Thanks, Iain. I must have missed your 16 Oct post on the Chromo2 raw file format, or rather was not in the frame of mind at that moment to adsorb that bit of information. I do remember some discussion on this list of form issues with the Chromo2 data and perhaps a bit of an air of disappointment that the data (if as represented below) is not more like what we are used to seeing in a raw file format from 23andMe or FTDNA where there is a reference to the chain position of a SNP and possibly a human genome reference sequence number as well as the SNP call. "S" designations as you show below are not particularly enlightening, possibly because of lack of familiarity with them on my part. To paraphrase, "A SNP by any other name is still a SNP," I suppose except that since much of this is more abstract than your basic rose, it is a bit harder to understand. In the data below, I suppose I am puzzled by the heterozygous calls of S116 and S474. Since there is only one DNA strand and not two, unlike for chromosomes in the autosome, I can understand the homozygous calls for the remaining SNPs shown below as being double letters owing to chip read software programming etc. But why "AC" and why "AG" for S116 and S474? And a further question: How many lines (or SNP calls) of text in the Chromo2 raw file? Tens? Hundreds? Thousands? Walter On 11/16/2013 4:30 AM, Iain Kennedy wrote: > For those who want to look at their SNP hierarchy it should look like this in part: > > S116 AC positive > S145 GG positive > S474 AG positive > S193 AA positive > Z2961 AA positive > > and then the SNPs in the Wilson tree/diagram. However note that you will not see M222 itself: there may be an equivalent or closeby SNP but Dr. Wilson is still double checking this. > > Iain > > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 07:13:35 +0000 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 Raw Results s588 > > Walter, > > If you ordered the raw version you can download a .txt file whose format I described last month in this post: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DNA-R1B1C7/2013-10/1381923024 > > and that is what we examine. You get it by logging in to your account and clicking the Download button. I can't say for sure that Steve has a downloadable file (yet). If he doesn't he can email [email protected] and they should be able to send it him. > > Iain >

Walter, If you ordered the raw version you can download a .txt file whose format I described last month in this post: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DNA-R1B1C7/2013-10/1381923024 and that is what we examine. You get it by logging in to your account and clicking the Download button. I can't say for sure that Steve has a downloadable file (yet). If he doesn't he can email [email protected] and they should be able to send it him. Iain > Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 00:02:57 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 Raw Results s588 > > Exactly what do your results look like? What is the format? What data > are you given? How do you access it? Are the designations like S588 > meaningful such as ATCG (pick one), derived or ancestral), base pair > indexed, or rs number indexed? > > Was the terminal SNP all that you were given back? > > I am very interested in running a extended Y-SNP test to compare against > Steve Lominac, whom I spoke to earlier this evening. But Steve has seen > no data from his test. Apparently it was run through Sandy Patterson, > but Steve has not received access to his data file nor his data. > > I match Steve 104/111 Y-DNA and we are both SNP tested for R-M222. There > is a complicated Gordian knot of Freemans, Lominacs, Gills, Sudduth, and > Nutters all of who are close Y-matches and all of whom have some sort of > connection to the area between present day Culpepper (formerly > Fairfield) Culpepper Co, Virginia and Warrenton, Fauquier County > Virginia. My family tradition is that we are of Irish descent, though > my earliest known ancestor is a Samuel Freeman b ~1760 +/- whose parents > and connection to Ireland are unknown at present. > > I am most interested in comparing SNPs with Steve who so far seems to be > ancestral for R-M222, and am considering the Big Y test at FTDNA, which > seems to be another "pig-in-a-poke" for the moment though it is a > Y-sequence test and not a chip test, know one knows what data or what > format a customer will get for his money. I suspect that that test is > in beta, though FTDNA has not used that language, but they have not been > forthcoming with any details either. And we know that they recently > fired the guy, Thomas Krahn, who built their in-house laboratory and > designed the Big Y test! > > I am most interested to see where this all leads and what we can learn > possibly about our Irish origins. > > So what does your data return from BritainsDNA Chromo2 consist of and > what does it look like? > > Thanks, > > Walter Freeman > > > On 11/15/2013 2:42 PM, Robert McBride wrote: > > Just received my Chromo2 results and my terminal snp is s588. > > > > Earliest known ancestor Arthur McBride, lived Rampark, Cooley peninsula, died aged 92 in 1879 in Dundalk, County Louth > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

ID: I15690 Name: William Dunbar Sex: M Birth: 23 FEB 1752 in Belfast Ireland Death: 17 NOV 1798 in Steel Creek Barnwell District, South Carolina Burial: NOV 1798 Speedwell Methodist Church Cemetery Millett, Allendale County, South Carolina Note: George Robison Dunbar, married widow Sarah Middleton of Charlestown who had plenty of property of her own which she protected in a marriage agreement, copy available from SCDAH, book No. 2, page 13, about 1800, signed 7 July 1794. Dunbar was prominent in political affairs, serving in the Fourth General Assembly in 1782 for the District of Orangeburg between the Savannah River and the North Fork of the Edisto. He also served in the sixth and seventh general assemblies, 1785-1786 and 1787-1788. In 1788 he voted to ratify the Federal Constitution. He then represented the renamed district, Winton County, in the tenth general assembly 1792-1794. Dunbar family records as written in the Dehuff manuscripts available from the Beech Island Historical Society, Beech Island SC, state "William Dunbar was buried in the family cemetery at his home near the Savannah River above Old Ellenton. His tombstone read "Died 7th of November 1798 in the 46th year, 9th month and 16th day of his age." This tombstone disappeared before the removal of graves for the Savannah River Site in 1952. ************************************************* _Celebrate the Wedding at Middleton Place–in South Carolina! | ..._ (http://myroyalwedding.wordpress.com/2011/04/09/celebrate-the-wedding-at-middleton- place-in-south-carolina/) myroyalwedding.wordpress.com/.../celebrate-the-wedding-at-middleton- place-... Apr 9, 2011 ... Middleton Place, like most organizations this month, has decided to use the ... Celebrate the Wedding at Middleton Place–in South Carolina! ... Released; HRH The Duchess of Cambridge at 100 Women Hedge Funds Gala ...

Wow! That FTDNA link tells a big story. So let us now see where my genetics could go. But perhaps a Chromo2 test could be a good thing, too. Doug On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Linda McKee <[email protected]> wrote: > From a post seen on the Genealogy-DNA List: > > > Rebekah Canada posts: > > ......have finished the BIG Y FAQ. > > http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=27 > > Please send any additional questions through our Feedback form. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Exactly what do your results look like? What is the format? What data are you given? How do you access it? Are the designations like S588 meaningful such as ATCG (pick one), derived or ancestral), base pair indexed, or rs number indexed? Was the terminal SNP all that you were given back? I am very interested in running a extended Y-SNP test to compare against Steve Lominac, whom I spoke to earlier this evening. But Steve has seen no data from his test. Apparently it was run through Sandy Patterson, but Steve has not received access to his data file nor his data. I match Steve 104/111 Y-DNA and we are both SNP tested for R-M222. There is a complicated Gordian knot of Freemans, Lominacs, Gills, Sudduth, and Nutters all of who are close Y-matches and all of whom have some sort of connection to the area between present day Culpepper (formerly Fairfield) Culpepper Co, Virginia and Warrenton, Fauquier County Virginia. My family tradition is that we are of Irish descent, though my earliest known ancestor is a Samuel Freeman b ~1760 +/- whose parents and connection to Ireland are unknown at present. I am most interested in comparing SNPs with Steve who so far seems to be ancestral for R-M222, and am considering the Big Y test at FTDNA, which seems to be another "pig-in-a-poke" for the moment though it is a Y-sequence test and not a chip test, know one knows what data or what format a customer will get for his money. I suspect that that test is in beta, though FTDNA has not used that language, but they have not been forthcoming with any details either. And we know that they recently fired the guy, Thomas Krahn, who built their in-house laboratory and designed the Big Y test! I am most interested to see where this all leads and what we can learn possibly about our Irish origins. So what does your data return from BritainsDNA Chromo2 consist of and what does it look like? Thanks, Walter Freeman On 11/15/2013 2:42 PM, Robert McBride wrote: > Just received my Chromo2 results and my terminal snp is s588. > > Earliest known ancestor Arthur McBride, lived Rampark, Cooley peninsula, died aged 92 in 1879 in Dundalk, County Louth >

Robert, Congrats on the result S588 appears to be a parallel clade to DF85. See Iain Kennedy's tree here: http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf Woulfe has the following in his 1923 book on your surname: --- Mac GIOLLA BHRÍGHDE—IV<http://www.libraryireland.com/names/synopsis-types-surnames.php> —*M'Gillebridy, M'Gillvrid, M'Killbridy, M'Elvride*, MacGillbride, MacKilbride, Macklebreed, MacBride, Gillbride, Kilbride, &c.; 'son of Giolla Bhríghde' (servant of St. Brigid<http://www.libraryireland.com/biography/SaintBridget.php>). This surname was formerly found in many parts of Ireland, notably in the North, where it is still common under the anglicised form of MacBride, having been shortened in the spoken language to Mac 'a Bhríghde, for which *compare with* Mac Giolla Bhuidhe<http://www.libraryireland.com/names/macg/mac-giolla-bhuidhe.php> below. --- Regards -Paul (DF41+) On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Robert McBride <[email protected]>wrote: > Just received my Chromo2 results and my terminal snp is s588. > > Earliest known ancestor Arthur McBride, lived Rampark, Cooley peninsula, > died aged 92 in 1879 in Dundalk, County Louth > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Bernard, Although my family's paper trail goes back to the later 18th century in Armagh, Ireland, my having the surname of Morrison made it very easy for me to assume that my family had originated somewhere in Scotland. Morrison = Scottish, right? But over the past few years I have been in contact with Edwin Holcombe, the Secretary of the Morrison Society of North America and it turned out that I am not genetically related to any of the Scottish Morrisons. Huh? What? So it took a lot of Internet searching, but eventually I discovered a small Irish family which is known to have adopted the Morrison name, from O'Muirgheasain from the region of northern Derry and eastern Donegal. But then came the real surprise, that the big and dominant family of that same region is the Doherty clann, that my Morrison genetics are quite closely related to the main branch of the Doherty family and that there are known historical links between the Doherty and Morrison families going back hundreds of years. In Sligo there was an O'Muirgheasa clann, most often Anglicized as Morris and Morrissey, while in Derry and Donegal there was an O'Muirgheasain clann which became Morrison and both of those names roughly translated meaning expert with boats on the ocean. And some of the O'Muirgheasain clann are known to have migrated to the southern and to the inner Hebrides islands, yes, to western Scotland. Yes, there were Irish Morrisons in Scotland! And I still keep looking. Best, Doug On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Bernard Morgan <[email protected]>wrote: > > Genetically I am closely associated with the Doherty clann, including > > historical links between what apparently is my family and theirs, some of > > the members of my apparent family are known to have migrated by boat to > the > > southern and to the inner Hebrides islands, and my haplogroup, L21+, > M222+, > > R1b1a2a1a1b4b can be found there, too. > > > > And I would be delighted to hear of any such results you might discover! > > > Doug, I have an interest in the O'Muirgheasain. Irish names have been > subject contraction, so O'Muirgheasain could easily contracted to > O'Muirgheain which in turn can be anglicized as Morgan, hence my personal > interest. > > As for other Morrison origins there are the MacGillamoire from county > Down. So you in the same boat as myself, with multiple origins for your > surname. The hope I have is that Chromo2 will allow the identification of > kinship groups within the broader Connachta. > > > Quick primer of Irish Surname: Typically Irish surnames come from the > first-name of a male ancestor. This leads to multiple surnames based on > common first-names, yet typically from different kinship groups. > Additionally these Irish Surname are typically use either the diminutive or > the plural form. (I have never found out why these forms are so common.) > > So for example if the ancestor was Murchad you can expect his descendants > to use the surnames - > > MacMurchadha anglicized as MacMorhcoe and more (from plural form) > MacMurchaidh anglicized as MacMurphy and more (from plural form) > MacMurchadhain anglicized as MacMorgan and more (from diminutive form) > > > The reason I raise this is that O'Muirgheasain is diminutive form of > last-name from the first-name Muirgheas. Muirgheas also gives rise to the > plural surname O'Muirgheasaigh or anglicized O'Morrissey. > > So this means you also need to consider the Ui Fiachrach O'Morrissey of > Sligo as a possible origin of your surname. > > Now your surname could be Ui Briuin (MacGillamoire of Down), Ui Fiachrach > (O'Muirgheasaigh of Sligo) or Cenel Eoghain (O'Muirgheasain of Derry). > > For O'Muirgheasain of Derry I find no definite assertion that they are > Cenel Eoghain. However I have found this pedigree in O'Clery's genealogies > that suggests this: > > Genelaigh o Muirghiusa > Aedh m Muiredhaigh m Donngusa m Duib uinsenn m Mail eoin m Ainbeith m > Fogartaigh m Mael roid m Fir moir m Muirghuisa (a raiter an sloinnedh) m > Cobhtaigh m Tnuthghail m Duibh doire m Sarain m Tighernaigh m Muiredaigh m > Eoghain. > > and above: > Senchsus Cloinne Tigernaigh Insdo > Tighernach m Muiredaigh mic Eogain m Neill. Tighernach dano .iiii. mic > lais .i. Tairceltrach (a quo .h. Ulgoba), Gnia (a quo .h. Becan ocus .h. > Odhrain), Saran (da mac lais .i. Domhongog toraighe et Dub doire a quo .h. > Mhuirghiusa ocus .h. Conugan): Daithgheal, an cethramad mac do Tighernach, > .ii. mac laiside .i. Corran et Ruadan. > > So most likely O'Muirgheasain of Derry are Cenel Tigernaigh of Cenel > Eoghain. > > > Now we need wait for the DNA markers to identify the Ui Briuin, Ui > Fiachrach and Cenel Tigernaigh branches. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My markers are Sorenson not ftdna - I've emailed Susan a copy, if anyone else is interested drop me a line offlist. Iain > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 15:16:05 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 downloads/results > > I agree, it is indeed going to be interesting to see whether or not the > actual clade modal is indicative of anything specific or merely a > cumulative signature guideline to the clade at large. It is becoming > more and more clear that there are convergence issues which until the > down stream SNPs were known we were clueless about beyond the individual > surname lineages themselves. > > The df85 positive results are nearly on modal, and clearly df85 is down > stream from the M222 founder; I think it remains to be seen which SNPs > will actually equate as ancestral and which are brothers or uncles, sons > or nephews yet. The sample size for positives coming out of Chromo2 is > yet very small and undoubtedly there will be clarifications as the > testing continues. > > Congratulations Robert McBride and Iain Kennedy. Iain will you be > sharing your haplotype with us?

Just received my Chromo2 results and my terminal snp is s588. Earliest known ancestor Arthur McBride, lived Rampark, Cooley peninsula, died aged 92 in 1879 in Dundalk, County Louth

Alan, perhaps when we see where David Wilson (Mr. Modal) slots in we can be more definitive about that. Then we can see whether the overall group modal has any real historical significance? Iain > From: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 14:53:18 -0500 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 downloads/results > > Iain > > Just had a quick look at the update. Interesting .... Given it appears > that you are ancestral for all the new SNPs in the Jim Wilson diagram .... it > also seems that you and Steve Lominac are ancestral to that Niall of the > Nine Hostage modal? > > Alan > > > > > > In a message dated 15/11/2013 19:19:21 GMT Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > There seems to have been a more general release of raw Chromo2 data > downloads so anyone who got a sample back by July 28th it may be worth checking > the site or for the confirming email. > > One result has already been added to the new tree, Rob McBride is S588* > alongside my namesake 'male Kennedy'. > > I have been promised a revised tree by Dr. Wilson which may have one or > two additional small early branches but no drastic changes, I will post as > soon as I get it. > > Iain > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There seems to have been a more general release of raw Chromo2 data downloads so anyone who got a sample back by July 28th it may be worth checking the site or for the confirming email. One result has already been added to the new tree, Rob McBride is S588* alongside my namesake 'male Kennedy'. I have been promised a revised tree by Dr. Wilson which may have one or two additional small early branches but no drastic changes, I will post as soon as I get it. Iain http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf

From a post seen on the Genealogy-DNA List: > Rebekah Canada posts: ......have finished the BIG Y FAQ. > http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=27 > Please send any additional questions through our Feedback form.

M222 is definitely invited to share Chromo 2 results spreadsheets in this folder on the R1b-L21-Project yahoo group. We for sure one at least one M222+ guy but you are welcome to use it generally. That's its purpose. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] It would be of benefit to all of us if we share are Chromo 2 results spreadsheet files. David C had an excellent idea. Let's just have people upload them to a folder on a Yahoo Groups. We do have to keep them straight between who's who. I've set up a folder for L21+/S145+ and subclades people on this Yahoo group under the "More" dropdown menu when you select "Files." Before you upload your file, please rename the file to your FTDNA kit #. If you don't have one, use your Ysearch ID to name the file. This will allow for the merger of Chromo 2 results on the R1b-L21_Haplotypes spreadsheet (which you can find under "More" and then "Links"). Here is a direct link to the folder. http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/R1b-L21-Project/files/Chromo_2_L21_S145_results Regards, Mike W

I agree, it is indeed going to be interesting to see whether or not the actual clade modal is indicative of anything specific or merely a cumulative signature guideline to the clade at large. It is becoming more and more clear that there are convergence issues which until the down stream SNPs were known we were clueless about beyond the individual surname lineages themselves. The df85 positive results are nearly on modal, and clearly df85 is down stream from the M222 founder; I think it remains to be seen which SNPs will actually equate as ancestral and which are brothers or uncles, sons or nephews yet. The sample size for positives coming out of Chromo2 is yet very small and undoubtedly there will be clarifications as the testing continues. Congratulations Robert McBride and Iain Kennedy. Iain will you be sharing your haplotype with us? I remember seeing it at 48 markers, I think, but that was a long time ago. Susan On 11/15/2013 3:02 PM, Iain Kennedy wrote: > Alan, perhaps when we see where David Wilson (Mr. Modal) slots in we can be more definitive about that. Then we can see whether the overall group modal has any real historical significance? > > Iain > > > > > >> From: [email protected] >> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 14:53:18 -0500 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 downloads/results >> >> Iain >> >> Just had a quick look at the update. Interesting .... Given it appears >> that you are ancestral for all the new SNPs in the Jim Wilson diagram .... it >> also seems that you and Steve Lominac are ancestral to that Niall of the >> Nine Hostage modal? >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> >> >> In a message dated 15/11/2013 19:19:21 GMT Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> There seems to have been a more general release of raw Chromo2 data >> downloads so anyone who got a sample back by July 28th it may be worth checking >> the site or for the confirming email. >> >> One result has already been added to the new tree, Rob McBride is S588* >> alongside my namesake 'male Kennedy'. >> >> I have been promised a revised tree by Dr. Wilson which may have one or >> two additional small early branches but no drastic changes, I will post as >> soon as I get it. >> >> Iain >> >> http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >> and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Iain Just had a quick look at the update. Interesting .... Given it appears that you are ancestral for all the new SNPs in the Jim Wilson diagram .... it also seems that you and Steve Lominac are ancestral to that Niall of the Nine Hostage modal? Alan In a message dated 15/11/2013 19:19:21 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: There seems to have been a more general release of raw Chromo2 data downloads so anyone who got a sample back by July 28th it may be worth checking the site or for the confirming email. One result has already been added to the new tree, Rob McBride is S588* alongside my namesake 'male Kennedy'. I have been promised a revised tree by Dr. Wilson which may have one or two additional small early branches but no drastic changes, I will post as soon as I get it. Iain http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Iain, I had to laugh at that. I wonder what could be learned from the McKenzie who is even more modal than I am. My sample got to the lab only about a month ago, so I'm probably not going to hear for another few weeks where I will be slotted. I'm hoping for news by the end of the month, but who knows. I told Jim Wilson that I guessed I would be in the M222* paragroup or maybe in S568. I am one of those who thinks the odds are better than 50-50 that M222 first appeared in Scotland or Strathclyde, then moved to Ireland and flourished before returning a few centuries later in some measure to what we now call Scotland. Then of course a couple of centuries after that the original stay-at-home M222 Scots picked up and moved to Ulster when it made sense for them to do so. That's when I'm guessing that my Wilson ancestors parked themselves in the Bann River Valley. I don't see any evidence they were in Ireland before the mid-17th century, though of course a lusty Irish lad may have been a patrilineal ancestor rather than one of the sober, dour Scots Wilsons who came to that green isle with their wives and daughters. Anyway, that's my hypothetical narrative of the moment. We'll see what the SNPs say soon enough. Needless to say, I'm not persuaded by the "It all started in Mayo" school of thought, but I'm persuadable if further evidence piles up that points in that direction. David Wilson > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 20:02:56 +0000 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 downloads/results > > Alan, perhaps when we see where David Wilson (Mr. Modal) slots in we can be more definitive about that. Then we can see whether the overall group modal has any real historical significance? > > Iain > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 14:53:18 -0500 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 downloads/results > > > > Iain > > > > Just had a quick look at the update. Interesting .... Given it appears > > that you are ancestral for all the new SNPs in the Jim Wilson diagram .... it > > also seems that you and Steve Lominac are ancestral to that Niall of the > > Nine Hostage modal? > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 15/11/2013 19:19:21 GMT Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > There seems to have been a more general release of raw Chromo2 data > > downloads so anyone who got a sample back by July 28th it may be worth checking > > the site or for the confirming email. > > > > One result has already been added to the new tree, Rob McBride is S588* > > alongside my namesake 'male Kennedy'. > > > > I have been promised a revised tree by Dr. Wilson which may have one or > > two additional small early branches but no drastic changes, I will post as > > soon as I get it. > > > > Iain > > > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > > and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Alan, Thanks very much for the latest update on the position of our McKie-McGee sic R1b-M222+ folks. I would also like to thank FTDNA for taking the markers on out to 111 when they did so, as this was really the icing on the cake for our members as we all match at 111 markers. Our work continues to validate these findings. Terry Barton's work further validated our yDNA lineage via our group at World Families. Many thanks to Terry and his folks. Alan's boots-on-the-ground in depth research in Scotland and Ireland has been a real Blessing for us and archived documents found by Alan and shared with our group have been candles shining bright on the cake and Alan has shared more than money could buy. Further research continues and the three McGee are only recently returned from three week research for two of them and two weeks for 200080. Their work has been untiring and most exacting and their willingness to share is an example of the highest order of fellowship. This past Monday as our Nation honored the men and women who have given their all and those who have been willing to give their all, I stood at a second Memorial Day ceremony called "Field of Heroes" at Heber Springs Arkansas on Memorial Day afternoon and received a flag that had been flying, among many others, at the courthouse since September 11th in honor of my late husband's service. I was thinking of his heritage as a warrior and how well he fulfilled his destiny in continuing the work that began long ago in our ancestors' fight for their dignity, their precious freedom, their rights as humans and the basic rights to be.......... Your email is most meaningful. Linda > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Subject: Re: Another new DF85+ > Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:28:34 -0500 (EST)

Hi Len, The fact is that we are all subject to this, that some genetic scientist discovers a possibility and that we all then get interested in just where we could fit into that picture. Meanwhile, some of our investment money then gets lost, while other investment money is worthwhile. The whole of the M222 picture is yet young, but we all need to participate, you and me, too. Doug On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Len McC <[email protected]> wrote: > Susan, > To put some perspective on this; where I live $40 is short of covering a > bottle of Jameson's nose warmer. I just hate being left hanging, y'know? > Unfilled expectations are tough to live with. > :-) > > On 11/14/2013 10:46 AM, Susan Hedeen wrote: > > Dear Len, > > I'm happy to see this. I've generally had good results in getting help > > from FTDNA w/ issues, although I've never had a refund and it shows very > > good will IMO. Thank you for sharing with us both the original and this > > up-date. > > Susan Hedeen > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

> Michael Lally.....181933....Big Y

> Craig McKie M222+ DF85+ > > Kit Number: N64222 > > Test: DF97 > > John H Carey > > Kit Number: 80603 > > Test: DF85