It's worth a detailed rummage through the Dunbar project results. They do have quite a few claimed Scottish lines but there only seems to be one from the Lothians who is M222+. The rest are completely different. So that does raise questions about assuming all the Irish M222 ones are from Scotland. Iain > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 18:36:18 +0000 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 further results > > I know that Irish original is the least favorable origin. However the Dunbar in question shares S7814+ with a Donnelly and McLaughlin. > > The pedigrees of Donnelly and McLaughlin are: > > McLaughlin- > Lochlaind m. Muiredaich m. Domnaill m. Muirchertaich m. Néill Glúnduib m. Áeda Findléith m. Néill Caille m Áeda Oirdnide m. Néill Frossaich m. Fergaile m. Máele Dúin m. Máel Fithrich m. Áeda Uaridnaich m. Domnaill m. Muircherdaich m. Muiredaich m. Éogain m. Néill Noígiallaig > or > Lochlainn mac Maíl Sechnaíll m. Mael Runaidh m. Flainn m. Domnaill m. Áeda Findléith m. Néill Caille m Áeda Oirdnide m. Néill Frossaich m. Fergaile m. Máele Dúin m. Máel Fithrich m. Áeda Uaridnaich m. Domnaill m. Muircherdaich m. Muiredaich m. Éogain m. Néill Noígiallaig > > Donnelly- > Donngaile m. Sechnassaich m. Cellaich m. Echdach m. Domnaill m. Áeda Findléith m. Néill Caille m Áeda Oirdnide m. Néill Frossaich m. Fergaile m. Máele Dúin m. Máel Fithrich m. Áeda Uaridnaich m. Domnaill m. Muircherdaich m. Muiredaich m. Éogain m. Néill Noígiallaig > > So the McLaughlin and Donnelly (assuming they are the ulster families) either split at Domnaill m.Áeda Findléith or Áeda Findléith m. Néill Caille. As Paul has mention there are two pedigrees for McLaughlin and most likely they are of Clann Domnaill (of Cenel maic Ercae) per the poems, i.e., they separate at Domnaill m.Áeda Findléith. > > > Above S7814 is S588 where there is a non-Iain Kennedy, the Ulster pedigree is: > Ceindeidig m. Buigell m. Diarmaid m. Concobur m.Fergaile m. Máele Dúin m. Máel Fithrich m. Áeda Uaridnaich m. Domnaill m. Muircherdaich m. Muiredaich m. Éogain m. Néill Noígiallaig > > This would suggest S7814 occurred after Áeda Oirdnide m. Néill Frossaich where the pedigrees of Donnelly and McLaughlin pedigrees separate from Kennedy. > > (Also under S588 is F3952 i.e. McBride from Louth and Mitchell) > > > Under S588 is also S603 which includes the O'Kanes (also the Lamont and Paterson): > Cathan m. Dungan m. Gruagan mac Conchobair m. Fergaile m. Máele Dúin m. Máel Fithrich m. Áeda Uaridnaich m. Domnaill m. Muircherdaich m. Muiredaich m. Éogain m. Néill Noígiallaig Noígiallaig > > This suggesting that S603 occurred after Conchobair m. Fergaile where the O'Kane line splits from the Kennedy pedigree. > > > Above S588 is S660, additionally S673/DF85 (which contains families from Cenel Conaill) also splits off from S660. > > So under S588 we have families from Cenel Eoghain and under S673/DF85 are the families from Cenel Conaill. > > > Now this S7814 Dunbar is under S588 Cenel Eoghain and S7814 which occurs after Fergaile m. Máele Dúin m. Máel Fithrich m. Áeda Uaridnaich m. Domnaill m. Muircherdaich m. Muiredaich m. Éogain m. Néill Noígiallaig. > > As O'Hart reported Dunbar is an Anglicization of a native Irish surname O'Duinnbharr. > > > So this Dunbar is most likely a native O'Dunbar of Cenel maic Ercae a branch of Cenel EOghain and native to Ulster. > > > > > > Well in my view the Dunbars over there are post 1600 arrivals. Their big stronghold is in NE Scotland but there is also a smaller group in Ayrshire and it would be fascinating to link him up to one of those two, especially as it is becoming more obvious how far east M222 spreads. Logic would dictate that he came from Ayrshire. > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 19:59:02 -0500 > >> From: [email protected] > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 further results > >> > >> Is Mr. Dunbar then a descendant of Scots Planters or part of the Native > >> Irish that remained? > >> > >> Fermanagh was a stronghold of the Maguire clan > >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maguire_of_Fermanagh> and Donn Carrach > >> Maguire (died 1302) was the first of the chiefs of the Maguire dynasty. > >> However on the confiscation of lands relating to Hugh Maguire > >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Maguire_%28Lord_of_Fermanagh%29>, > >> Fermanagh was divided in similar manner to the other five escheated > >> counties among Scottish and English undertakers and native Irish. > >> > >> On 12/7/2013 5:32 PM, Iain Kennedy wrote: > >>>> This morning I stumbled by chance on a reference to another M222 Chromo2 result that hadn't been brought to our attention. The surname is Dunbar and he is S7814+. I have updated the M222 tree diagram. > >>>> > >>>> Iain > >>>> > >>>> http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > >>>> > >>> Ian Dunbar has advised that his male line traces back to Enniskillen Co. Fermanagh. > >>> > >>> Iain > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I know that Irish original is the least favorable origin. However the Dunbar in question shares S7814+ with a Donnelly and McLaughlin. The pedigrees of Donnelly and McLaughlin are: McLaughlin- Lochlaind m. Muiredaich m. Domnaill m. Muirchertaich m. Néill Glúnduib m. Áeda Findléith m. Néill Caille m Áeda Oirdnide m. Néill Frossaich m. Fergaile m. Máele Dúin m. Máel Fithrich m. Áeda Uaridnaich m. Domnaill m. Muircherdaich m. Muiredaich m. Éogain m. Néill Noígiallaig or Lochlainn mac Maíl Sechnaíll m. Mael Runaidh m. Flainn m. Domnaill m. Áeda Findléith m. Néill Caille m Áeda Oirdnide m. Néill Frossaich m. Fergaile m. Máele Dúin m. Máel Fithrich m. Áeda Uaridnaich m. Domnaill m. Muircherdaich m. Muiredaich m. Éogain m. Néill Noígiallaig Donnelly- Donngaile m. Sechnassaich m. Cellaich m. Echdach m. Domnaill m. Áeda Findléith m. Néill Caille m Áeda Oirdnide m. Néill Frossaich m. Fergaile m. Máele Dúin m. Máel Fithrich m. Áeda Uaridnaich m. Domnaill m. Muircherdaich m. Muiredaich m. Éogain m. Néill Noígiallaig So the McLaughlin and Donnelly (assuming they are the ulster families) either split at Domnaill m.Áeda Findléith or Áeda Findléith m. Néill Caille. As Paul has mention there are two pedigrees for McLaughlin and most likely they are of Clann Domnaill (of Cenel maic Ercae) per the poems, i.e., they separate at Domnaill m.Áeda Findléith. Above S7814 is S588 where there is a non-Iain Kennedy, the Ulster pedigree is: Ceindeidig m. Buigell m. Diarmaid m. Concobur m.Fergaile m. Máele Dúin m. Máel Fithrich m. Áeda Uaridnaich m. Domnaill m. Muircherdaich m. Muiredaich m. Éogain m. Néill Noígiallaig This would suggest S7814 occurred after Áeda Oirdnide m. Néill Frossaich where the pedigrees of Donnelly and McLaughlin pedigrees separate from Kennedy. (Also under S588 is F3952 i.e. McBride from Louth and Mitchell) Under S588 is also S603 which includes the O'Kanes (also the Lamont and Paterson): Cathan m. Dungan m. Gruagan mac Conchobair m. Fergaile m. Máele Dúin m. Máel Fithrich m. Áeda Uaridnaich m. Domnaill m. Muircherdaich m. Muiredaich m. Éogain m. Néill Noígiallaig Noígiallaig This suggesting that S603 occurred after Conchobair m. Fergaile where the O'Kane line splits from the Kennedy pedigree. Above S588 is S660, additionally S673/DF85 (which contains families from Cenel Conaill) also splits off from S660. So under S588 we have families from Cenel Eoghain and under S673/DF85 are the families from Cenel Conaill. Now this S7814 Dunbar is under S588 Cenel Eoghain and S7814 which occurs after Fergaile m. Máele Dúin m. Máel Fithrich m. Áeda Uaridnaich m. Domnaill m. Muircherdaich m. Muiredaich m. Éogain m. Néill Noígiallaig. As O'Hart reported Dunbar is an Anglicization of a native Irish surname O'Duinnbharr. So this Dunbar is most likely a native O'Dunbar of Cenel maic Ercae a branch of Cenel EOghain and native to Ulster. > Well in my view the Dunbars over there are post 1600 arrivals. Their big stronghold is in NE Scotland but there is also a smaller group in Ayrshire and it would be fascinating to link him up to one of those two, especially as it is becoming more obvious how far east M222 spreads. Logic would dictate that he came from Ayrshire. > > Iain > > > > > >> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 19:59:02 -0500 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 further results >> >> Is Mr. Dunbar then a descendant of Scots Planters or part of the Native >> Irish that remained? >> >> Fermanagh was a stronghold of the Maguire clan >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maguire_of_Fermanagh> and Donn Carrach >> Maguire (died 1302) was the first of the chiefs of the Maguire dynasty. >> However on the confiscation of lands relating to Hugh Maguire >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Maguire_%28Lord_of_Fermanagh%29>, >> Fermanagh was divided in similar manner to the other five escheated >> counties among Scottish and English undertakers and native Irish. >> >> On 12/7/2013 5:32 PM, Iain Kennedy wrote: >>>> This morning I stumbled by chance on a reference to another M222 Chromo2 result that hadn't been brought to our attention. The surname is Dunbar and he is S7814+. I have updated the M222 tree diagram. >>>> >>>> Iain >>>> >>>> http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf >>>> >>> Ian Dunbar has advised that his male line traces back to Enniskillen Co. Fermanagh. >>> >>> Iain >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

73398 McConchie R1b1a2 DF85+

Ian Dunbar contacted me 2 weeks ago with his haplogroup designation from the Chromo2 test. Chromo2 only told him he was M222. It wasn't until I sent him the new M222 HaploTree chart that we discovered he was S7814. He has yet to test at FTDNA and has given me no ancestral information other than to say he qualified for Sponsorship based on our Dunbar "Most Wanted List". Sponsorship funds have been offered but, so far he's not taken the offer. More importantly, the Dunbar Project has two M222 men testing the BigY. The first is Kit #56598 who is in Dunbar Lineage 4 and a member of the M222 Project. The other is kit # 205549 and is in our confirmed M222 Lineage 2 Group. He is not a M222 member......yet! http://www.dunbardna.com/wfydnaresults.htm We may discover if Ian fits into either one of these two Dunbar Lineage groups once the Big Y results start coming back. Not unless someone can convince him to Y-DNA test at FTDNA. Debra -- Debra Dunbar Nowell – Administrator - Dunbar Surname YDNA Project http://www.DunbarDNA.org/ DNA Administrator- Clan Dunbar, Inc. http://www.clandunbar.com/ DNA Administrator-South Africian Cape Coloured Project http://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com/public/Cape_Coloured_DNA_Project/%20/ DNA Administrator-Kilcoyne/Coyne Surname Project http://www.WorldFamilies.net/surnames/Kilcoyne/ Join us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/DunbarDNA/ *A Family Tree DNA project*

Hi Doug, I'm an amateur too, so I'm always happy to hear what other people have to say. The names I've mentioned seem very prominent in the lower levels as well, though there are a lot of Dohertys and variants. I had been thinking that there was a link to them before, but if the Sligo link is right, it might just be because of proximity to Donegal. I'm also 7/111 from the M222 modal, so I might be getting a lot of results from haplotype convergence as well. That was the main reason for my focusing on my 67- and 111-marker matches. I'm still looking through things, but in other surname projects I've found a Feeney (Kit #216301) who tested at 5/37 away from me that matches three of my off-modals: YCAIIb=22, DYS456=16 and DYS576=20, and a Coleman from Sligo (Kit # 51172) that matches at YCAIIb=22 and DYS456=16. (His DYS576=19, halfway between the modal's 18 and my 20 value.) There are also a couple men in the Dowd project, like Kit #66037, that have YCAIIb=22 and DYS456=16. I would hope that this indicates not all of my Uí Fiachrach matches occur just because I'm close to the modal. I'd love to do some more SNP testing to help clarify things, but I really don't have enough money to spare at the moment, so I'll probably wait to see what happens after Big Y and Chromo2 results have been analyzed. Kyle On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 11:50 AM, tuulen <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Kyle, > > My name is Morrison, and I am now enlisted on two family projects, the > (Irish) Doherty project and the (Scottish) Morrison project. Honestly, I > could belong to either group. > > By both genetical and historical reasons it appears that I am more closely > related to the Doherty family, with my family having been of the Donegal > O'Muirgheasain family. > > You have tested to 111 STR markers, good for you! But have you looked at > any lower levels? For instance, have you looked at 25 or 37 markers, as a > broad outlook at who your genetic relatives might be? > > We in this M222 game must often go on the hunt, using unique strategies. > > I am an amateur at this, but let me know if I could be of any help. > > Best, > > Doug > > > > > On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Kyle DePew <[email protected]> wrote: > > > No Morrises or Morrisseys. The closest I have to anything similar is a > > somewhat distant 2/25 match with a Morrison, who *might* be an > > O'Muirghesa. Apparently Morrison is an anglicization used in Sligo: > > > > > > > http://books.google.com/books?id=fgMGAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=mac+giolla+riabhach&source=bl&ots=r6mqvEviP1&sig=bdegJdLc8iUFBFtsJ4DmbqGg2-Q&hl=en&sa=X&ei=346kUoGzFMfd2QXTi4DADQ&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Morissy&f=false > > > > (See footnote on pages 273-274.) > > > > O'Muirghesa is also listed as part of Clanna Temin with Mac Giolla > > Riabhaigh and Ó Donnchadha, but Temin was a great-grandson of Nath Í, > High > > King of Ireland, which would place the split as early as the sixth > > century. Members of that family might just be too distantly related to > > show up, provided the genealogies are correct. > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 11:34 PM, tuulen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Kyle, > > > > > > You have done considerable research and are now onto something. At the > > > mention of Sligo, could you be related to any of the O'Muirghesa > (Morris > > > and Morrissey)? > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Kyle DePew <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I've mostly been reading messages on this list and not contributing > > > > anything, but recently I've been attempting to place my own family by > > > > looking at my matches. My 4th great-grandfather was almost certainly > > an > > > > NPE whose father was named Gray. The progenitor of this Gray family, > > > John > > > > Gray (d. 1751, Augusta County, VA) is said to have come from Ireland, > > but > > > > there is no proof and there is no convincing evidence of where in > > Ireland > > > > he came from. I just wanted to get opinions from more knowledgeable > > > people > > > > on the list on whether or not I and some of my matches might > comprise a > > > > cluster of Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe lines. > > > > > > > > I think it's possible that we descend from the Mac Giolla Riabhaigh > > > family > > > > seated at Criochan or Creaghaun (Carrowreagh?), Skreen Parish, County > > > > Sligo, according to Woulfe. Below is a list of those surnames in my > > 67- > > > > and 111-marker match lists that could correspond to Uí Fiachrach > > Muaidhe > > > > families and their genetic distances from me. I've added kit numbers > > > where > > > > I can find them in the R-M222 Project: > > > > > > > > 236891 Byrne: Ó Birn of north of Ballinrobe, Mayo? There is a family > > by > > > > this name in Dromard (parish bordering Skreen to the east). 9/111 > > > > > > > > Carnes: Mac Corraidhín of Skreen? MacFirbis says this is > > > > anglicized as Currin. There is a Carrane in Griffith's Valuation of > > > > Skreen, presumably of this family. 8/111 > > > > > > > > Coleman: Ó Colmáin of Grangemore, Templeboy (parish > > bordering > > > > Skreen to the west). 7/67 > > > > > > > > N32460 Coyne: Although the MDKA is from Athlone, could this be Ó > Cuain > > of > > > > Doonycoy, Templeboy? The name is found in Skreen in Griffith's > > Valuation. > > > > Queen and Quinn also show up in my 111 marker matches. 9/111 > > > > > > > > Donoghue: Ó Donnchadha of Tireragh. Part of Clanna Temin > > > along > > > > with Mac Giolla Riabhaigh. 10/111 > > > > > > > > Dowdy: Ó Dubhda, rulers of Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe, seated > in > > > > Easky (parish ~10 miles west of Skreen), Sligo. 7/67 > > > > > > > > 82938? Fannin: Ó Fionnán, chiefs of Coolcarney, Mayo? 5/67 > > > > > > > > Feeney: Ó Fianna of Finned, Easky. 5/67 > > > > > > > > Gilmore: Mac Giolla Mhir of Finnure, Skreen, Sligo. > 10/111 > > > > > > > > Lindsay: Ó Loingsigh of Sligo. There is a Lindsay in > > > Griffith's > > > > Valuation of Easky. Sometimes anglicized as Lynch, which is also > found > > in > > > > Skreen and Dromard. 6/67 > > > > > > > > Murphy: Ó Murchadha, formerly rulers of Skreen and > > Templeboy, > > > > Sligo. 7/111 > > > > > > > > Additional (non-Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe) surnames found in my match list > > and > > > > in Griffith's Valuation of Skreen Parish, Sligo: > > > > > > > > Hart 9/111 > > > > N106427 O'Donnell 10/111 > > > > > > > > Additional non-Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe surnames found in my match list > and > > > in > > > > Griffith's Valuation of Dromard Parish, Sligo: > > > > > > > > 203361 Carroll 6/67 > > > > 193665 Daugherty 10/111 > > > > > > > > Carroll could be the local Ó Cearbhaill family of Caltry, Sligo. > > > > > > > > Of course I can't say for certain that these identifications are > > correct, > > > > but a Sligo origin for our Grays would seem to explain most of my > > closest > > > > matches. I won't presume to know why Hart, O'Donnell, Carroll and > > > > Daugherty/Doherty should be in my list. Maybe NPEs or Uí Fiachrach > who > > > > joined other clans? Or just haplotype convergence? > > > > > > > > Kyle > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Gene, Thank you for this information. To my knowledge, there is no proof that our Ashley DNA Group is genetically related to this Astley family. I cannot follow your suggestion that there is a correlation between the Klyosov and Conroy theory and the existence of an Astley living in the same area centuries later. What is the basis for your conclusion? Sandi Ashley Sutton "Anatole A. Klyosov1 and Paul M. Conroy2 ... The “oldest” common ancestor of M222 in the Isles lived in Devon, England (2025±235 ybp), though some M222 ... 1 ASTLEY COOPER - Mundia's _www.uk.mundia.com/gb/Search/Results?...ASTLEY%20COOPER_ (http://www.uk.mundia.com/gb/Search/Results?...ASTLEY%20COOPER) ... Lived in: Plymouth, Devon, England ... Sir Patrick Graham Baronet Astley Cooper ... 4 immediate family members including Sir Richard Lord Modbury and ... Joan ASTLEY - Theharmons.us _www.theharmons.us/harmon_t/b53.htm_ (http://www.theharmons.us/harmon_t/b53.htm) Alice ASTLEY was born in 1347 in Estleigh,Devonshire,England. ... sister of Thomas ASTLEY [3rd LORD ASTLEY], and daughter of Sir Giles Astley,"

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Kit 36864 Strain, GA - DF85+, DF 97+.

Hi Kyle, My name is Morrison, and I am now enlisted on two family projects, the (Irish) Doherty project and the (Scottish) Morrison project. Honestly, I could belong to either group. By both genetical and historical reasons it appears that I am more closely related to the Doherty family, with my family having been of the Donegal O'Muirgheasain family. You have tested to 111 STR markers, good for you! But have you looked at any lower levels? For instance, have you looked at 25 or 37 markers, as a broad outlook at who your genetic relatives might be? We in this M222 game must often go on the hunt, using unique strategies. I am an amateur at this, but let me know if I could be of any help. Best, Doug On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Kyle DePew <[email protected]> wrote: > No Morrises or Morrisseys. The closest I have to anything similar is a > somewhat distant 2/25 match with a Morrison, who *might* be an > O'Muirghesa. Apparently Morrison is an anglicization used in Sligo: > > > http://books.google.com/books?id=fgMGAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=mac+giolla+riabhach&source=bl&ots=r6mqvEviP1&sig=bdegJdLc8iUFBFtsJ4DmbqGg2-Q&hl=en&sa=X&ei=346kUoGzFMfd2QXTi4DADQ&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Morissy&f=false > > (See footnote on pages 273-274.) > > O'Muirghesa is also listed as part of Clanna Temin with Mac Giolla > Riabhaigh and Ó Donnchadha, but Temin was a great-grandson of Nath Í, High > King of Ireland, which would place the split as early as the sixth > century. Members of that family might just be too distantly related to > show up, provided the genealogies are correct. > > > On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 11:34 PM, tuulen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Kyle, > > > > You have done considerable research and are now onto something. At the > > mention of Sligo, could you be related to any of the O'Muirghesa (Morris > > and Morrissey)? > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Kyle DePew <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I've mostly been reading messages on this list and not contributing > > > anything, but recently I've been attempting to place my own family by > > > looking at my matches. My 4th great-grandfather was almost certainly > an > > > NPE whose father was named Gray. The progenitor of this Gray family, > > John > > > Gray (d. 1751, Augusta County, VA) is said to have come from Ireland, > but > > > there is no proof and there is no convincing evidence of where in > Ireland > > > he came from. I just wanted to get opinions from more knowledgeable > > people > > > on the list on whether or not I and some of my matches might comprise a > > > cluster of Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe lines. > > > > > > I think it's possible that we descend from the Mac Giolla Riabhaigh > > family > > > seated at Criochan or Creaghaun (Carrowreagh?), Skreen Parish, County > > > Sligo, according to Woulfe. Below is a list of those surnames in my > 67- > > > and 111-marker match lists that could correspond to Uí Fiachrach > Muaidhe > > > families and their genetic distances from me. I've added kit numbers > > where > > > I can find them in the R-M222 Project: > > > > > > 236891 Byrne: Ó Birn of north of Ballinrobe, Mayo? There is a family > by > > > this name in Dromard (parish bordering Skreen to the east). 9/111 > > > > > > Carnes: Mac Corraidhín of Skreen? MacFirbis says this is > > > anglicized as Currin. There is a Carrane in Griffith's Valuation of > > > Skreen, presumably of this family. 8/111 > > > > > > Coleman: Ó Colmáin of Grangemore, Templeboy (parish > bordering > > > Skreen to the west). 7/67 > > > > > > N32460 Coyne: Although the MDKA is from Athlone, could this be Ó Cuain > of > > > Doonycoy, Templeboy? The name is found in Skreen in Griffith's > Valuation. > > > Queen and Quinn also show up in my 111 marker matches. 9/111 > > > > > > Donoghue: Ó Donnchadha of Tireragh. Part of Clanna Temin > > along > > > with Mac Giolla Riabhaigh. 10/111 > > > > > > Dowdy: Ó Dubhda, rulers of Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe, seated in > > > Easky (parish ~10 miles west of Skreen), Sligo. 7/67 > > > > > > 82938? Fannin: Ó Fionnán, chiefs of Coolcarney, Mayo? 5/67 > > > > > > Feeney: Ó Fianna of Finned, Easky. 5/67 > > > > > > Gilmore: Mac Giolla Mhir of Finnure, Skreen, Sligo. 10/111 > > > > > > Lindsay: Ó Loingsigh of Sligo. There is a Lindsay in > > Griffith's > > > Valuation of Easky. Sometimes anglicized as Lynch, which is also found > in > > > Skreen and Dromard. 6/67 > > > > > > Murphy: Ó Murchadha, formerly rulers of Skreen and > Templeboy, > > > Sligo. 7/111 > > > > > > Additional (non-Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe) surnames found in my match list > and > > > in Griffith's Valuation of Skreen Parish, Sligo: > > > > > > Hart 9/111 > > > N106427 O'Donnell 10/111 > > > > > > Additional non-Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe surnames found in my match list and > > in > > > Griffith's Valuation of Dromard Parish, Sligo: > > > > > > 203361 Carroll 6/67 > > > 193665 Daugherty 10/111 > > > > > > Carroll could be the local Ó Cearbhaill family of Caltry, Sligo. > > > > > > Of course I can't say for certain that these identifications are > correct, > > > but a Sligo origin for our Grays would seem to explain most of my > closest > > > matches. I won't presume to know why Hart, O'Donnell, Carroll and > > > Daugherty/Doherty should be in my list. Maybe NPEs or Uí Fiachrach who > > > joined other clans? Or just haplotype convergence? > > > > > > Kyle > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Well in my view the Dunbars over there are post 1600 arrivals. Their big stronghold is in NE Scotland but there is also a smaller group in Ayrshire and it would be fascinating to link him up to one of those two, especially as it is becoming more obvious how far east M222 spreads. Logic would dictate that he came from Ayrshire. Iain > Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 19:59:02 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Chromo2 further results > > Is Mr. Dunbar then a descendant of Scots Planters or part of the Native > Irish that remained? > > Fermanagh was a stronghold of the Maguire clan > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maguire_of_Fermanagh> and Donn Carrach > Maguire (died 1302) was the first of the chiefs of the Maguire dynasty. > However on the confiscation of lands relating to Hugh Maguire > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Maguire_%28Lord_of_Fermanagh%29>, > Fermanagh was divided in similar manner to the other five escheated > counties among Scottish and English undertakers and native Irish. > > On 12/7/2013 5:32 PM, Iain Kennedy wrote: > >> This morning I stumbled by chance on a reference to another M222 Chromo2 result that hadn't been brought to our attention. The surname is Dunbar and he is S7814+. I have updated the M222 tree diagram. > >> > >> Iain > >> > >> http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > >> > > Ian Dunbar has advised that his male line traces back to Enniskillen Co. Fermanagh. > > > > Iain > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No Morrises or Morrisseys. The closest I have to anything similar is a somewhat distant 2/25 match with a Morrison, who *might* be an O'Muirghesa. Apparently Morrison is an anglicization used in Sligo: http://books.google.com/books?id=fgMGAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=mac+giolla+riabhach&source=bl&ots=r6mqvEviP1&sig=bdegJdLc8iUFBFtsJ4DmbqGg2-Q&hl=en&sa=X&ei=346kUoGzFMfd2QXTi4DADQ&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Morissy&f=false (See footnote on pages 273-274.) O'Muirghesa is also listed as part of Clanna Temin with Mac Giolla Riabhaigh and Ó Donnchadha, but Temin was a great-grandson of Nath Í, High King of Ireland, which would place the split as early as the sixth century. Members of that family might just be too distantly related to show up, provided the genealogies are correct. On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 11:34 PM, tuulen <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Kyle, > > You have done considerable research and are now onto something. At the > mention of Sligo, could you be related to any of the O'Muirghesa (Morris > and Morrissey)? > > > On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Kyle DePew <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I've mostly been reading messages on this list and not contributing > > anything, but recently I've been attempting to place my own family by > > looking at my matches. My 4th great-grandfather was almost certainly an > > NPE whose father was named Gray. The progenitor of this Gray family, > John > > Gray (d. 1751, Augusta County, VA) is said to have come from Ireland, but > > there is no proof and there is no convincing evidence of where in Ireland > > he came from. I just wanted to get opinions from more knowledgeable > people > > on the list on whether or not I and some of my matches might comprise a > > cluster of Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe lines. > > > > I think it's possible that we descend from the Mac Giolla Riabhaigh > family > > seated at Criochan or Creaghaun (Carrowreagh?), Skreen Parish, County > > Sligo, according to Woulfe. Below is a list of those surnames in my 67- > > and 111-marker match lists that could correspond to Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe > > families and their genetic distances from me. I've added kit numbers > where > > I can find them in the R-M222 Project: > > > > 236891 Byrne: Ó Birn of north of Ballinrobe, Mayo? There is a family by > > this name in Dromard (parish bordering Skreen to the east). 9/111 > > > > Carnes: Mac Corraidhín of Skreen? MacFirbis says this is > > anglicized as Currin. There is a Carrane in Griffith's Valuation of > > Skreen, presumably of this family. 8/111 > > > > Coleman: Ó Colmáin of Grangemore, Templeboy (parish bordering > > Skreen to the west). 7/67 > > > > N32460 Coyne: Although the MDKA is from Athlone, could this be Ó Cuain of > > Doonycoy, Templeboy? The name is found in Skreen in Griffith's Valuation. > > Queen and Quinn also show up in my 111 marker matches. 9/111 > > > > Donoghue: Ó Donnchadha of Tireragh. Part of Clanna Temin > along > > with Mac Giolla Riabhaigh. 10/111 > > > > Dowdy: Ó Dubhda, rulers of Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe, seated in > > Easky (parish ~10 miles west of Skreen), Sligo. 7/67 > > > > 82938? Fannin: Ó Fionnán, chiefs of Coolcarney, Mayo? 5/67 > > > > Feeney: Ó Fianna of Finned, Easky. 5/67 > > > > Gilmore: Mac Giolla Mhir of Finnure, Skreen, Sligo. 10/111 > > > > Lindsay: Ó Loingsigh of Sligo. There is a Lindsay in > Griffith's > > Valuation of Easky. Sometimes anglicized as Lynch, which is also found in > > Skreen and Dromard. 6/67 > > > > Murphy: Ó Murchadha, formerly rulers of Skreen and Templeboy, > > Sligo. 7/111 > > > > Additional (non-Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe) surnames found in my match list and > > in Griffith's Valuation of Skreen Parish, Sligo: > > > > Hart 9/111 > > N106427 O'Donnell 10/111 > > > > Additional non-Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe surnames found in my match list and > in > > Griffith's Valuation of Dromard Parish, Sligo: > > > > 203361 Carroll 6/67 > > 193665 Daugherty 10/111 > > > > Carroll could be the local Ó Cearbhaill family of Caltry, Sligo. > > > > Of course I can't say for certain that these identifications are correct, > > but a Sligo origin for our Grays would seem to explain most of my closest > > matches. I won't presume to know why Hart, O'Donnell, Carroll and > > Daugherty/Doherty should be in my list. Maybe NPEs or Uí Fiachrach who > > joined other clans? Or just haplotype convergence? > > > > Kyle > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Kyle, You have done considerable research and are now onto something. At the mention of Sligo, could you be related to any of the O'Muirghesa (Morris and Morrissey)? On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Kyle DePew <[email protected]> wrote: > I've mostly been reading messages on this list and not contributing > anything, but recently I've been attempting to place my own family by > looking at my matches. My 4th great-grandfather was almost certainly an > NPE whose father was named Gray. The progenitor of this Gray family, John > Gray (d. 1751, Augusta County, VA) is said to have come from Ireland, but > there is no proof and there is no convincing evidence of where in Ireland > he came from. I just wanted to get opinions from more knowledgeable people > on the list on whether or not I and some of my matches might comprise a > cluster of Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe lines. > > I think it's possible that we descend from the Mac Giolla Riabhaigh family > seated at Criochan or Creaghaun (Carrowreagh?), Skreen Parish, County > Sligo, according to Woulfe. Below is a list of those surnames in my 67- > and 111-marker match lists that could correspond to Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe > families and their genetic distances from me. I've added kit numbers where > I can find them in the R-M222 Project: > > 236891 Byrne: Ó Birn of north of Ballinrobe, Mayo? There is a family by > this name in Dromard (parish bordering Skreen to the east). 9/111 > > Carnes: Mac Corraidhín of Skreen? MacFirbis says this is > anglicized as Currin. There is a Carrane in Griffith's Valuation of > Skreen, presumably of this family. 8/111 > > Coleman: Ó Colmáin of Grangemore, Templeboy (parish bordering > Skreen to the west). 7/67 > > N32460 Coyne: Although the MDKA is from Athlone, could this be Ó Cuain of > Doonycoy, Templeboy? The name is found in Skreen in Griffith's Valuation. > Queen and Quinn also show up in my 111 marker matches. 9/111 > > Donoghue: Ó Donnchadha of Tireragh. Part of Clanna Temin along > with Mac Giolla Riabhaigh. 10/111 > > Dowdy: Ó Dubhda, rulers of Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe, seated in > Easky (parish ~10 miles west of Skreen), Sligo. 7/67 > > 82938? Fannin: Ó Fionnán, chiefs of Coolcarney, Mayo? 5/67 > > Feeney: Ó Fianna of Finned, Easky. 5/67 > > Gilmore: Mac Giolla Mhir of Finnure, Skreen, Sligo. 10/111 > > Lindsay: Ó Loingsigh of Sligo. There is a Lindsay in Griffith's > Valuation of Easky. Sometimes anglicized as Lynch, which is also found in > Skreen and Dromard. 6/67 > > Murphy: Ó Murchadha, formerly rulers of Skreen and Templeboy, > Sligo. 7/111 > > Additional (non-Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe) surnames found in my match list and > in Griffith's Valuation of Skreen Parish, Sligo: > > Hart 9/111 > N106427 O'Donnell 10/111 > > Additional non-Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe surnames found in my match list and in > Griffith's Valuation of Dromard Parish, Sligo: > > 203361 Carroll 6/67 > 193665 Daugherty 10/111 > > Carroll could be the local Ó Cearbhaill family of Caltry, Sligo. > > Of course I can't say for certain that these identifications are correct, > but a Sligo origin for our Grays would seem to explain most of my closest > matches. I won't presume to know why Hart, O'Donnell, Carroll and > Daugherty/Doherty should be in my list. Maybe NPEs or Uí Fiachrach who > joined other clans? Or just haplotype convergence? > > Kyle > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All, One interesting thing about the M222 project is that you likely could be Irish, but not necessarily so, for as M222 you could also be English, Manx, Scottish, Welsh or of one of the other M222 clans. But anyway, we all fall into one big genetic family. Best, Doug On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:28 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Could you pass along Iain's e-mail address as I would like to check an > see if he is in my line? > > Thanks Billy Dunbar > > > In a message dated 12/7/2013 4:34:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > This morning I stumbled by chance on a reference to another M222 Chromo2 > result that hadn't been brought to our attention. The surname is Dunbar > and he is S7814+. I have updated the M222 tree diagram. > > > > Iain > > > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > > > > Ian Dunbar has advised that his male line traces back to Enniskillen Co. > Fermanagh. > > Iain > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

> This morning I stumbled by chance on a reference to another M222 Chromo2 result that hadn't been brought to our attention. The surname is Dunbar and he is S7814+. I have updated the M222 tree diagram. > > Iain > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > Ian Dunbar has advised that his male line traces back to Enniskillen Co. Fermanagh. Iain

Could you pass along Iain's e-mail address as I would like to check an see if he is in my line? Thanks Billy Dunbar In a message dated 12/7/2013 4:34:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > This morning I stumbled by chance on a reference to another M222 Chromo2 result that hadn't been brought to our attention. The surname is Dunbar and he is S7814+. I have updated the M222 tree diagram. > > Iain > > http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf > Ian Dunbar has advised that his male line traces back to Enniskillen Co. Fermanagh. Iain ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is Mr. Dunbar then a descendant of Scots Planters or part of the Native Irish that remained? Fermanagh was a stronghold of the Maguire clan <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maguire_of_Fermanagh> and Donn Carrach Maguire (died 1302) was the first of the chiefs of the Maguire dynasty. However on the confiscation of lands relating to Hugh Maguire <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Maguire_%28Lord_of_Fermanagh%29>, Fermanagh was divided in similar manner to the other five escheated counties among Scottish and English undertakers and native Irish. On 12/7/2013 5:32 PM, Iain Kennedy wrote: >> This morning I stumbled by chance on a reference to another M222 Chromo2 result that hadn't been brought to our attention. The surname is Dunbar and he is S7814+. I have updated the M222 tree diagram. >> >> Iain >> >> http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf >> > Ian Dunbar has advised that his male line traces back to Enniskillen Co. Fermanagh. > > Iain > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I've mostly been reading messages on this list and not contributing anything, but recently I've been attempting to place my own family by looking at my matches. My 4th great-grandfather was almost certainly an NPE whose father was named Gray. The progenitor of this Gray family, John Gray (d. 1751, Augusta County, VA) is said to have come from Ireland, but there is no proof and there is no convincing evidence of where in Ireland he came from. I just wanted to get opinions from more knowledgeable people on the list on whether or not I and some of my matches might comprise a cluster of Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe lines. I think it's possible that we descend from the Mac Giolla Riabhaigh family seated at Criochan or Creaghaun (Carrowreagh?), Skreen Parish, County Sligo, according to Woulfe. Below is a list of those surnames in my 67- and 111-marker match lists that could correspond to Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe families and their genetic distances from me. I've added kit numbers where I can find them in the R-M222 Project: 236891 Byrne: Ó Birn of north of Ballinrobe, Mayo? There is a family by this name in Dromard (parish bordering Skreen to the east). 9/111 Carnes: Mac Corraidhín of Skreen? MacFirbis says this is anglicized as Currin. There is a Carrane in Griffith's Valuation of Skreen, presumably of this family. 8/111 Coleman: Ó Colmáin of Grangemore, Templeboy (parish bordering Skreen to the west). 7/67 N32460 Coyne: Although the MDKA is from Athlone, could this be Ó Cuain of Doonycoy, Templeboy? The name is found in Skreen in Griffith's Valuation. Queen and Quinn also show up in my 111 marker matches. 9/111 Donoghue: Ó Donnchadha of Tireragh. Part of Clanna Temin along with Mac Giolla Riabhaigh. 10/111 Dowdy: Ó Dubhda, rulers of Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe, seated in Easky (parish ~10 miles west of Skreen), Sligo. 7/67 82938? Fannin: Ó Fionnán, chiefs of Coolcarney, Mayo? 5/67 Feeney: Ó Fianna of Finned, Easky. 5/67 Gilmore: Mac Giolla Mhir of Finnure, Skreen, Sligo. 10/111 Lindsay: Ó Loingsigh of Sligo. There is a Lindsay in Griffith's Valuation of Easky. Sometimes anglicized as Lynch, which is also found in Skreen and Dromard. 6/67 Murphy: Ó Murchadha, formerly rulers of Skreen and Templeboy, Sligo. 7/111 Additional (non-Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe) surnames found in my match list and in Griffith's Valuation of Skreen Parish, Sligo: Hart 9/111 N106427 O'Donnell 10/111 Additional non-Uí Fiachrach Muaidhe surnames found in my match list and in Griffith's Valuation of Dromard Parish, Sligo: 203361 Carroll 6/67 193665 Daugherty 10/111 Carroll could be the local Ó Cearbhaill family of Caltry, Sligo. Of course I can't say for certain that these identifications are correct, but a Sligo origin for our Grays would seem to explain most of my closest matches. I won't presume to know why Hart, O'Donnell, Carroll and Daugherty/Doherty should be in my list. Maybe NPEs or Uí Fiachrach who joined other clans? Or just haplotype convergence? Kyle

This morning I stumbled by chance on a reference to another M222 Chromo2 result that hadn't been brought to our attention. The surname is Dunbar and he is S7814+. I have updated the M222 tree diagram. Iain http://www.kennedydna.com/M222.pdf

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