Re: "Jeffery Disberowe" (see also something VERY surprising in this "multi-layered" info, within/below!).... Doris Lobe recently sent me some of her material referencing our Disbrowe relations in Cambridgeshire, England. BTW, I must apologize here for never before realizing that it was Doris (God, bless her!) who did SO VERY MUCH of the hard work in recording the English Parish records across the "big puddle" on our Disbrows. But I simply have never before had access to this material (nor was ever ready to ask for it until now), but for the very helpful posting of so much of this on List by Barbara Hutchins last year. This material seems to indicate no known relationship of the "Jeffery Disberowe/Disbrowe" to Eltisley's John "Disbrowe", the elder, etc. (of a Thomas Disbrowe line we are considering). Apparently, we can now say otherwise about Jeffery (perhaps our Thomas too, as you will note further below!!). Please recall what Henry Waters reported in his "Genealogical Gleanings in England" which I posted recently (NEGHR, Ap 1887, p. 353): "JEFFERY DISBEROWE of Borowghe [see immed. below as per Waters] in the County of Cambridge, yoeman, 19 July, 1588. pro: 18 April 1589, mentions John Disberowe of Elsely, Cambridge, yoeman, and his heirs, sister Agnes Disberowe and George Knock alias Ansell of Binckley, blacksmith." ["From Lyson's Magna Britannia (London, 1808) we learn that Burgh or Burough Green (called Borowghe in Jeffery Disberowe's will) is in the Hundred of Radfield and deanery of Camps, about four miles south of Newmarket, and about eight miles north of Linton. Close to it is the parish of Brinkley, called Binckley in the will." --p. 362] While Waters does NOT mention any direct kinship relation with the John Disberowe of "Elsely" also mentioned in Jeffery's will, above (at least as in abstract by Waters), can we not now believe at least, of course, that Jeffery had some very close relationship, "doubtless" of family blood, with the John who later would reside at "Eltisley", also of Cambridge Co.?? ALSO, I note with some fascination that Jeffery Disberowe mentions a "blacksmith" in his will, above. Excuse me for picking up on the 'small stuff', but I wonder if this converges at all with the two John "Davies" mentioned in Waters' abstract of the 1672 will of Martha Pennoyer, proved 1674. Recall that she was "relict" of William Pennoyer who is so prominent re: the Harvard Aid, see Harvard's gen/Pennoyer website at: http://drwilliams.org/doc/Web-26.htm, along with Holworthy wills as reported by Waters as "a continuation of the wills of benefactors of Harvard College and their families"; ....William Pennoyer was also brother-in-law to Rose Hobson Disbrowe, Samuel Disbrowe's 2nd wife, with Samuel's grandfather, apparently, being one "John Disbrowe", per Waters, also of Eltisley. That "blacksmith" reference in Jeffery's will abstract (though earlier in time) is so very interesting to me now because of Martha Pennoyer's will reference to: "John Davies, merchant, and his son John," which fact is provocative esp. when put together with Donald Lines Jacobus' listing in his Fairfield families of two John "Davis"(!) individuals (sr. & jr.) as resident later in 17th century Fairfield, CT. He also lists one Samuel "Davis" (s. of John Sr.) who was "the BLACKSMITH at Fairfield" (m. dau. of Benjamin Banks, 1685; my emphasis). If you've caught on to my "relational analysis" thing, what can too easily become somewhat TOO hyper-extended I should add, then you know what the next question must be: "was the Fairfield 'Davis' line somehow once involved with those 'Disberowe'/ Pennoyer lines back at England??" I note 'for curiosity's sake only' that that "John Davies" full-name, & spelled just as in Martha's will, also crops-up in the Mass. Bay Colony Records for 5 March 1638/9 (pp. 248-9), AND appearing in the same Court session with one Isaac "Deesbury," who himself was "committed & fined 5(L's?) for stealing at Pecoit, out of whc the 3 witnesses are to have 5s a peece, & the psecutor 10sh./" Hey, we can't like every little thing that our very high-spirited ancestors were up to! The many involved "offences" of this very young man, Isaac the younger, during his brief stint in America as an adventuring youth, ....well now, could they ALL have accumulated in contribution to his "hot-footing" it very suddenly BACK to olde England? If so, & I think so, then they also indicate when this return-trip may have occurred (see below & for our extended examination in a later e-mail!). And what "offence" did one "JOHN Davies", above, commit upon the good people of Mass. Bay Colony? ....Oh, Oh, now plse don't be coming after me with pitchforks(!!) or something, BUT it says in those crt. records (p. 248): "JOHN DAVIES, for grosse offences in attempting lewdnes wth divers weomen, was censured to bee severely whiped, both heare & at Ipswich, & to weare the letter V upon his breast upon his uppermost garment until the court do discharge him./ " Ipswich was exactly where a "John Davies" is shown "by 1641" as a "first settler" (per "Ipswich in the Mass. Bay Colony" lists by Thomas Franklin Waters, p. 491). Also shown in that town by 1637 is one Rev. Nathaniel ROGERS, ....you will note that Samuel Pennoyer, 1st husband of Rose Disbrowe, mentions one "John Rogers" in his later 1654 will (as one of his noted London "Company of Drapers"---were these folks some of the "merchant adventurer" FINANCIERS of our New England settlements?). The "Davis" name also appears early at New Haven Colony (per church & NH Town Records, 1655-6). Also at Ipswich on the list of "first settlers" is one surnamed "Browne" (Edward), and two more "Brown" surnamed, (Richard, "now at Newbury," and John). Brownes are also noted in Rose Disbrowe's 1698 will as "my nephew Mr. Samuel Browne and my niece Mrs. Elizabeth Browne." 'Brown,' unfortunately, is a VERY common surname, altho. she does address her nephew with the highly respectful "Mr.," reserved for "gentlemen" only then. Also on the Ipswich 1st settlers list is "my" Rev. Nathaniel WARD I've been looking for. You will recall I was looking for earlier references to this very prominent gentleman re: our Disbrowe network in CT, where Rev. Ward also apparently resided at Hartford per 1640 Map, and later at Middletown too by 1650s; together with a Rev. Samuel Stow of that place recall (....also printed in the back of Ipswich History, above ref'd, are several letters Rev. Nath'l Ward wrote to Gov. John Winthrop, Jr.---important to my book project). For your additional reference, the following "very provocative" names appear on the 1643 'census' of planters at New Haven Colony, together with our very interestingly troublesome (only a bit!!) Arthur "Halbridge" (I will have MORE later e-mail on Arthur's Massachusetts Bay Colony records, recorded by 1635-!!--; he is there together with such "provoking" names as John Crosse, John Johnson, Robert & Samuel Cole/Coles, Nicholas Frost, James & Timothy Hawkins, James White, John Greene, others ...& "together" with one James Russell --"merchant, desceased att Dorchester"--plus 'Henry Russell'---plse do recall another "James Russell," yet living, mentioned in Samuel Pennoyer's later 1654 will as also being in the Company of Drapers; ...& most provocatively for my purposes: ... Arthur is noted with a "John Sitcklin" in a crt session with him in 1638, MA Bay! Could this be John Strickland of early Hempstead, LI??). Here is the list of "provocative" names from the 1643 New Haven census (which also lists these, & many more, with their estate value, plus number of persons in household; per "History of New Haven Colony" by Edward Lambert, pp. 54-55): Nicholas "ELSEY" [see above Waters reference to a "John Disberowe of ELSELY, Cambridge",... noted in Jeffery Disberowe's 1588 will]....2 persons. Arthur Halbridge......4 persons numbered William Peck..........4 " [Peck surname, & one Paul Peck of early Hartford, are as we discussed already] Timothy Forde.........2 " [the "Edward Foord" 1639 London will per Henry Waters, listed just after the 1661 will of Wm Hobson, Rose's father, may be important, CLEARLY another "merchant adventurer", as perhaps with Disbrowe connections!] Peter Browne..........3 persons numbered Widow Greene........4 " [VERY IMPORTANT NOTE which I flagged you about above: according to Doris Lobe's very fine English parish research some years ago, a dau. of James Disbrowe Sr & Elizabeth Hatley, ie: Rebecca Disbrowe, m. one Rev. George "GREENE" 15 Nov 1631; & had a dau., also Rebecca, who m. a "JOHN NICHOLS"---Oh, Oh, can THIS be getting us startlingly close to my own 'Mercy Holbridge Disbrow' herself, & her own later family of Nichols at, guess what,..."GREENS"(!) Farms (Westport!), Ct;....recall that she too had a step-son also named John, and the extended Nichols family at Fairfield had one "Disborow Nichols" named son too! According to Doris Lobe's English info, the elder Rebecca's brother was none other than "Thomas Disbrowe" of the Eltisley Disbrowe's, born 1625! Could this actually signal an early "romantic convergence" with our own Mercy Holbridge NICHOLS too and this Thomas Disbrowe,...."startling thought"!! Doris flagged the following for me (quoted from her e-mail of 6/12/01): " .....[snip] 5) REBECCA BAPT 9 MAY6 1615 m) 15 NOV 1631 REV. GEORGE GREENE HAD DAU: (REBECCA) WHO MARRIED A JOHN NICHOLS: (A MARY BEDINGFIELD OF BECCLES, SUFFOLK, WIDOW, IN HER WILL DATED 3 FEB 1681-82, PROBATED 7 FEB 1681-82, NAMED JOHN NICHOLLS OF BECCLES AS SUPERVISOR OF HER WILL, A GROCER; WITNESSES: REBECCA NICHOLLS, SARAH BURRELL AND HEBRY MASON. THE WITNESS HEBRY MASON WAS POSSIBLY RELATED TO SUSAN MASON WHO MARRIED REBECCA'S BROTHER THOMAS DISBROW AT ST. PETER'S CHURCH AT CAMBRIDGE, 17 MAY 1651) NOTE: the name "Hebry" is spelled right. djl)....[snip] Back to New Haven 1643 census list : John Johnson.......5 persons numbered [He married Elizabeth Rolfe Disbrowe 1654, was it?] Benjamin Ling......2 persons numbered [he is mentioned often on MA Bay Recs, some sessions w/ Isaac Disbrowe/Arthur "Halbidge";.... he's also noted there once as "WING"---could this be the later whaleship owning Wing family line of New Bedford---....A witness to my own Capt. Scudder Squires' probate at Coxsackie, NY in 1853 was a "Wing" also, signing that document with my gggmother, Emma BROWN Squires! Brown's also owned whaleships at both N.Bedford & Sag Harbor! Ah yes, ...the spiral of the generations again ....]. William Andrews......8 persons numbered John Cooper......[he came over on the Hopewell with Isaac Disbrowe in 1635 and is also listed in early MA Bay Crt recs. And according to Waters who notes: "Isacke Desbrough, husbandman, of Ell-Tisley in Com Cambridge (aet.) 18 embarked early in April, 1635, on the HOPEWELL of London, for New England, having as fellow passengers, the families of COOPER--my emphasis--, Farrington, Purryer, Griggs and Kyrtland, from Olney, Laundon and Sherrington, Bucks, most of whom settled in Lynn, and a lot of Christians from the neighborhood of Nazing in Essex and Stansted Abbey in/Herts, many of whom formed a part of the flock of John Elliott at Roxbury. Mr. Disbrowe (as the name seems to have been more commonly spelled) probably lived in Lynn, altho. I find no record of the transfer of real estate either to or from him....etc, etc" , p. 361, NEGHR Oct 1887----SSquires notes 6/15: Please see name of FARRINGTON also there abrd "Hopewell" per Waters, since a "John Farrington" is listed carousing together with Isaac Disbrowe on records of MA Bay, and "forfecting their recognisance./" with him as well on 3 March 1639/40---...Is this then when our 'wild' Isaac may have returned to England, a bit more soberly one hopes??.. ALSO note curious surname of "Purryer" by Waters above----a wild guess, but could this be PENNOYER??? We do know Robert Pennoyer & his younger bro. Thomas shipped for NE also on "Hopewell", believed of that later passage in 1635---Were there then actually TWO such passages that year? Apparently so, since two separate captains are listed in 1635 for "Hopewell." Regarding the reference to Rev. John Elliot in Waters above: HE is very famous in our New England's early history as a pastor/teacher to Native Americans, not just for his so-called "prayer-towns", but also for a Bible translation he did in Algonquin language (all of which also happens to help explain what also became of the so-called "vanished race". Rev. Henry Whitfield of Guilford, when he returned to England with our Samuel Disbrowe in 1651, stopped to visit with the highly regarded Rev. Elliott whom he well knew. Henry would later write a treatise about this re: educating the natives, which he interestingly entitled something like, if memory serves correctly, "the Light Appearing More and More in New England" ---isn't this also a very appropriate metaphor, perhaps, for our own latter-day Disbrowe re-discoveries now!?] Back to 1643 NH census list: Mr. Marshall.......5 persons numbered [this is Thomas Marshall of New Haven colony, with "Marshall" surnamed as I've previously discussed re: Elizabeth Marshall Disbrowe of Eltisley Disbrowes] James Russell......2 persons numbered [ there is a "James Russell" also noted in Samuel Pennoyer's 1654 will, member of that VERY interesting "Company of Drapers" in London; the New Haven folks were mostly from London too, and no doubt Russells were among financial backers; ....so this is a THIRD one of that name since the one at MA Bay is "disceased" recall, or even possibly this one is that very same of Samuel Pennoyer's 1654 will] George Warde.....6 persons numbered Lawrence Ward...2 persons numbered [James Russell and the two Warde/Wards were, per 1641 Map of New Haven, situated exactly across stream, also on smaller plots of divided land, within the immediate neighborhood of ARTHUR HALBRIDGE, whose own very small house-lot was adjoining that of one William Peck, of my previous e-mail discussion, with Timothy Ford's immed. below that. These last three were within the even more crowded panhandle of New Haven, just south of the 'famous' nine squares, just above the Long Wharf.] I guess that's just about enuf of that for now, but I did want to point out also that there is only so much of this sort of "extended" research any ONE person can possibly stand, or that even makes any sense to perform, of course. So, we may never know some of the so-called "connections" above, but such research can often be very enlightening when not taken as any final authority, ...at least for those of us "crazy" enough to do it. Stephen T. Squires