OK...then please elucidate--what is intended. It is cluttering which isn't your fault as you are reasonable attempting to include both results and proposed tree, much to your credit...however since you represent that I'm interpreting your interpretation incorrectly, would you please correct my interpretation using the tree as it is represented. Thanks, Susan On 11/19/2013 2:09 PM, Iain Kennedy wrote: > Those relationships haven't changed although as the diagram clutters up the lines get harder to follow. Your description doesn't correspond to the diagram. > > Iain > > http://www.kennedydna.com > > > > > >> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:58:26 -0500 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [R-M222] Revised M222 tree >> >> Very Interesting, Iain, and good going with that find, Rob McBride! >> >> The tree now would suggest, if I'm understanding it, that df97 and S668 >> are brothers both descending from S673/known as df85 (what happened to >> S675 ?); and S673/df85 and S588 are also brothers descending from either >> S660 or S659...is that correct or are these artifacts of how the tree is >> now represented? >> >> I very much look forward to Further clarifications of this with the >> ongoing testing. >> >> Thank you Iain, Susan Hedeen >> >> On 11/19/2013 1:20 PM, Iain Kennedy wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> List >>> >>> I have several updates to the M222 tree this evening. Jim Wilson has provided a list of SNPs which he considers phylogenetically equivalent to M222 and are (mostly) on the Chromo2 chip. As the list is now too long to force into a personal name in my tree I have also posted the raw tree diagram he sent me which primarily shows the top level above and below, so it is not a replacement for the whole earlier diagram. >>> >>> There are three features in his new diagram: >>> 1. What appears to be a new hg between S474/DF49 and S193/DF23 called S476 which is not on the ISOGG tree. >>> 2. The new list of M222 equivalents >>> 3. A new SNP below M222 called S7073. >>> >>> I have moved everything at the root of M222 below S7073 but having not seen Steve Lominac's raw file yet I can't confirm that he is positive for it. I am as is Rob McBride too of course. >>> >>> The other change to the diagram, which Rob McBride spotted and neither Jim nor I did is that he is positive for F3952, one of the SNPs we got off Geno 2.0 which previously only a Mitchell was positive for. I have double checked with Jim and he reviewed the raw genotype and agrees with this placement. My checking procedures have been amended accordingly and I have added Mitchell to the diagram too. >>> >>> Upper tree update: >>> >>> http://www.kennedydna.com/S474.jpg >>> >>> Main tree from M222: >>> >>> http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf >>> >>> Iain >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Very Interesting, Iain, and good going with that find, Rob McBride! The tree now would suggest, if I'm understanding it, that df97 and S668 are brothers both descending from S673/known as df85 (what happened to S675 ?); and S673/df85 and S588 are also brothers descending from either S660 or S659...is that correct or are these artifacts of how the tree is now represented? I very much look forward to Further clarifications of this with the ongoing testing. Thank you Iain, Susan Hedeen On 11/19/2013 1:20 PM, Iain Kennedy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List > > I have several updates to the M222 tree this evening. Jim Wilson has provided a list of SNPs which he considers phylogenetically equivalent to M222 and are (mostly) on the Chromo2 chip. As the list is now too long to force into a personal name in my tree I have also posted the raw tree diagram he sent me which primarily shows the top level above and below, so it is not a replacement for the whole earlier diagram. > > There are three features in his new diagram: > 1. What appears to be a new hg between S474/DF49 and S193/DF23 called S476 which is not on the ISOGG tree. > 2. The new list of M222 equivalents > 3. A new SNP below M222 called S7073. > > I have moved everything at the root of M222 below S7073 but having not seen Steve Lominac's raw file yet I can't confirm that he is positive for it. I am as is Rob McBride too of course. > > The other change to the diagram, which Rob McBride spotted and neither Jim nor I did is that he is positive for F3952, one of the SNPs we got off Geno 2.0 which previously only a Mitchell was positive for. I have double checked with Jim and he reviewed the raw genotype and agrees with this placement. My checking procedures have been amended accordingly and I have added Mitchell to the diagram too. > > Upper tree update: > > http://www.kennedydna.com/S474.jpg > > Main tree from M222: > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I normally refer to them as ScotlandsDNA or ScoDNA for short, although if I were to send a kit to Ireland I might use the IrelandsDNA box. The 'BISDNA' tag sounds awful in my view. Iain > Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 00:53:49 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 > > Yes, I agree. > > Perhaps for ease of reference the name could be reduced to BISDNA, EISDNA > or something like that? I, for one, prefer a single name of reference, > please! > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Robert Doherty > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Just received my RawC2 kit today and just mailed it back this afternoon. > > > > I got my kit from "Ireland's DNA", but since it and "Scotland's DNA" and > > "Britain's DNA" are all affiliates of BSIDNA the distinction between the > > three is irrelevant - correct? > > > > I have opted to wait on the Big Y until I see the Chromo2 results. > > > > Bob Doherty > > FTDNA kit 29142 > > M222+ DF85+ DF97+ > > Geno2 transferred to FTDNA > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Other people are referring to the conglomeration as BISDNA (for British Isles DNA). It took me a while to figure out they were doing but it works for me. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:53 PM, tuulen <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, I agree. > > Perhaps for ease of reference the name could be reduced to BISDNA, EISDNA > or something like that? I, for one, prefer a single name of reference, > please! > >

To: <[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > Subject: Re: Spencer Percival, Esq., Landgrave Baronies of Carolina (Ashley's of Boston Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 13:00:51 -0400 Hi Gene......This is my line as related by my aunt repeating the family history down from Joseph Ashley......who.....with his brother Abraham had been dropped off in Virginia colony by Capy Kidd. He continued on to Boston knowing that the King's soldiers would arrest him for piracy but who stated he would get "out of it." Capy Kidd then proceeded onto Bostown but was returned to England to face charges of piracy. His plan had been to drop off 3 seamen in Virgina with the latest loot before going to Boston. His plan was to return to VA to retrieve his fortune and continue his life. The Ashley brothers then returned to Boston with their fortunes (from Capt Kidd Sally's Family Place - Sallys Family Place www.sallysfamilyplace.com/Rayner/ashleyt3.htm - Similar to Sally's Family Place - Sallys Family Place Nathaniel Ashley 1765 Orange Co NC - 1813 Barnwell Co SC married 1885 Elizabeth Williams ? i. James Ashley 1788 Barnwell Co SC - 1860 TN married ... The Pirates of Colonial North Carolina • Appendix I penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gazetteer/...Carolina/_.../1*.ht... - Similar to The Pirates of Colonial North Carolina • Appendix I May 25, 2013 ... A Who's Who of North Carolina's Colonial Pirates ..... that several of Kidd's men had settled as planters in Carolina with Rayner as their captain. Sally's Family Place - Sallys Family Place www.sallysfamilyplace.com/Rayner/jraynern.htm Marmaduke Rayner has a very significant place in American history. ... that several of Kidd's men had settled as planters in Carolina with Rayner as their captain. Sally's Family Place - Sallys Family Place www.sallysfamilyplace.com/Rayner/ashleyt3.htm - Similar to Sally's Family Place - Sallys Family Place Nathaniel Ashley 1765 Orange Co NC - 1813 Barnwell Co SC married 1885 Elizabeth Williams ? i. James Ashley 1788 Barnwell Co SC - 1860 TN married ...

Yes, I agree. Perhaps for ease of reference the name could be reduced to BISDNA, EISDNA or something like that? I, for one, prefer a single name of reference, please! On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Robert Doherty <[email protected]>wrote: > Just received my RawC2 kit today and just mailed it back this afternoon. > > I got my kit from "Ireland's DNA", but since it and "Scotland's DNA" and > "Britain's DNA" are all affiliates of BSIDNA the distinction between the > three is irrelevant - correct? > > I have opted to wait on the Big Y until I see the Chromo2 results. > > Bob Doherty > FTDNA kit 29142 > M222+ DF85+ DF97+ > Geno2 transferred to FTDNA > > Sent from my iPhone > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Just received my RawC2 kit today and just mailed it back this afternoon. I got my kit from "Ireland's DNA", but since it and "Scotland's DNA" and "Britain's DNA" are all affiliates of BSIDNA the distinction between the three is irrelevant - correct? I have opted to wait on the Big Y until I see the Chromo2 results. Bob Doherty FTDNA kit 29142 M222+ DF85+ DF97+ Geno2 transferred to FTDNA Sent from my iPhone

Hi Aidan, I have respect for both FTDNA and ScotlandsDNA, so I have no complaints there, but ScotlandsDNA specializes in SNP testing and it seems that SNP testing is now on the list of priorities here on the M222 board. Yes, there is some ongoing criticism about the differences in the labeling of the SNPs, but I think that will eventually get straightened out. At FTDNA I found one 35/37 match having my same surname, with both of our families listed in the same Armagh parish register a couple of hundred years ago, and so it appears that we are long lost cousins, but by genetics and by paper trail I can go back only those couple of hundred years. So, my only option after that appears to be to "push" the yDNA to its limits, taking whatever tests could be necessary, and to see where that could lead. Best, Doug On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 4:49 AM, Aidan Byrne <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi. > > Thanks for the info Iain and Doug. > > It's great that you have decided to take the test as well Doug. > > That's very interesting Iain that their interpretation doesn't cover the > SNPs below M222. That makes up my mind then. I'll get the £129 test! > > - Aidan. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Chromo2 (Iain Kennedy) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 06:50:44 +0000 > From: Iain Kennedy <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Doug, > > Is that a confirmed order placed now then? > > Iain > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 20:21:59 -0500 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 > > > > Hi Aidan, > > > > Apparently it is somewhat of a toss-up, whether to go with Chromo2 or Big > > Y, but I decided to go with Chromo2 simply because that is now the hot > > ticket item around here. > > > > This is the M222 project, and it all comes down to feeding the raw meat > to > > the researchers. > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Susan Hedeen < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Dear Aidan, > > > There are some guys in the project who were sequenced pre-pilot and > > > others in the pilot of the Chromo2, Iain Kennedy being one of them; > > > their recommendation is the raw data for 129 pounds sterling. As I > > > recall there is a choice there, and the only thing you don't get w/the > > > raw data is their spin of a write up...but you get the raw data (Iain > > > Kennedy is accepting these results once they come in to check against > > > the SNP report you also get). Hope this Helps Susan > > > > > > On 11/17/2013 7:21 PM, Aidan Byrne wrote: > > > > What would anyone recommend ordering, the Chromo2 YDNA (?189) or the > > > > Chromo2 Raw YDNA (?129)? And which test is the most popular? > > > > > > > > Is it worth paying that bit extra? And if you order the Chromo2 YDNA > test > > > > do you still get the raw data as well? > > > > > > > > - Aidan. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 7, Issue 449 > ****************************************** > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If he retained the box the test came in, he has the ID; the password should be in his confirmation email...and/or attached to his registration page with Geno2 when he received his raw data. If he hasn't registered his result with NG how does he have his raw data? If he doesn't have a password because he hasn't registered the result to obtain the raw data, he does need the kit number from the box and I believe that he may set the password when he registers....at least that was the way it was when I had all those fellows doing Geno2...so if it's changed this may not work. On 11/18/2013 12:40 PM, Linda McKee wrote: > One of our M222+ has transferred his GENO2 results to FTDNA. > > We are trying to get his results sent to Dave. > > The member says he does not have a GENO2 ID or password........... > > Is there any way he can retrieve those from GENO2? > > Thanks, Linda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Susan, Thanks for the reply. Going back to my notice from FTDNA of his results I see a couple of things, one of which I ""assumed M222+""" without going back to check and he is actually M269 and a member of Erik's 9919 and MultiRecLOH Project. Dear 9919andMultiRecLOH Group Administrator, The following project member ordered an additional product: Larry K. Stephens Kit Number: 264029 Test: GenoProjectConversion Appreciate your response. I had seen that answer but forgotten it. Linda -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Geno2 password or ID to get in for download Geno2 results to Dave Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 11:40:13 -0600 From: Linda McKee <[email protected]> To: [email protected] One of our M222+ has transferred his GENO2 results to FTDNA. We are trying to get his results sent to Dave. The member says he does not have a GENO2 ID or password........... Is there any way he can retrieve those from GENO2? Thanks, Linda

> J Ashley > > Kit Number: 22454 > > Test: DF85, DF97

One of our M222+ has transferred his GENO2 results to FTDNA. We are trying to get his results sent to Dave. The member says he does not have a GENO2 ID or password........... Is there any way he can retrieve those from GENO2? Thanks, Linda

List, I received from Alleen a back ground report on her McAdam that she wishes to share. I converted it to a pdf, put it in my drop box, and here is the link so that anyone interested may view her document. Any interested in sending me such material on your M222 male line families is welcome to do so, and I will file it in my drop box M222 folder in the same manner and create a link likewise. You may then post the link if you want others to also view your history. Unless you specifically ask me to share the link with others, I will not as some people do not want to share their information where as others do...In this case, Alleen was interested in her report being available to others; in the future I'll send individual submitters the link and anyone wishing it to be posted may do so. Susan https://www.dropbox.com/s/zxnj5lhu5z7ifv1/Background%20Information%20for%20Some%20MacAdam%20Families%20in%20Prince%20Edward%20Island%20and%20Nova%20Scotia.Allene%20Goforth.pdf

Hi. Thanks for the info Iain and Doug. It's great that you have decided to take the test as well Doug. That's very interesting Iain that their interpretation doesn't cover the SNPs below M222. That makes up my mind then. I'll get the £129 test! - Aidan. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Chromo2 (Iain Kennedy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 06:50:44 +0000 From: Iain Kennedy <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Doug, Is that a confirmed order placed now then? Iain > Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 20:21:59 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 > > Hi Aidan, > > Apparently it is somewhat of a toss-up, whether to go with Chromo2 or Big > Y, but I decided to go with Chromo2 simply because that is now the hot > ticket item around here. > > This is the M222 project, and it all comes down to feeding the raw meat to > the researchers. > > Doug > > > On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Susan Hedeen < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear Aidan, > > There are some guys in the project who were sequenced pre-pilot and > > others in the pilot of the Chromo2, Iain Kennedy being one of them; > > their recommendation is the raw data for 129 pounds sterling. As I > > recall there is a choice there, and the only thing you don't get w/the > > raw data is their spin of a write up...but you get the raw data (Iain > > Kennedy is accepting these results once they come in to check against > > the SNP report you also get). Hope this Helps Susan > > > > On 11/17/2013 7:21 PM, Aidan Byrne wrote: > > > What would anyone recommend ordering, the Chromo2 YDNA (?189) or the > > > Chromo2 Raw YDNA (?129)? And which test is the most popular? > > > > > > Is it worth paying that bit extra? And if you order the Chromo2 YDNA test > > > do you still get the raw data as well? > > > > > > - Aidan. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ End of DNA-R1B1C7 Digest, Vol 7, Issue 449 ******************************************

Doug, Is that a confirmed order placed now then? Iain > Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 20:21:59 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 > > Hi Aidan, > > Apparently it is somewhat of a toss-up, whether to go with Chromo2 or Big > Y, but I decided to go with Chromo2 simply because that is now the hot > ticket item around here. > > This is the M222 project, and it all comes down to feeding the raw meat to > the researchers. > > Doug > > > On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Susan Hedeen < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear Aidan, > > There are some guys in the project who were sequenced pre-pilot and > > others in the pilot of the Chromo2, Iain Kennedy being one of them; > > their recommendation is the raw data for 129 pounds sterling. As I > > recall there is a choice there, and the only thing you don't get w/the > > raw data is their spin of a write up...but you get the raw data (Iain > > Kennedy is accepting these results once they come in to check against > > the SNP report you also get). Hope this Helps Susan > > > > On 11/17/2013 7:21 PM, Aidan Byrne wrote: > > > What would anyone recommend ordering, the Chromo2 YDNA (£189) or the > > > Chromo2 Raw YDNA (£129)? And which test is the most popular? > > > > > > Is it worth paying that bit extra? And if you order the Chromo2 YDNA test > > > do you still get the raw data as well? > > > > > > - Aidan. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Aidan, One point I would emphasise is that if you buy the bells and whistles version with their interpretation that will NOT cover the SNPs below M222 at least for now as they don't know enough about them to build a narrative. They confirmed that to me a while back. That does give them a bit of a problem deciding what narrative to give you down to the M222 level given their current views as they appear in Dr. Wilson's diagram though; unless they have changed their mind since our conversation. Iain > Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 00:21:06 +0000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [R-M222] Chromo2 > > What would anyone recommend ordering, the Chromo2 YDNA (£189) or the > Chromo2 Raw YDNA (£129)? And which test is the most popular? > > Is it worth paying that bit extra? And if you order the Chromo2 YDNA test > do you still get the raw data as well? > > - Aidan. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Iain, Not yet, as I have been trying to hash out the argument about Chromo2 or Big Y. Whew! I am lost about the details, but it seems that Chromo2 is the way for me to go. But, worry not! If that test fails then I will just have to come back for yet another test. Yes, I am willing to push the Y to its limits, and then we all get to see what happens. Doug On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:50 AM, Iain Kennedy <[email protected]>wrote: > Doug, > > Is that a confirmed order placed now then? > > Iain > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 20:21:59 -0500 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 > > > > Hi Aidan, > > > > Apparently it is somewhat of a toss-up, whether to go with Chromo2 or Big > > Y, but I decided to go with Chromo2 simply because that is now the hot > > ticket item around here. > > > > This is the M222 project, and it all comes down to feeding the raw meat > to > > the researchers. > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Susan Hedeen < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Dear Aidan, > > > There are some guys in the project who were sequenced pre-pilot and > > > others in the pilot of the Chromo2, Iain Kennedy being one of them; > > > their recommendation is the raw data for 129 pounds sterling. As I > > > recall there is a choice there, and the only thing you don't get w/the > > > raw data is their spin of a write up...but you get the raw data (Iain > > > Kennedy is accepting these results once they come in to check against > > > the SNP report you also get). Hope this Helps Susan > > > > > > On 11/17/2013 7:21 PM, Aidan Byrne wrote: > > > > What would anyone recommend ordering, the Chromo2 YDNA (£189) or the > > > > Chromo2 Raw YDNA (£129)? And which test is the most popular? > > > > > > > > Is it worth paying that bit extra? And if you order the Chromo2 YDNA > test > > > > do you still get the raw data as well? > > > > > > > > - Aidan. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

What would anyone recommend ordering, the Chromo2 YDNA (£189) or the Chromo2 Raw YDNA (£129)? And which test is the most popular? Is it worth paying that bit extra? And if you order the Chromo2 YDNA test do you still get the raw data as well? - Aidan.

Mike, ha! My father was born in Scotland although of Irish descent, my mother's family was English, I spent a year living in southern Germany, and I grew up in a rural USA town populated by Czech, Polish, Russian, Ukrainian and other eastern European immigrants. They were all wonderful people. Best, Doug On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Mike W <[email protected]> wrote: > Doug, I agree. There is not much sense in taking two tests simultaneously > that will have a lot of overlap. You have to realize I'm a combination > Czech-Irish-Scots-German-Englishman. No offense to those people, but I may > get out of hand from time to time. LOL. > > I'm amazed at how many people have and are taking all: Geno 2, Chromo 2, > WTY, FGC and Big Y. I'm not quite to that elite level of whatever that > means, but I try to keep them within sight. > > Regards, > Mike W > > > On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:12 PM, tuulen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > @Mike W > > > > My background is in mechanical engineering, and so I can appreciate how > > test results can vary. But there is no sense in taking two tests which > > effectively duplicate each other. > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Mike W <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I agree that the FGC test is probably the most comprehensive as far as > > SNP > > > discovery. > > > > > > However there really aren't any guarantees. I've discovered that the > > > "full" Y types of tests don't really cover 100% of the Y chromosome. > None > > > do, but with good reasons, including impenetrable and unstable segments > > of > > > the chromosome and costs. It appears the definition of pseudo-full > will > > > change over time. The technology itself is part of the equation. Some > > SNPs > > > may be positioned such that the current technologies will not read them > > > consistently, accurately. > > > > > > I have both Chromo 2 and Big Y orders in for myself. We won't really > know > > > what's what until we see a good number of results and can do the > > > comparisons. > > > > > > The relative pricing between the products is probably relative to their > > > value, at least generally so. Chromo 2 is built on the same technology > as > > > Geno 2 but is essentially a "2.1" as they were able to add more > > identified > > > SNPs. Ultimately, I'm not sure if the pricing isn't about right with > FGC > > at > > > $1250, Big Y at $695, Chromo 2 (raw) at $199, Geno 2 at $159. What has > > > thrown a wrench into the works is FTDNA's introductory price of $495. I > > was > > > not expecting that price. > > > > > > This reminds me of the high tech industry. There will always be vendors > > > leapfrogging each other, sometimes only in promises, sometimes only by > > > comparing their new version versus someone else's old. You'll probably > > not > > > buy just one product from any of these companies so I recommend > > considering > > > the company/institution itself, their long term viability, apparent > > > business model, executives and technical people and succession, product > > > line breadth, modularity and upgrade paths, geographic focus, support, > > > matching databases, etc. etc. I am positive there will be a new > package > > > next year or the year that will be better than anything you have to > day. > > > The question is who to do business with and when? Well, at least that > is > > > my point of view. > > > > > > For genetic genealogists, I think Iain said it very well, "no SNP on > the > > > chip is new in any meaningful sense of the word anyway... unless the > > > database also has data". In the end we don't care about many of these > > > SNPs, maybe even most of them. Many will be upstream, many recurrent > and > > > many will be phylogenetically equivalent. That's not to say those won't > > be > > > useful for science in general. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Mike W > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Iain Kennedy < > > [email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Doug, the only thing we can say reasonably for sure right now is that > > > BigY > > > > isn't guaranteed to fully cover all the regions containing the > Chromo2 > > > > SNPs. I think that particular binary choice coupled with the tight > > > deadline > > > > is a difficult one to call. Some people feel they are being bounced > > into > > > > buying BigY at the cheap intro price unsighted, whereas with the > fully > > > > comprehensive FullGenomes test (which would be guaranteed to find all > > the > > > > Chromo2 SNPs) there was a pilot phase and later customers could talk > to > > > the > > > > pilot testers and see their results whilst still getting the early > bird > > > > price. > > > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 20:30:44 -0500 > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] A quote from Robert Brooks Casey R1b-L21 at > > yahoo > > > > forum > > > > > > > > > > As a consumer, let me say that I am annoyed at this lack of > clarity. > > > At > > > > > this time I have the option of taking the ScotlandsDNA Chromo2 test > > > > and/or > > > > > the FTDNA Big Y test, but could they essentially duplicate each > > other? > > > > > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Iain Kennedy > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > This number of 'new' Geno M222 SNPs must set some kind of record > > for > > > > the > > > > > > number of times it's changed ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > It still fails to make any sense since all the ones on the > diagram > > > from > > > > > > their talk are already on the Geno 2.0 chip (I checked each one > > > > manually in > > > > > > my Geno file) and no SNP on the chip is new in any meaningful > sense > > > of > > > > the > > > > > > word anyway... unless the database also has data that was > obtained > > by > > > > some > > > > > > other method than the Geno 2.0 chip which I'm not aware of. In > > which > > > > case > > > > > > their list of SNP names was wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not to mention the question of how they will get them through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Aidan, Apparently it is somewhat of a toss-up, whether to go with Chromo2 or Big Y, but I decided to go with Chromo2 simply because that is now the hot ticket item around here. This is the M222 project, and it all comes down to feeding the raw meat to the researchers. Doug On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Susan Hedeen < [email protected]> wrote: > Dear Aidan, > There are some guys in the project who were sequenced pre-pilot and > others in the pilot of the Chromo2, Iain Kennedy being one of them; > their recommendation is the raw data for 129 pounds sterling. As I > recall there is a choice there, and the only thing you don't get w/the > raw data is their spin of a write up...but you get the raw data (Iain > Kennedy is accepting these results once they come in to check against > the SNP report you also get). Hope this Helps Susan > > On 11/17/2013 7:21 PM, Aidan Byrne wrote: > > What would anyone recommend ordering, the Chromo2 YDNA (£189) or the > > Chromo2 Raw YDNA (£129)? And which test is the most popular? > > > > Is it worth paying that bit extra? And if you order the Chromo2 YDNA test > > do you still get the raw data as well? > > > > - Aidan. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >