of > > Mortlach > > where Malcolm II King of Scots > > defeated invading Norsemaen > > > > Crinan, Abbot of Dunkeld& Earl of Atholl d. 1045. Progenitor of Clan > > Donnachaid > > > > > > Duncan I MacCrinan, King of Scotland d. 1040 AD killed at > > Burghead. > > > > Mael Muire (Melmare) Mormaer of Atholl appointed c1100 AD > > > > Madach (Madadd) 1st Earl of Atholl d. 1145 AD > > Malcolm 2nd Earl of Atholl m. c1165 AD to Hextilda > > > > Duncan 3rd son of Malcolm 2nd Earl of Atholl > > > > Madach of Clunes (probable male line to Earls of Atholl) > > researcher Godon MacGregor) > > > > Andrew de Atholia > > > > Duncan de Atholia d. 1355 AD > > > > Patrick de Atholia, First of Lude > > > > Alexander Reid of Strathloch, descendants called Baron Rua > > ?Reid? > > > > Baron Reids - descendants in Strathloch, Perthshire, > > Scotland c1500 - 1750 > > > > Industrial Revolution movement from Perth to Renfrewshire > > > > Mathew Reid ? resided in Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland > > 1839 > > > > > > Thomas Reid ? b. 1839 Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland > > > > > > William Thomson Reid - b. 1869 Coatbridge, Lanarkshire, Scotland > > > > Thomas Reid - b. 1896 Longriggrend, Lanarkshire, Scotland > > > > Daniel Michael Reid - b. 1922 Youngstown, Ohio > > > > Robert Reid - b. 1949 Youngstown, Ohio > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > > dna-r1b1c7-request@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 1:56 AM > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Subject: DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 255 > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: j (Lochlan@aol.com) > > 2. Re: just to throw in another legend (Lochlan@aol.com) > > 3. Re: Speculations on Celtric Tribes (Bernard Morgan) > > 4. Re: j (Lochlan@aol.com) > > 5. Re: just to throw in another legend (Lochlan@aol.com) > > 6. Re: Venicones (Lochlan@aol.com) > > 7. M222 in Donegal (Lochlan@aol.com) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 22:08:40 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Lochlan@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] j > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID:<28c8c.535684e6.3b807128@aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > In a message dated 8/19/2011 4:46:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > chantillycarpets@earthlink.net writes: > > > > All you say is true, but, does any it have anything to do with the origins > > of M222. What we do or do not know regarding Ireland and the Irish of > > many cultures before there were nations all previous to the 5th century > > really has nothing to do with the origin of M222 except in answering an > > emotional question -- which is why is it so important for it to have > > developed in Ireland? > > > > Most DNA experts I'm familiar with believe M222 originated in Ireland. > > And the reason they think so (in the words of Ken Nordvedt) is "that's > > where the haplotypes are." Wilson (of EthnoAncestry) said much the > > samething in a recent book and interview, a small part of which follows: > > > > Wilson: This I think is a mark of a movement from Ireland to Scotland at > > some point in the past, rather long ago, because these are not men with > > Irish surnames. They have ordinary Scottish surnames that have been in > > Scotland for hundreds of years. > > > > Moffat: In other words were the Gaels either immigrants or were they a > > native people who spoke Gaelic anyway? > > > > Wilson: Well I think that the Gaels of Dal Riata originated in Ireland. > > And this is because > > we've discovered and characterized a marker, a DNA marker, so a piece of > > DNA that varies between individuals which we call M222. This is an > > incredible marker actually because about 20% of all Irish men carry this > > Y-chromsome marker. And when we look up into the north to Ulster it's > > over 40% - > > so it's extremely common and it shows all these people descend from one > > man at some point in the past. In this case we think know who the > > progenitor is. > > > > Moffat: Because Nial of the Nine hostages is a figure of some historical > > substance around 400,500 AD. that means people with his marker in Scotland > > have moved from Ireland and that's there's been a substantial migration. > > > > Wilson: I think that is the case. > > > > Wilson: I must say it's not entirely proven yet because we would need to see > > higher diversity in these lineages, more different subtypes in Ireland than > > we do in Scotland and that's not clear yet but I'm convinced with more data > > we willl see that and the case will be closed. > > > > > > That theory is not universally held however. Dr. Faux, also of EthnoAncetry > > at the time in 2006, said the following about M222 (then called R1b1c7): > > > > " 3) R1b1c7 is doubtless a recent mutation on M269 Y-chromosomes and is > > confined to those whose ancestry is traced to Northwest Ireland (although it > > may occur elsewhere as a result of migration, or if Spain or France perhps > > because the first M222 emerged there). > > > > The only other relevant theory out there among academics belongs not to DNA > > but to an Irish mythologist, O' > > Rahillyh (Early Irish History and Mythology). O'Rahilly believed the Dal > > Cuinn), ancestors of the Ui Neill and Connachta, were latecomers to Ireland > > arriving sometime between 300 and 30 BC. He also believed they came not > > from England or Scotland but from somewhere in Gaul. > > > > We\ve discussed this on the list numerous times before. O'Rahilly began > > his book with a chapter on Ptolemy's map of Ireland. Well over half the > > tribal names in Ptolemy's map are unidentifiable to modern scholars. There > > is some agreement of a few of the names, including that of the Ulaidh and > > Dal Riata in northern Ireland, the Brigantes in Leinster, the Iverni in > > Munster and a few others. O'"Rahilly found no references to a tribe with > > the name of Dal Cuinn or anything similar. In fact he said they should > > have been there by 150 AD. but were not. > > > > O'Rahilly discussed every tribal name that appears in Ptolemy's map except > > for one: the Venicnii.. > > > > Why he omitted this name is a mystery. It appears in every version of the > > map I've seen. In a minor footnote he even mentioned the Venicones of > > Scotland. > > > > O'Rahilly's theories are all wrapped up in linguistic divisions between P > > and Q Celtic. I have ignored these since few linguists agree with him. > > When you boil it down to the basics you come away with this: the Dal Cuinn > > > > as a tribe came to Ireland from somewhere in Gaul sometime during the Roman > > era in the British Isles. > > > > If you accept the connection between the Dal Cuinn and M222, and the > > possibility that the Dal Cuinn came from Gaul, then it is logical to assume > > M222 originated in Gaul and migrated west into the British Isles. Scotland > > would be the most likely first settlement; but they had boats and could > > have come to Ireland at about the same time. > > > > If anyone knows of any other theories on the origin of the Dal Cuinn now is > > the time to speak out. > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 22:14:34 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Lochlan@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] just to throw in another legend > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID:<28ea2.3cbfdf68.3b807289@aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/19/2011 5:43:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > cjl315@comcast.net writes: > > > > Is there any belief that M-222 may have come to Ireland with the Laigin? > > > > There is a DNA signature associated with the Lagin of Leinster but its not > > M222. > > > > _http://clanmaclochlainn.com/leinster.htm_ > > (http://clanmaclochlainn.com/leinster.htm) > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 03:17:45 +0000 > > From: Bernard Morgan<bernardmorgan@hotmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Speculations on Celtric Tribes > > To:<craig@mckie.ca>, dna-r1b1c7<dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID:<SNT128-W26919190363AA1F34ECBF6BB2D0@phx.gbl> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > > > > > Let follow some of Craig's words > >> Isolated individuals did not prosper or indeed long survive in the late > > Neolithic and the early Middle Ages. > > > > In Ireland the basic unit of society was the derbfhine (or variant), > > comprising all the patrilineal descendants over a four-generation group, > > i.e., back to common great-grandfather. The derbfhine held typical five or > > four rath/tech i.e. homesteads, which formed a Baile. Twenty Baile form a > > Tuath or Tricha Cet, the basic kingdom level. > > > > Population remains constant until such things as agricultural improvements; > > therefore population growth is a constant sum game, i.e. if the M222+ > > population expansion is at the expense of someone else?s male descendants. > > M222 population could expand territorially, however you have to wars and > > tribal politics, so a simpler method is to push the weaker members of the > > tribe to the edges. Smith shows this his book "Celtic Leinster". So non-M222 > > population is forced to marginal land or contested frontier, and so are in > > decline. (Probably also there male access to reproduction was a constant sum > > game to, won by those with great recourses.) > > > > How this applies to M222? Well M222 would have grown in a clump for mutual > > support and when large enough a clump breaks away and form new colonies. > > This organic grow is what is described in the branching pedigrees and the > > geographical movements can be followed in the annals. Hence have the > > information to know who should be M222 (if telling the truth) due to tribal > > claims. In Scotland this lack the annals its harder, yet there are Gaelic > > tribal descriptions. However the Clan confederation dominates our > > understanding of Scotland. Without the history and genealogical records we > > know little about origin of the Gall-Gael. I think the fundamental issue > > with Scotland is that no one have yet written the Gaelic history of > > Scotland, or as the Scots would have described it, the Irish history of > > Scotland?. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 01:21:50 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Lochlan@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] j > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID:<702de.6e38541f.3b809e6e@aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/19/2011 7:54:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > donmilligan@comcast.net writes: > > > > I understand there are some histories of Wales, written in the early > > 1900,that indicated some Irish raiders from the east central coast of > > Ireland came into Wales and some of them settled in Wales. > > Some of these Irish raiders were likely Celtic M-222+. Their descendants > > mixed in with the Welsh Celts, and spread all the way into northern > > England, southern Scotland, and northeastern Scotland. > > > > There's a fair amount about that in the literature. Google flight of the > > Deisi to find some of it. There aren't many specific Irish tribes named > > though. I think the Ui Liathain are another. There are also notices of a > > northern British tribe returning to northern Wales to throw out the Irish > > kings. And in Irish sources a statement that the Irish kings spent as much > > > > time in Wales as in Ireland. Nothing specific though. Nothing to tie in > > with M222 although you can't rule it out. > > > > > > The following is from Wikipedia: > > > > " > > The U? Liath?in are known from both Irish and _British_ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain) sources, respectively the > > _Sanas Cormaic_ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanas_Cormaic) _[4]_ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U?_Liath?in#cite_note-3) _[5]_ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U?_Liath?in#cite_note-4) and _Historia > > Brittonum_ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historia_Brittonum) ,_[6]_ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U?_Liath?in#cite_note-5) > > to have had colonies in _Wales_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales) and > > _Cornwall_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornwall) . According to the > > Historia Brittonum they were driven out of _North Wales_ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Wales) by _Cunedda_ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cunedda) and his sons._[7]_ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U?_Liath?in#cite_note-6) > > Alongside the U? Liath?in in this region of Britain were a significant force > > of the so-called _D?isi_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D?isi) , whose story > > is told in the famous _Expulsion of the D?isi_ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_D?isi) already mentioned > > above,_[8]_ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U?_Liath?in#cite_note-7) as well as a > > smaller population of > > the _Laigin_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laigin) . Neither are > > specifically connected to the U? Liath?in, or connected to each other, in > > any of the Irish sources, but collaboration can certainly not be ruled out, > > especially in matters relating to trade, including the slave trade. The > > D?isi Muman lived adjacent to them in the neighboring _County Waterford_ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Waterford) and the Laigin could be > > found not much farther east in the Kingdom of _Leinster_ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leinster) . > > The U? Liath?in can, however, be associated easily with their apparent > > relation _Crimthann mac Fidaig_ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimthann_mac_Fidaig) , the legendary _King of > > Munster_ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_Munster) and dominant _High King of > > Ireland_ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_King_of_Ireland) of the 4th century. > > They are mentioned not only in the same passage in the Sanas Cormaic,_[9]_ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U?_Liath?in#cite_note-8) _[10]_ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U?_Liath?in#cite_note-9) but are close > > relations in all the earliest genealogical > > manuscripts. > > In a 1926 paper, _Eoin MacNeill_ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eoin_MacNeill) discusses the movements of > > the U? Liath?in at considerable length, arguing their leadership in the > > South Irish conquests and founding of the later dynasty of _Brycheiniog_ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brycheiniog) , figures in the Welsh > > genealogies matching U? Liath?in dynasts in the Irish genealogies. He > > argues any possible settlement of the D?isi would have been subordinate > > until the ousting of the U? Liath?in by the sons of Cunedda. The founder of > > Brycheiniog, _Brychan_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brychan) , is in all > > probability the early dynast Macc Brocc (for whom see below), while the > > name Braccan also occurs early in the pedigrees of the U? Fidgenti and U? > > Dedaid, close kindred of the U? Liath?in. MacNeill further associates this > > with the sovereignty in Ireland and conquests in Britain of their cousin > > germane, the monarch Crimthann mac Fidaig._[11]_ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U?_Liath?in#cite_note-10) > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 01:28:41 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Lochlan@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] just to throw in another legend > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID:<703c6.745b14e5.3b80a009@aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/19/2011 2:26:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > pconroy63@gmail.com writes: > > > > I think at the very least that the current map on the project page should > > state that it just represent the area of greatest currently known > > concentration. I'd also like to see the Trinity maps displayed, and/or any > > of the other maps produced on other blogs/fora giving a much more extensive > > area of coverage. For instance there was a suggestion on the R-L21 Project > > some months back that parts of Germany may be up to 5% M222+, if that's > > true it changes everything! > > > > I put the Trinity M222 distribution map online. > > > > _http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/M222cline.jpg_ > > (http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/M222cline.jpg) > > > > > > There is no other such map available that I know of. > > > > As to German M222 there are quite a few in the databases. I just posted an > > old list I compiled years ago the other day in response to someone who told > > me he was Scandinavian M222. > > > > I haven't been able to update this list in the last few years. Ysearch > > times out after about 500 entries now. > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 01:40:56 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Lochlan@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Venicones > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID:<7054d.78aa4b40.3b80a2e8@aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/19/2011 9:43:03 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > bernardmorgan@hotmail.com writes: > > > > What family names in Westmeath (the center of the southern Ui Neill power) > > were tested for M222 in the Trinity report? > > > > The names Trinity tested can be found in their article _A Y-Chromosome > > Signature of Hegemony in Gaelic Ireland (Trinity)_ > > (http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/gael.pdf) and in the various > > spreadsheets they released to the public. They also did a limited further > > sampling of possible M222 surnames but kept the surnames tested > > confidential. I also heard from several Kavanghs who said they were tested > > by Trinity but the surname does not appear in any database released. > > > > Their website and data files are still online even though the project is > > over. > > > > > > _http://www.gen.tcd.ie/molpopgen/resources.php_ > > (http://www.gen.tcd.ie/molpopgen/resources.php) > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 01:55:23 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Lochlan@aol.com > > Subject: [R-M222] M222 in Donegal > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com, r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID:<7071e.6a457edf.3b80a64b@aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > > > I received an email from a co-admin of the Ireland DNA project on the > > subject of the Venicnii in Donegal. > > > > " > > " I read a book last year called: > > "Cen?l Conaill and the Donegal Kingdoms, AD 500-800" by Brian Lacey of the > > Discovery project. It was published in 2006 before the publicity about M222 > > hit the wires. His theory was that the C?nel Conaill/C?nel Eoghain were > > actually indigenous to Donegal and that they had written themselves into > > history as Northern U? N?ill for political reasons. Obviously the presence > > of > > M222 seems to negate this theory. But perhaps there's some truth in > > argument that some of the U? N?ill were already "Donegal natives" by time > > that we reckon Niall lived. In other words carried M222 -- just as men > > carrying U? > > Fiachrach and U? Bri?in names have tested M222+ > > > > > > Either way it's quite an interesting book as it covers the entire of Donegal > > during this period with mentions of the "Sean Tuatha" (the old tribes etc.). > > For example he theorises that the Cen?l Lughaidh of West Donegal name > > actually reflects a connection to the god Lugh (they control area around > > Tory island on coast), but in christian times it was refactor to be descent > > from man called Lughaidh who is put down as a cousin of Colmcille. > > > > > > Fair bit in way of genealogies mention from annals etc. > > > > > > _http://www.amazon.com/Cenel-Conaill-Donegal-Kingdoms-500-800/dp/1851829784_ > > > > (http://www.amazon.com/Cenel-Conaill-Donegal-Kingdoms-500-800/dp/1851829784) > > > > > > > > I haven't read this book myself but I have access to it in a library > > here. Here's a review someone posed on Amazon.com. I might take a look > > at it > > myself. > > > > "Brian Lacey offers an in-depth study of the Cenel Conaill and the Donegal > > Kingdoms 500-800 AD. The text has many b&w ilustrations and maps. The study > > is quite in-depth for the common layman but presented well. The author has > > strong opinions about the origin& genealogy of the Cenel Conaill but does > > not present a compelling argument in regards to his theory that Conall > > Gulban was not a son of Niall Noigiallach. I would have thought the author > > would have had more compelling evidence on Gulban than thus presented and > > was not swayed by his opinion and concur with the established Gulban > > genealogy back to Niall, although tenuous at best. In regards to Niall of > > the Nine Hostages not being the progenitor of the R-M222 genetic marker, I > > concur. Dr. > > Ken Nordtveldt calculates the MCCA of R-M222 at 1740 years ago in 2008. > > That computes to 268 AD, much earlier than Niall's supposed reign of 379 - > > 405 AD (more recent up to 455 AD). Of course this does not take into > > account a variance or standard deviation which was not computed. This > > places the progenitor possibly being Niall's father to up to his > > great-great grandfather (Caibre Maccormac d. 284). It is suggested that the > > progenitor may be a Cruithin Prince. This is unlikely as Niall's two > > brothers (Brion& Friachrae) through their respective descendents carry the > > R-M222 marker. Thus one of Niall's paternal ancestors most likely had the > > mutation. Anyway, Niall likely contributed most heavily to the marker since > > he was still pagan and had multiple concubines. Overall, a very well > > researched and scholarly presentation. However, the author's refudiation of > > some of the sons of Niall as not belonging to his lineage is at best weak > > and does not concur with the earlier records. In addition, recent R-M222 > > haplogroup DNA findings of surnames associated with Conall Gulban and the > > Ui Neill associated clans refute such suppositions presented by the author. > > " > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > End of DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 255 > > ****************************************** > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > End of DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 256 > > ****************************************** > > >

Yes, Mr. Ashley, this is my emigrant, and this information was gleaned off the internet and not submitted to this web site by multiple clan members. That you just sited was lifted from a Word representation of the book authored and privately published by Josephine Risser Basset, an extended and deceased relative of mine. It was published in 1951 with a limited offering of which I have a copy. Josephine was the niece of my gr gr aunt Elizabeth McConnaughey West, for whom in part I am a name sake as she was a favorite of my father (I suppose that dates me). Elizabeth had preserved all of the available family documents, anecdotal stories, lineages, etc. handed down through the generations. Elizabeth also privately published a little book about her father, David Platt McConnaughey, a grandson of David & Jane Platt McConnaughey, the immigrants ( I have original copy also in my possession). David, Jane Platt and 5 children McConnaughey did not sail 1750 -- it was about 1754/5/6 as the youngest of the immigrating children, John, was born in Ireland (Ulster) about 1754. They sailed out of the port of Derry; there is strong evidence that they lived in Donegal/west Derry previous to emigration. This web-site of your offering has posted a tree which is based on someones representation of Josephine's book and posted on the web anonymously. It is not Josephine's book but a Word written representation. I asked the owner of the web site where you found this to remove his compiled tree and the information as there are errors, problematic postings, lack of citations, among many other issues and it was down for a time. Recently he re-posted it there again stating that it is revised. There are errors in the trees reflected, thus I caution anyone viewing it to_*not *_take it authoritatively. This person has decided to claim being a spokesman for the name and asked none of us whose family's these various trees he has compiled belong for any kind of permission to use intellectual and other information which he had a woman here in the states snail mailed to him in Australia. The explanation she gave me when I confronted her with this was "He asked me to get and print everything I could find on the internet and send to him. This is exactly what I did." These McConnaugheys were the 3rd McC family into PA. In 1962 the McConnaughey Society of America formed up bringing together in the US researchers of the name, some of whom had in their possession research from as early as the last quarter of the 1800's, family documents from various immigrant families this one included, and the society continued research here, in Ireland and Scotland up until the year 2000 when the principle of the society died. I was a contributing member of the Society, and there were many others, many if most deceased now. Much of the research was sent to Ellen Payne Odum Genealogy Library; some of it remains with relatives of the principle. I have most of the publications of the research in addition to the annual bulletins and news letters. They are a wealth of information. Thank you kindly, Mr. Ashley for your interest. Susan McConnaughey Hedeen On 9/16/2011 3:00 AM, dna-r1b1c7-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. David McConnaughey, Sr., arrived in America in 1750. > (GAshley923@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:47:05 EDT > From: GAshley923@aol.com > Subject: [R-M222] David McConnaughey, Sr., arrived in America in 1750. > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<1c8e0.6b87becd.3ba369e9@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > David and Jane McConnaughey > _David McConnaughey Family Tree_ > (http://themcconachyclan.com/edit/pdf/David%20McConnaughey%20Tree%20V6.pdf) - PDF > REVISED VERSION OF THE DAVID MCCONNAUGHEY CLAN TREE > _McConnaughey - Pennsylania_ > (http://themcconachyclan.com/edit/pdf/The%20McConnaugheys%20in%20Pennsylvania%20V22.pdf) PDF 50KB > David McConnaughey, Sr., arrived in America in 1750. This date was > confirmed through two other branches of the family, James McConnaughey, a > Revolutionary soldier, and that of his younger brother, David McConnaughey Jr., who > died in the 1812 war. > Like many other Scottish/Irish emigrants, it was the treatment by the > English government that drove them to emigate from Ulster to America. Ulster > had become too prosperous for the English liking, as the Irish were able to > produce better and cheaper goods and cattle than England could. The Irish > were forbidden to trade with England's colonies and this lead to to the Irish > seaports veing ruined. This in turn led to land values dropping and > tenants becoming improvished. > Fortunately for the McConnaugheys, Ulster, being a more prosperous region, > has a system where a tenant on his departure from a holding had the > custusary right toreceive compensation for any imporivements he had made. This > system encouraged improvements, increased profits and made the Ulster > agriculturist more progressive than the southerners. This right to compensation > for improvement furnished many emigrants with a small capital making it > possible for them to emigrate to America. It is possible that this provided the > passage money to America for our branch of the McConnaughey family. > David McConnaughy settled in Path Valley, now in Franklin County, PA. In > about 1790, two, perhaps three, of his children moved up into Venango > County, Pa.,and then later moving southwest into Beaver County, Pa. The remaining > children and their families, together with the David Sr.and his wife Jane > Platt emigrated into Westmoreland County, Pa. in about 1800. Some settling > near Homer City on Two Lick Creek, while others settle in Indiana County, > Pa. A generation later both groups had lost all contact and knowledge of > each other. > The compilation of this genealogy is possible because of the historical > sense of the late Elizabeth (McConnaughey) West, who preserved the documents > and traditions of her grandfather, David McConnaughey, Jr., of Beaver > County, Pa., and to Edward L. McConaughy of LaGrange, Ill., who preserved, as > clippings, the writings of Dr. Francis M. McConnaughy, grandson of the > Revolutionary soldier, James McConnaughey, oldest son of the emigrant ancestor, > of Indiana County, Pa. > Special thanks to the many clan members from the USA who have contributed > the information contained in this tree. > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 296 > ****************************************** >

David and Jane McConnaughey _David McConnaughey Family Tree_ (http://themcconachyclan.com/edit/pdf/David%20McConnaughey%20Tree%20V6.pdf) - PDF REVISED VERSION OF THE DAVID MCCONNAUGHEY CLAN TREE _McConnaughey - Pennsylania_ (http://themcconachyclan.com/edit/pdf/The%20McConnaugheys%20in%20Pennsylvania%20V22.pdf) PDF 50KB David McConnaughey, Sr., arrived in America in 1750. This date was confirmed through two other branches of the family, James McConnaughey, a Revolutionary soldier, and that of his younger brother, David McConnaughey Jr., who died in the 1812 war. Like many other Scottish/Irish emigrants, it was the treatment by the English government that drove them to emigate from Ulster to America. Ulster had become too prosperous for the English liking, as the Irish were able to produce better and cheaper goods and cattle than England could. The Irish were forbidden to trade with England's colonies and this lead to to the Irish seaports veing ruined. This in turn led to land values dropping and tenants becoming improvished. Fortunately for the McConnaugheys, Ulster, being a more prosperous region, has a system where a tenant on his departure from a holding had the custusary right toreceive compensation for any imporivements he had made. This system encouraged improvements, increased profits and made the Ulster agriculturist more progressive than the southerners. This right to compensation for improvement furnished many emigrants with a small capital making it possible for them to emigrate to America. It is possible that this provided the passage money to America for our branch of the McConnaughey family. David McConnaughy settled in Path Valley, now in Franklin County, PA. In about 1790, two, perhaps three, of his children moved up into Venango County, Pa.,and then later moving southwest into Beaver County, Pa. The remaining children and their families, together with the David Sr.and his wife Jane Platt emigrated into Westmoreland County, Pa. in about 1800. Some settling near Homer City on Two Lick Creek, while others settle in Indiana County, Pa. A generation later both groups had lost all contact and knowledge of each other. The compilation of this genealogy is possible because of the historical sense of the late Elizabeth (McConnaughey) West, who preserved the documents and traditions of her grandfather, David McConnaughey, Jr., of Beaver County, Pa., and to Edward L. McConaughy of LaGrange, Ill., who preserved, as clippings, the writings of Dr. Francis M. McConnaughy, grandson of the Revolutionary soldier, James McConnaughey, oldest son of the emigrant ancestor, of Indiana County, Pa. Special thanks to the many clan members from the USA who have contributed the information contained in this tree.

>From Keating's History of Ireland: "In the reign of his nephew Art, Cuchorb, king of Leinster, was reduced to great distresses by the Mamonians. He applies to Eochaidh, who was a powerful chief, for assistance, and he promises to Laighseach, his Dalta, a large reward, provided he seconded his applications. Through the persuasions of this preceptor, Eochaidh raised a large army—the Leabhar-Lecan says, no less than seven Cathas, or 21,000 men— Laighseach being also a MacFine, and himself a great warrior, attended the campaign. At Athtrodan, or Athy, the two armies engaged, and, after a bloody conflict, the Mamonians gave way— In crossing the Barrow they were again attacked by the Leinster troops, and here Eochaidh lost both a son and a grand-son. In Leix they sustained a third furious attack, and at Ossory they were entirely broke. Cuchorb, now reinstated in his dominions, generously rewarded his new allies. On Eochaidh, and on his posterity he settled the seven Fothortuaths, from a surname of this prince so called, in the county of Wexford. The third book of Lecan is minute in its account of the descendants of this Eochaidh—from him proceeded the O'Duns, O'Locheins, and O'Comains—the O'Dermods, O'Meathus, O'Luighneach, &c. &c. O'Nuallans were the chiefs of this stock for many generations."

Bernard, Also found this book: http://www.archive.org/stream/irishpedigreeso01ohagoog/irishpedigreeso01ohagoog_djvu.txt 31. Breasal, son of Briun, son of Rochraidhe (or Rory). In this Breasal's time a numerous colony of the Her- emonian sept poured into Ulster, overcame the natives, and forced a great part of the country from them; where they settled and called *Dal Fiatach* (from their leader Fiatach Fionn), whereof the chiefs were styled kings, and sometimes of all Ulster ; and there continued for some generations, till at length they were extirpated by the natives ; when some of them settled in *Laeighis (or Leix), now the Queen's County ; and some of them in Munster.* On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Bernard Morgan <bernardmorgan@hotmail.com>wrote: > > >From Keating's History of Ireland: > "In the reign of his nephew Art, Cuchorb, king of Leinster, was reduced to > great distresses by the Mamonians. He applies to Eochaidh, who was a > powerful chief, for assistance, and he promises to Laighseach, his Dalta, a > large reward, provided he seconded his applications. Through the persuasions > of this preceptor, Eochaidh raised a large army—the Leabhar-Lecan says, no > less than seven Cathas, or 21,000 men— Laighseach being also a MacFine, and > himself a great warrior, attended the campaign. At Athtrodan, or Athy, the > two armies engaged, and, after a bloody conflict, the Mamonians gave way— In > crossing the Barrow they were again attacked by the Leinster troops, and > here Eochaidh lost both a son and a grand-son. In Leix they sustained a > third furious attack, and at Ossory they were entirely broke. Cuchorb, now > reinstated in his dominions, generously rewarded his new allies. On > Eochaidh, and on his posterity he settled the seven Fothortuaths, from a > surname of this prince so called, in the county of Wexford. The third book > of Lecan is minute in its account of the descendants of this Eochaidh—from > him proceeded the > > O'Duns, > O'Locheins, and > O'Comains—the > O'Dermods, > O'Meathus, > O'Luighneach, &c. &c. > O'Nuallans were the chiefs of this stock for many generations." > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bernard, That looks like the Smoking Gun in terms of connecting the O'DUNS - probably the Dunn(e) families. Note that "Laighseach" is most likely LAOIGHSEACH Also see this book: http://books.google.com/books?id=GzMwAAAAYAAJ&lpg=PA299&ots=2gMKg7A9cz&dq=Athtrodan&pg=PA298#v=onepage&q=Athtrodan&f=false Mention of Conary the Great (aka Conaire M/or or Conroy) and Ossary: http://books.google.com/books?id=GzMwAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA298&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U20yZtczhEeJiZI-ch4rnhKaYjZtw&ci=123%2C840%2C814%2C649&edge=0 <a href=" http://books.google.com/books?id=GzMwAAAAYAAJ&lpg=PA299&ots=2gMKg7A9cz&dq=Athtrodan&pg=PA298&ci=123%2C840%2C814%2C649&source=bookclip"><img src=" http://books.google.com/books?id=GzMwAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA298&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U20yZtczhEeJiZI-ch4rnhKaYjZtw&ci=123%2C840%2C814%2C649&edge=0 "/></a> Mention of Lugaid Laighis (aka LAOIGHSEACH, after whom Laoighis (aka Laois) is called: http://books.google.com/books?id=GzMwAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA299&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U1984Uk_3qfjMkt1FPgfHS5I21D4g&ci=66%2C979%2C800%2C506&edge=0 <a href=" http://books.google.com/books?id=GzMwAAAAYAAJ&lpg=PA299&ots=2gMKg7A9cz&dq=Athtrodan&pg=PA299&ci=66%2C979%2C800%2C506&source=bookclip"><img src=" http://books.google.com/books?id=GzMwAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA299&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U1984Uk_3qfjMkt1FPgfHS5I21D4g&ci=66%2C979%2C800%2C506&edge=0 "/></a> Mention that the descendants of this successful commander Laoighseach took the name O'Mordha (aka O'Moore or O'More): http://books.google.com/books?id=GzMwAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA300&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U2pX3oeFYX_-nUoxyrB2OrI8Gxn8A&ci=120%2C816%2C824%2C664&edge=0 <a href=" http://books.google.com/books?id=GzMwAAAAYAAJ&lpg=PA299&ots=2gMKg7A9cz&dq=Athtrodan&pg=PA300&ci=120%2C816%2C824%2C664&source=bookclip"><img src=" http://books.google.com/books?id=GzMwAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA300&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U2pX3oeFYX_-nUoxyrB2OrI8Gxn8A&ci=120%2C816%2C824%2C664&edge=0 "/></a> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Bernard Morgan <bernardmorgan@hotmail.com>wrote: > > >From Keating's History of Ireland: > "In the reign of his nephew Art, Cuchorb, king of Leinster, was reduced to > great distresses by the Mamonians. He applies to Eochaidh, who was a > powerful chief, for assistance, and he promises to Laighseach, his Dalta, a > large reward, provided he seconded his applications. Through the persuasions > of this preceptor, Eochaidh raised a large army—the Leabhar-Lecan says, no > less than seven Cathas, or 21,000 men— Laighseach being also a MacFine, and > himself a great warrior, attended the campaign. At Athtrodan, or Athy, the > two armies engaged, and, after a bloody conflict, the Mamonians gave way— In > crossing the Barrow they were again attacked by the Leinster troops, and > here Eochaidh lost both a son and a grand-son. In Leix they sustained a > third furious attack, and at Ossory they were entirely broke. Cuchorb, now > reinstated in his dominions, generously rewarded his new allies. On > Eochaidh, and on his posterity he settled the seven Fothortuaths, from a > surname of this prince so called, in the county of Wexford. The third book > of Lecan is minute in its account of the descendants of this Eochaidh—from > him proceeded the > > O'Duns, > O'Locheins, and > O'Comains—the > O'Dermods, > O'Meathus, > O'Luighneach, &c. &c. > O'Nuallans were the chiefs of this stock for many generations." > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 9/12/2011 10:02:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, bernardmorgan@hotmail.com writes: >From the Book of Ballymote: "Cuic mc. la Feidlimid .r. {68b} .i. Conn .c.c. o raiter Leith Cuind, & Cael a quo Caelraighe & Crinda & Croisine & Eochu find fuath nairt, no fuath nandhea & is uadh Fotharta & Fiacha suighe a quo na Desi & Fiacha raidhe a quo Corca Raidhe." Dal Fiachach Suighe descend from a brother of Conn of a hundred battles. That's a possibility for the Dal Fiachach of the 610 text but why would they have been singled out in the 800-1000 period as having a common origin with the Dal Cuinn? John

In a message dated 9/12/2011 8:47:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time, bernardmorgan@hotmail.com writes: So Dal Cuinn ancestor is the unknown "second Mil Espaine" and battle the Cruthin a seperate people in the north of Ireland. Now we known the descendants for Dal Cuinn are M222+ (i..e Northern Ui Neill, Southern Ui Neill and Connachta in general) then are the Dál Fíachach, who lived in the kingdom of Éle, a NON-Éoganacht kingdom in northern Munster (per the old-Irish-l archives) also M222+? O'Rahilly said the first MIl Espaine was the ancestor of the Eoghanachta. It's difficult to follow the text but the name tEugan Táidlech appears in both the origins legends of the Eoghanachta and the Dal Cuinn. As far as I can determine, this is another name for Eoghan Mor, the eponymous ancestor of the Eoghanachta. See the "Fitness of Names." The name is translated "Shining Eogan" in the version I found. And the text says that some say he was one of the mariners left in the land of the Amazons from which the Milesians originated. That's strange too but it's probably a reference to Scythia. At least one group of Amazons were said to live on the shores of the Black Sea near Thrace and north of Turkey in what was then called Scythia. The material you found though says Eoghan Taidlech or his sons led the Eoghanachta to Ireland. All this talk of Milesians in these origin stories seems to have nothing to do with the more familiar Heber and Heremon scheme. All I can think is the scribes were aware of the Milesian legends yet as O'Rahilly theorized, were also aware of more authentic origin legends. In my post I mis-typed Dal Fiatach for Dal Fiachach. That's what the text says. Which Dal Fiachach could be referred to? The Dal Fiachach mac Neill or a different group? It's interesting that most of the DNA I've found for the southern Ui Neill are for the Dal Fiachach (O'Mulloy, Goeghegan I don't know why either Dal Fiachach trive would be named. Why would they single out the Ui Fiachrach of Eile as sharing a descent with the Dal Cuinn? Another possibility might be this usage of Dal Fiachach is archaic. The father of Tuathal Teachtmar in the pedigrees is called Fiachach. Could that be a reference to a tribe descended from him?. If so the tribal name is non standard. I don't think I've ever seen it applied to the Dal Cuinn. 47. Cenél Cuinn gave battle, they broke upon them in a ship. For sovereignty had belonged to the Cruithni, and the final invasion fell to it [i.e. to Cenél Cuinn] on that northern shore (northern side?). This line seems to say the final invasion of Ireland (ie the Dal Cuinn) came on the northern side of Ireland. John

>From O'Hart: 80. Quintus Centibellis (or Conn of the Hundred Battles*) : his son. This Conn was so called from h undreds of battles by him fought and won: viz., sixty battles against Cathirius Magnus or Cahir Mor, King of Leinster and the 109th monarch of Ireland, whom he slew and succeeded in the monarchy; one hundred battles against the Ulsterians; and one hundred more in Munster against Owen Mor or Mogha Nua-Dhad their king; who, notwithstanding, forced the said Conn to an equal division of the Kingdom with him. He had two brothers, named Eochy Fionn Fohart and Fiacha Suidhe, who, to make way for themselves, murdered two of their brother's sons, named Conla and Crionna; but they were by the third son Airt-EanFhear banished, first into Leinster, and then into Munster, where they lived near Cashel. From Eocha Fionn Fohart descended O'Nowlan or Nolan of Fowerty (or Foharta) in Lease (or Leix), and St. Bridget, Patroness of Kildare; from Fiacha Suidhe are O'Dolan, O'Brick, of Dunbrick, and O'Faelan (Phelan, or Whelan) of Dun Faelan, near Cashel. Quintus Centibellis reigned thirty-five years; and by a stratagem was treacherously slain by the King of Ulster, A.D. 157. The O'Nolan DNA website says "Based on Y-DNA analysis of the Nolan DNA results Lineage III - Barony of Forth, Carlow Clan O'Nolan (Tullow, Kellistown, Ballon Hill, or the area of Templepeter cemetery) appears to be the original lineage of descent from Nualan or Nuallain of Eocha Fionn Fohart, the brother of Conn Céad Cathach (Conn Cead-Catha) or Conn of the Hundred Battles. Eocha Fionn Fohart was ancestor of Carlow Clan (O'Nowlan) O'Nolan. Unless, of course, another Carlow Nolan lineage emerges through future Y-DNA testing and the results prove a closer genetic match to the Northwest Irish (Niall of the Nine Hostages) R1b1c7 haplotype." http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/nolan/results As for Fiacha Suidhe descendants I do find one NW modal Wheelahan from Nenagh, Co. Tipperary and more NW modal Whelehans in Co. Laois.

Most think Tuathal mythological although O’Rahilly treats him as historical. The following account gives support to the Tuathal tale ~ 82 AD The following account appears in <http://www.tititudorancea.com> www.tititudorancea.com published 6 Oct 2010: “The island of Ireland was never incorporated into the Roman Empire. The fact that the Romans never occupied Ireland meant that Roman influence on Ireland was limited to contacts with Britain and other conquered provinces of the Empire. Roman historian Tacitus makes reference to an expedition to Ireland by the general Agricola in A.D. 82. He is reported in one passage to "have crossed the water", the water in context is unknown and perhaps is reference to some exploratory mission, however the remainder of the passage deals exclusively with Ireland. According to Seneca, Agricola was of the opinion that Ireland could be conquered with one legion and a moderate amount of auxiliaries, in all roughly 6,000 men. Reference is also made about an Irish king who had fled the island in search of refuge. Agricola provided him with safety in the hope that it may be a reason to possibly invade the island. The Ulster historian Richard Warner has theorised that the Midlands leader Tuathal Techtmhar, usually thought mythical, was in fact historical and went to Britain to get Roman support for his military campaigns (along with other later exiles). If there is any truth in this hypothesis, the Romans may have had a greater influence on the southeast of Ireland than normally thought by scholars. Overall, the relative lack of Roman influence on Ireland meant that it preserved its ancient culture to a much greater degree than continental countries such as Gaul. Irish tribal expeditions harried the Roman provinces of Britannia (Britain) and Gaul (France) as evidenced from surviving Roman texts. In the early first century, Roman and Greek knowledge of Ireland was thin. The geographers Strabo and Pomponius Mela describe a cold land inhabited by savages who feast on the flesh of their dead fathers, where, despite the cold, the grazing was so tasty and lush that cattle exploded if allowed to eat unchecked. By the second century, the geographer Ptolemy gave coordinates for a surprisingly detailed map of Ireland, naming tribes, towns, rivers and headlands. This information could have come from a variety of sources but does demonstrate the increasing knowledge and interest in Ireland. Irish written history does not mention Rome at all. If Rome is referred to by some other name, no one has yet put a convincing case forward. However, the lack of written history does not mean that Rome or the Roman province of Britannia did not significantly interact with Ireland. Archaeologists have found an enormous fort complex at Chester (Deva Victrix) in northwest England that may have been planned as a centre to rule the islands, or as a military base to deter Irish invasions. Ireland and its neighbours From early in the archaeological record, the peoples of North West Europe, including Britain, Gaul, Spain and Ireland had mutually warred, traded and settled. Significant British settlement in the Southwest of Ireland occurred around year 1. Ptolemy, in 100s, records Irish tribal names identical to those of tribes in Gaul and Britain, suggesting significant settlement, particularly of the Brigantes and Belgae. At this time Ireland, western and central Europe was home to several Celtic peoples, with their associated Celtic religion, supervised by the Druids. In Ireland and Britain, a number of historians have argued that its peoples shared a broadly similar Celtic heritage. The Isle of Anglesey, Welsh Ynys Môn, was the centre of the Druidic religion, just across the Irish Sea from Ireland. Other historians, however, has disputed that such a homogeneous group existed. Transport and communication was often along rivers and coasts, with the Irish Sea being a part of this network. When Julius Caesar briefly invaded southern England in 54 BC, he received the submission of many tribes, including that of the Orcadians in the Orkney Islands, north of Scotland. Communications could be long distance, but whether any Irish knew of the Romans at this time is uncertain.Rome often projected its power beyond its boundaries. Beyond the West coast of Britannia was the Irish Sea, with many easy crossings, and many distinctive mountain landmarks to ease navigation. The spread of Roman power to Ireland's neighbours would have had significant effects on Ireland. By 51 BC French Gaul had been conquered by the Romans, with the permanent garrisoning of Britain starting after the second invasion in 43. England and Wales would remain within the Roman Empire for another 350 years. Revolts by the newly subjugated British tribes may have increased settlement from Britain to Ireland and reduced settlement in the other direction. Events such as the destruction of the druidic shrine and sacred groves at Anglesey in 60 by the Roman general Suetonius Paulinus would have been noticed in Ireland. Evidence of Roman influence Four centuries of Roman presence in Roman Britain were related to ancient Hibernia with a continuous trade and commerce, even if in a very small scale. Geographer Ptolomy in the second century made a map of Hibernia full of data on rivers, mountains and people demonstrating a knowledge of the island that could have been originated even from the presence in Hibernia of Roman explorers/traders living in small trading places of the Ireland's south and eastern coast. Generally in Ireland, Roman material is rare and found in different contexts from the native La Tene material. No roads have been identified as being Roman, and no large Roman settlements have been found. However in the southeast of Ireland, where native material is rare, Roman-style cemeteries and large quantities of Roman artifacts have been found. A group of burials on Lambay Island, off the coast of County Dublin, contained Roman brooches and decorative metalware of a style also found in northern England from the late first century. However this could represent, for example, Brigantes fleeing reprisal from the crushed revolt of 74. Three places in Ireland have all produced early and late Roman archaeological material: the midland ritual complex of Tara, the northern hillfort of Clogher, and Cashel, in the south. Tara and Clogher have no native finds of similar age. Each of the three became capital of a new kingdom, and each kingdom's traditions place their origins in Britain. British settlers whose arrival would explain those traditions could have been either supported by, or fleeing from, Roman influence. At Drumanagh, 25 km north of Dublin, a large (200,000 m²) site was identified in 1995 as possibly Roman. Consisting of a peninsula defended by three rows of parallel ditches on the landward side, the site appears to have been a port or bridgehead. The Roman historian Tacitus mentions that Agricola, while governor of Roman Britain (AD 78 - 84), entertained an exiled Irish prince (may be Tuathal), thinking to use him as a pretext for a possible conquest of Ireland. Neither Agricola nor his successors ever conquered Ireland, but in recent years archaeology has challenged the belief that the Romans never set foot on the island. Indeed, in 82 Agricola "crossed in the first ship" and defeated peoples unknown to the Romans until then. Tacitus, in Chapter 24 of Agricola, does not tell us what body of water he crossed, although many scholars believe it was the Clyde or Forth; however, the rest of the chapter exclusively concerns Ireland. Agricola fortified the coast facing Ireland, and Tacitus recalls that his father-in-law often claimed the island could be conquered with a single legion and auxiliaries. This conquest never happened, but some historians believe that the crossing referred to was in fact a small-scale exploratory expedition to Ireland. Roman and Romano-British artefacts have been found primarily in Leinster, notably a fortified site on the promontory of Drumanagh, fifteen miles north of Dublin, and burials on the nearby island of Lambay, both close to where Túathal is supposed to have landed, and other sites associated with Túathal such as Tara and Clogher. However, whether this is evidence of trade, diplomacy or military activity is a matter of controversy. It is possible that the Romans may have given support to Túathal, or someone like him, to regain his throne in the interests of having a friendly neighbour who could restrain Irish raiding. The 2nd century Roman poet Juvenal, who may have served in Britain under Agricola, wrote that "arms had been taken beyond the shores of Ireland" and the coincidence of dates is striking. Roman coins have been found at Newgrange. According to Phillip Rance some tribes of Hibernia, called Attacotti (Old Irish term: aithechthúatha), from southern Leinster were Foederati (allies) of the late Roman Empire, and fought together with the Roman legions in the second half of the fourth century. Roman sources mention raids on Britain by two groups of people usually associated with Ireland, the Scotti and the Attacotti. The origins and meanings of Scotti and Attacotti is uncertain. Attacotti disappears with the Romans. Scotti means Gaels to Adomnán in the late seventh century, but not to Columbanus in the early sixth century, who uses the older term Iberi instead. The Scotti are perhaps a confederation of tribes in Ulster, and the Atacotti one in Leinster, but this is not certain. Tuathal Tuathal was, in the Irish myths, a High King of Ireland. He was the son of a High King Fiacha Finnfolaidh. His father was overthrown and killed in a revolt by the King of Ulster. Tuathal's mother, who was the daughter of the King of Alba (Britain at the time, because Alba became the name for Scotland later on), fled to Britain with her son. 20 years later he returned to Ireland, defeated his father's enemies in a series of battles and subdued the entire country. He became High King at Tara, in the center of Ireland. There he convened a conference where he established laws. He annexed territory from each of the other four provinces to create the central province of Míde (Meath). Four fortresses were built, one for each of the four areas of land. Some consider him to be the first real High King. The dating of Irish history/mythology is prone to error; however, the most popular belief is that Tuathal was exiled in AD 56 and reigned from around 80 to 100. Tacitus, the Roman author, tells us that around this time Agricola had with him an Irish chieftain who later returned to conquer Ireland with an army. Juvenal later wrote that Roman arms were "taken beyond the shores of Ireland." Excavations at sites linked to the tale of Tuathal have produced Roman material of the late 1st or early 2nd centuries. It would be consistent for Tuathal to have been that Irish chieftain.