The following Duncan are positive for df85 df97 167920 Duncan John Duncan, 1700's, Rothesay, Scotland 16729 Duncan 219530 Duncan W. Charles Duncan, b. abt 1780 d. 1815 Bob Doherty...that's great you've ordered Chromo2. I know that all will be very interested in your result, and more importantly, the results are important to R-M222 and to the O'Dochartaigh research. Susan Hedeen

Lest we forget with these announcements and assumptions: Present day residence and coalescence is not ancient origin; it more often than not is one of the symptonss of the end game population migration. Susan Hedeen On 11/9/2013 12:35 PM, Iain Kennedy wrote: > tweeted just now: > > Katherine H. Borges > þ@khborges > > > > > 36m > > > > > > > Dr. Miguel Vilar "Dozens of SNPs downstream from M222 found in Ireland" #FTDNA2013 > I have no further information than this and so can't confirm whether this is true or not. > > Iain > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> Fresh News from FTDNA Conference on M222 by Dr Miguel Vilar: > > http://www.surnamedna.com/?p=943

Just yesterday I went to my local bank to send payment to ScotlandsDNA for the Chromo2 test, but got delayed by the bank's need for clarification of international banking terms in regard to sending payment, yet all should get straightened out in the next few days. Once the order is paid, which should be soon, ScotlandsDNA then sends a test kit, which might take a week or so, then I fill the test kit tube with spit and then send it back to them, which might take another week or so, and then it could be another eight weeks or so for any results to be processed. So, at this time I am anticipating results by about late January. Doug Morrison FTDNA 196477 On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Robert Doherty <[email protected]>wrote: > I just placed an order for Chromo2 (C2RawYDNA) with Irelands DNA. > > Does anyone have an idea of the turn around time from ordering the test to > seeing actual Chromo2 results (assuming one returns the test kit promptly)? > > I sure hope BISDNA listens to Susan's plea for transparency between > testing entity labeling of SNPs. I would think that BISDNA could see some > benefits to themselves from the research and analysis that the members on > this site have already contributed to understanding how YDNA can be made > relevant to their customers who want to see how YDNA complements genealogy > efforts. > > Also, does anyone have any comment on the YDNA testing that Ancestry.com > is offering? I am trying to figure out what one gets for Ancestry's $99 > (USD) package that they are promoting to existing users of Ancestry.com and > FamilyTreeMaker. > > Bob Doherty FTDNA Kit 29142, M222+ df97+ df85+ > > Sent from my iPad > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Paul - A colleague from Icelandic Studies at the University of Manitoba had an interesting suggestion: Spelling in Icelandic is often case and gender specific. Therefore, a name ending in a soft "sh" sound might be mistaken as feminine, whereas changing the ending to a firmer "N" might indicate masculinity. Does that make sense? David On 2013-11-06 8:10 PM, "Paul Conroy" <[email protected]> wrote: >David, >I would pronounce it as: >Mwir-kjart-ok > >But Melkorka looks like: >Maol- ... as in tonsured, indicating a monk. So if female, a former >abbess? > >Btw, my mother in Ireland is showing some distant Icelandic relatives, >whereas my father has some Norwegian relatives - on 23andme. > >Cheers, >Paul

Once the lab receives your saliva sample you should get an acknowledgement from them. After that, the company says six to eight weeks. The lab got my tube about three to four weeks ago, and I am hoping for a report by early December. David Wilson / 8999 / M222 (but DF 85-) > From: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 17:18:02 -0800 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [R-M222] Chromo2 ordered > > I just placed an order for Chromo2 (C2RawYDNA) with Irelands DNA. > > Does anyone have an idea of the turn around time from ordering the test to seeing actual Chromo2 results (assuming one returns the test kit promptly)? > > I sure hope BISDNA listens to Susan's plea for transparency between testing entity labeling of SNPs. I would think that BISDNA could see some benefits to themselves from the research and analysis that the members on this site have already contributed to understanding how YDNA can be made relevant to their customers who want to see how YDNA complements genealogy efforts. > > Also, does anyone have any comment on the YDNA testing that Ancestry.com is offering? I am trying to figure out what one gets for Ancestry's $99 (USD) package that they are promoting to existing users of Ancestry.com and FamilyTreeMaker. > > Bob Doherty FTDNA Kit 29142, M222+ df97+ df85+ > > Sent from my iPad > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, A study of European languages can make a complete mess of spoken American English. My mother-in-law comes from a far-northern European nation and is college educated, but when she speaks English it does not sound at all like what might be expected. For instance, English is a four syllable word. Best, Doug On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Paul Conroy <[email protected]> wrote: > David, > > Sure, if Nouns change ending depending on gender in Norse, then that > certainly makes sense. > > In Slavic languages - Polish for instance - you will have a guy called > Sikorski, but his daughter will be called Sikorska. > > Cheers, > Paul > > > On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:06 PM, David Maclennan < > [email protected] > > wrote: > > > Paul - A colleague from Icelandic Studies at the University of Manitoba > > had an interesting suggestion: Spelling in Icelandic is often case and > > gender specific. Therefore, a name ending in a soft "sh" sound might be > > mistaken as feminine, whereas changing the ending to a firmer "N" might > > indicate masculinity. Does that make sense? > > David > > > > On 2013-11-06 8:10 PM, "Paul Conroy" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >David, > > >I would pronounce it as: > > >Mwir-kjart-ok > > > > > >But Melkorka looks like: > > >Maol- ... as in tonsured, indicating a monk. So if female, a former > > >abbess? > > > > > >Btw, my mother in Ireland is showing some distant Icelandic relatives, > > >whereas my father has some Norwegian relatives - on 23andme. > > > > > >Cheers, > > >Paul > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

David, Sure, if Nouns change ending depending on gender in Norse, then that certainly makes sense. In Slavic languages - Polish for instance - you will have a guy called Sikorski, but his daughter will be called Sikorska. Cheers, Paul On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:06 PM, David Maclennan <[email protected] > wrote: > Paul - A colleague from Icelandic Studies at the University of Manitoba > had an interesting suggestion: Spelling in Icelandic is often case and > gender specific. Therefore, a name ending in a soft "sh" sound might be > mistaken as feminine, whereas changing the ending to a firmer "N" might > indicate masculinity. Does that make sense? > David > > On 2013-11-06 8:10 PM, "Paul Conroy" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >David, > >I would pronounce it as: > >Mwir-kjart-ok > > > >But Melkorka looks like: > >Maol- ... as in tonsured, indicating a monk. So if female, a former > >abbess? > > > >Btw, my mother in Ireland is showing some distant Icelandic relatives, > >whereas my father has some Norwegian relatives - on 23andme. > > > >Cheers, > >Paul > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I just placed an order for Chromo2 (C2RawYDNA) with Irelands DNA. Does anyone have an idea of the turn around time from ordering the test to seeing actual Chromo2 results (assuming one returns the test kit promptly)? I sure hope BISDNA listens to Susan's plea for transparency between testing entity labeling of SNPs. I would think that BISDNA could see some benefits to themselves from the research and analysis that the members on this site have already contributed to understanding how YDNA can be made relevant to their customers who want to see how YDNA complements genealogy efforts. Also, does anyone have any comment on the YDNA testing that Ancestry.com is offering? I am trying to figure out what one gets for Ancestry's $99 (USD) package that they are promoting to existing users of Ancestry.com and FamilyTreeMaker. Bob Doherty FTDNA Kit 29142, M222+ df97+ df85+ Sent from my iPad

I'm sorry that the pedigree I sent was garbled in transit. Here it is in a better form. Irish pedigree: 1.Áed Finnliath, High King Flann Sinna, High King 2.Niall Glúndub, Aed's son, High King, married Gormlaith, Flann Sinna's daughter 3.Muirchertach MacNeill (Myrkjarten), son of Niall and Gormlaith, King of Ailech 4.MELKORKA,DAUGHTER of MYRKJARTEN, concubine of Hoskuldur Dalakollson, MOTHER OF OLAFUR HOSKULDSON Icelandic pedigree 1 1.Kveldulfur Hersir 2.Skallagrimur Kveldulfurson 3.Egil Skallagrimson 4.Thorgerdur Egilsdottir, wife of OLAFUR HOSKULDSON who was the son of MELKORKA 5.Thorbjorg Olafursdottir m Asgeir Knattarson 6.Kristjan Asgeirson 7.Thorvaldur Kristjanson 8.Thordur Thorvaldson 9.Snorri Thordarson died 1193 David

Dear Brian, I think we are all waiting for the testing process. For the groups who discuss these things with me, beyond confirmations of their orders, etc. as far as I know there has been no further news on that front. If any have contacted BISDNA for further clarifications on the private labeled SNPs, it has not been mentioned beyond what Sandy has posted. On that front, the private labeling of previously known SNPs is an issue I believe that at least the GG community among others should address with BISDNA; that said, they may not be the only DTC company that participates in this type of IMO description of consumer deception; but they are well known for it. There has been some worry that previously considered more transparent operating companies such as FTDNA may resort to the practice as well due to competition pressure. Understandably, the nature of DTC competitiveness in light of the fact that certain companies will private label SNPs regardless without sharing details is a possible justification for entering into the same form of behavior; however, I do hope that they do not and continue with at least the known transparency we perceive is there; many have advocated directly that they do continue with transparency. I would think that the ISOGG could be helpful in this regard by insisting that those companies that continue to private label SNPs provide full disclosure previous to having their private label SNPs listed on the phylogenetic tree. Although there are evidences of the "crossover" labels on the tree, there has been a lag from those most notorious in private labeling to provide these disclosures to the public and their customers as well. The complications which arise from the private labeling of previously known SNPs for the DTC consumer is that it is nearly impossible to know what SNPs are being tested by the competing companies, that is we may know from their private labels only without knowing whether or not the same snps are in packages of other companies; hence product research prior to purchase is greatly diminished. These companies should not be treating SNPs the same as mattresses. Anyone try to compare mattresses? which are among the most notorious areas of this private labeling scheme. Furthermore in terms of our pursuits in genetic genealogy, the matter is confusing at least when testing with more than one company in these investigations. Such is the case for those who have primarily tested their Y with FTDNA to move onto investigations with BIS because it appears their package includes SNPs which may not be offered by FTDNA. But do we know that with any certainty? It has been represented as such, but IMO I do not believe that we actually know. What we know with some certainty is that the 1 private labeled SNP S675 is in fact what we know by the real name df85. There very well could be others, but they have not revealed whether there are or are not. We have the representations made by Sandy, and I assume that Sandy got that from BIS yet I was still unclear after reading the wording of the post. While this sort of private labeling occurs in nearly every industry in regard to manufactured products, genetic material technically would not fall under that scheme; and why this private labeling of SNPs has been tolerated by the more knowledgeable consumer base, the bloggers, journals and the scientific community at large IMO is a matter of confused ethical standards if nothing else. In view of the recent rulings regarding the patenting of the BRCA gene and extrapolations thereof, it could be argued that this private labeling could be considered an extension of the issue regarding this patenting effort, and that a stop to it is in order. Susan Hedeen On 11/7/2013 3:00 PM, Brian Callahan wrote: > > > It has been a number of weeks since we first got a glimpse of the SNPs below M222 as provided by Jim Wilson through his diagram. Since then quite a few on this list have ordered Cromo2. Has there been any further updated information from ScotlandsDNA on further results? Thanks > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It has been a number of weeks since we first got a glimpse of the SNPs below M222 as provided by Jim Wilson through his diagram. Since then quite a few on this list have ordered Cromo2. Has there been any further updated information from ScotlandsDNA on further results? Thanks

Dear Paul, I have no knowledge of how Old Irish sounded in the 10th century, since I have not studied it and was not around ca. 840. My point was simply that to those Scandinavians who did actually hear Irish men and women speak at that time, including Muirchertach's daughter, Melkorka, the last 3 letters of his name sounded more like the last 2 letters in MacLennan than like the first 2 letters in O Canada (or O'Connor). Thanks for your interest! David On 2013-11-06 8:10 PM, "Paul Conroy" <[email protected]> wrote: >David, >I would pronounce it as: >Mwir-kjart-ok > >But Melkorka looks like: >Maol- ... as in tonsured, indicating a monk. So if female, a former >abbess? > >Btw, my mother in Ireland is showing some distant Icelandic relatives, >whereas my father has some Norwegian relatives - on 23andme. > >Cheers, >Paul

Bernard, Some time ago, I reported on my descent from Melkorka, the daughter of an Irish king, Muirchertach MacNeill (Myrkjarten), who was kidnapped at 15 and sold to an Icelander, Hoskuldur Dalakollsson. I would appreciate your help or the help of anyone interested in 10th century Irish archives in resolving issues that are raised in my pedigree. My grandfather¹s sister and their father, Jon Sigurdson, born in Iceland in 1850 and educated there, put the pedigree together in the 1920s using information readily available to Icelanders at that time. My sources are this pedigree, the Laxdaela Saga and the Icelandic Book of Settlements (Landnamabok), which would have been readily available to Icelandic speakers in the 1920s. The Landnamabok was first compiled between 1097 and 1125 by the priest Ari (the learned) Thorgillson and Kolskegg the wise and later versions of it are extant in manuscript form. A current edition of Landnamabok states: ³When Ari and Kolskegg set to work, only 6 to 7 generations of settlers had lived in Iceland, so it was not too difficult to gather information even about the earliest period of Icelandic history. In many cases the direct descendants of the original settlers were still living on the farms where their ancestors had made their first homes in Iceland. What seems to emerge from this is that the genealogies of people after the Settlement seem to be trustworthy². The Landsnamabok, unlike the Laxdaela Saga, was not conceived as a work of literature, but, because ³we think we can better meet the criticism of foreigners (probably about Vikings) when they accuse us of being descended from slaves or scoundrels, if we know for certain the truth about our ancestry.² So here is my earliest Icelandic/Irish pedigree: K = King; HK = High King Áed Finnliath (HK) Flann Sinna (HK) 1.Kveldulfur Hersir Niall Glúndub (HK) m Gormlaith Flann's daughter 2.Skallagrimur Kveldulfurson Myrkjarten (Muirchertach MacNeill, K of Ailech) 3.Egil Skallagrimson Melkorka, concubine of Hoskuldur Dalakollson 4.Thorgerdur Egilsdottir------wife of---Olafur Hoskuldurson 5.Thorbjorg Olafursdottir m Asgeir Knattarson 6.Kristjan Asgeirson 7.Thorvaldur Kristjanson 8.Thordur Thorvaldson 9.Snorri Thordarson died 1193 Egil Skallagrimson was born about 900 AD; Olaf Hoskuldon was born about 938 when Melkorka would have been between about 16 and 18, so she was born around 920; Myrkjarten is reported in Wikipedia to have died in battle in 943. So - my questions are: is the Wikipedia entry about Muirchertach macNeill and his forbears and descendants accurate? What more is available in irish archives about him? Is there any reference to his children and especially about his daughters? When I presented this earlier, someone asked about Icelandic pronunciation and about whether Myrkjarten might be MacCartin. I think the pronunciation in Icelandic actually speaks more about how the Irish pronounced Muirchertach; Muir= Myr; chert=kjart; ach=an (a very soft pronunciation of ach). Another interesting point is the number of enslaved Irish and Scottish people who were brought to Iceland at this time. Surely some of these people were M222+, just as Melkorka would likely have been if she were male. They would have contributed to the Icelandic gene pool. What do we know about M222+ people in Iceland? David

David, I would pronounce it as: Mwir-kjart-ok But Melkorka looks like: Maol- ... as in tonsured, indicating a monk. So if female, a former abbess? Btw, my mother in Ireland is showing some distant Icelandic relatives, whereas my father has some Norwegian relatives - on 23andme. Cheers, Paul On Nov 6, 2013 7:04 PM, "David Maclennan" <[email protected]> wrote: > Bernard, Some time ago, I reported on my descent from Melkorka, the > daughter of an Irish king, Muirchertach MacNeill (Myrkjarten), who was > kidnapped at 15 and sold to an Icelander, Hoskuldur Dalakollsson. > I would appreciate your help or the help of anyone interested in > 10th > century Irish archives in resolving issues that are raised in my pedigree. > My grandfather¹s sister and their father, Jon Sigurdson, born in > Iceland > in 1850 and educated there, put the pedigree together in the 1920s using > information readily available to Icelanders at that time. My sources are > this pedigree, the Laxdaela Saga and the Icelandic Book of Settlements > (Landnamabok), which would have been readily available to Icelandic > speakers in the 1920s. > The Landnamabok was first compiled between 1097 and 1125 by the > priest > Ari (the learned) Thorgillson and Kolskegg the wise and later versions of > it are extant in manuscript form. A current edition of Landnamabok states: > ³When Ari and Kolskegg set to work, only 6 to 7 generations of settlers > had lived in Iceland, so it was not too difficult to gather information > even about the earliest period of Icelandic history. In many cases the > direct descendants of the original settlers were still living on the farms > where their ancestors had made their first homes in Iceland. What seems to > emerge from this is that the genealogies of people after the Settlement > seem to be trustworthy². > The Landsnamabok, unlike the Laxdaela Saga, was not conceived as a > work > of literature, but, because ³we think we can better meet the criticism of > foreigners (probably about Vikings) when they accuse us of being descended > from slaves or scoundrels, if we know for certain the truth about our > ancestry.² > So here is my earliest Icelandic/Irish pedigree: K = King; HK = > High King > Áed Finnliath (HK) Flann Sinna > (HK) 1.Kveldulfur Hersir Niall > Glúndub (HK) m Gormlaith Flann's daughter > 2.Skallagrimur Kveldulfurson Myrkjarten (Muirchertach MacNeill, > K of > Ailech) > > 3.Egil Skallagrimson Melkorka, concubine of Hoskuldur > Dalakollson > > 4.Thorgerdur Egilsdottir------wife of---Olafur Hoskuldurson > 5.Thorbjorg Olafursdottir m Asgeir Knattarson > 6.Kristjan Asgeirson > 7.Thorvaldur Kristjanson > 8.Thordur Thorvaldson > 9.Snorri Thordarson died 1193 > Egil Skallagrimson was born about 900 AD; Olaf Hoskuldon was born > about > 938 when Melkorka would have been between about 16 and 18, so she was born > around 920; Myrkjarten is reported in Wikipedia to have died in battle in > 943. > So - my questions are: is the Wikipedia entry about Muirchertach > macNeill > and his forbears and descendants accurate? What more is available in irish > archives about him? Is there any reference to his children and especially > about his daughters? > When I presented this earlier, someone asked about Icelandic > pronunciation and about whether Myrkjarten might be MacCartin. I think the > pronunciation in Icelandic actually speaks more about how the Irish > pronounced Muirchertach; Muir= Myr; chert=kjart; ach=an (a very soft > pronunciation of ach). > Another interesting point is the number of enslaved Irish and > Scottish > people who were brought to Iceland at this time. Surely some of these > people were M222+, just as Melkorka would likely have been if she were > male. They would have contributed to the Icelandic gene pool. What do we > know about M222+ people in Iceland? > David > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

>From www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/ Dunkin: Very rare: Dublin. Ir. Ó Duinnchinn (brown head). A name associated with N Connacht > > http://www.billmacafee.com/1630musterrolls/1630musterrollsderry.pdf > 1630 Muster Rolls for Estates in Co. Londonderry [D1759/3/C/2 or MIC637/10] > [Sorted by Surname and Estate] > Record > No. > Surname [Standardised] Surname as spelt in > Muster Rolls > Forename Estate (Chief Tenant) Barony Surname > listed in > 1622 > Dunbar William City & Liberties of Londonderry N. W. Liberties of > Londonderry > 57 Duncan Dunkan Archibald City & Liberties of Londonderry N. W. Liberties > of Londonderry > 175 Duncan Dunkin James City & Liberties of Londonderry N. W. Liberties of > Londonderry > 1742 Duncan Dunkin Wm Thomas Phillips, Limavady Keenaght > 1748 Duncan Dunkan Alexander Thomas Phillips, Limavady Keenagh > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> The following project member ordered an additional product: > > James William Rourke > > Kit Number: N113724 > > Test: DF85 Thanks very much.............Linda

Larry, your comments illustrate exactly the problem I raised a few weeks ago about the lack of transparency from the companies selling these tests. Sandy went on to investigate and eked out the information that DF85 is in the Chromo2 test under a different name and that S668 and DF97 are different SNPs. On that basis, I did order DF97 and Chromo2 at the end of October. There is really no reason for this confusion - it would appear to be an obfuscation to prevent competitors from reproducing data. A SNP is a single nucleotide polymorphism. However, it does not exist in isolation, but in the context of its surrounding sequence. The "critical" surrounding sequence provides two unique sequences, minimally about 15 bases long, one on either side of the SNP. These sequences provide information for the synthesis of two "complementary primer sequences" that hybridize on either side of the SNP site and allow the short segment between the primers to be amplified thousands of times so that it can be sequenced and the polymorphic SNP site identified after comparison of multiple human sequences. Once this SNP site is shown to be reproducibly polymorphic, it can be synthesized on a chip and analyzed in a different way. The point is that if the sequences surrounding and including the unique primer sites become publicly available, then anyone with access to analysis of the publicly funded human genome sequence can directly compare the differently named SNPs. David On 2013-11-06 7:17 AM, "Larry Slavens" <[email protected]> wrote: >For those keeping track, I mailed my vial of spit back to Nottingham for >the Chromo2 test on October 23. > >Also, I was DF85+ at FTDNA but didn't order DF97 at the time. From what >I've gathered from the list (and I haven't been following terribly >closely the past few weeks as fatigue has set in), Chromo2 doesn't test >DF97. Is there much value in going ahead with the DF97, or should I just >wait to see what the Chromo2 test tells us? Thanks. > >Larry > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sandy, Thanks for the extra clarification - that sounds a bit like the public domain Gates snr and jnr genomes. Hopefully the first few samples will demonstrate this and they can be formally merged. best Iain > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 13:31:33 +0000 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 and DF97 > > Hi Iain, > > According to Jim Wilson, one person had 2 mutations compared to his father. > One of the mutations was S668 and the other was DF97. So in the sense that > everyone with S668 also has DF97, they can be taken as equivalent, but they > are actually two separate mutations that occurred in the same person. > > Best, > > Sandy > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Iain Kennedy > Sent: 06 November 2013 12:25 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 and DF97 > > Larry, > > We don't yet know the answer to the question as there is a marker (S668) on > Chromo2 that may be directly equivalent to DF97. The only way we will > resolve it is if people test Chromo2 and are also DF97+. > > >From the point of view of the M222 diagram I'm maintaining I would > personally want to be very sure the two markers in question are equivalent > before I merge the two sub-branches if only because it would be a right pain > to have to de-merge them later. And that needs lots of people to test. > > Iain > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 06:17:14 -0600 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [R-M222] Chromo2 and DF97 > > > > For those keeping track, I mailed my vial of spit back to Nottingham for > the Chromo2 test on October 23. > > > > Also, I was DF85+ at FTDNA but didn't order DF97 at the time. From what > I've gathered from the list (and I haven't been following terribly closely > the past few weeks as fatigue has set in), Chromo2 doesn't test DF97. Is > there much value in going ahead with the DF97, or should I just wait to see > what the Chromo2 test tells us? Thanks. > > > > Larry > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Iain, According to Jim Wilson, one person had 2 mutations compared to his father. One of the mutations was S668 and the other was DF97. So in the sense that everyone with S668 also has DF97, they can be taken as equivalent, but they are actually two separate mutations that occurred in the same person. Best, Sandy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Iain Kennedy Sent: 06 November 2013 12:25 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 and DF97 Larry, We don't yet know the answer to the question as there is a marker (S668) on Chromo2 that may be directly equivalent to DF97. The only way we will resolve it is if people test Chromo2 and are also DF97+. >From the point of view of the M222 diagram I'm maintaining I would personally want to be very sure the two markers in question are equivalent before I merge the two sub-branches if only because it would be a right pain to have to de-merge them later. And that needs lots of people to test. Iain http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 06:17:14 -0600 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [R-M222] Chromo2 and DF97 > > For those keeping track, I mailed my vial of spit back to Nottingham for the Chromo2 test on October 23. > > Also, I was DF85+ at FTDNA but didn't order DF97 at the time. From what I've gathered from the list (and I haven't been following terribly closely the past few weeks as fatigue has set in), Chromo2 doesn't test DF97. Is there much value in going ahead with the DF97, or should I just wait to see what the Chromo2 test tells us? Thanks. > > Larry > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message