Thank you Brian, for your intelligent and pertinent observations. You raise valid points. In a message dated 10/6/02 11:38:49 PM Central Daylight Time, bdisbury@email.msn.com writes: (snip) > > 1.The burial of Mr James Disbrow in Over in 1633 indicates a "Gentleman", > but I have not yet found a will.Who went to Over first,James, Nathaniel who > married Clemens there in 1618 or Joseph,Nathaniel's brother?? Is the Mr James > the James mentioned in John Disbrow, the Elder's will(but not mentioned as > son). Was it the same James that married Elizabeth Marshall in 1605? (snip) I concur. Wills for the various James' would be helpful. The identity of the James buried in Over in 1633 also is a piece of the puzzle which would help our understanding. > 2.The Over parish records that I have record the Hatley family but no > Elizabeth and she was not recorded as marrying James in Over or Eltisley. > However, the Eltisley parish register records Elizabeth Hatley wife of James > being buried in 1628.Jacobus Jnr was buried on December 1 1634 and Jacobus( > no Snr or Jnr) on October 23 1638. I have the wills but they are difficult to > read with any certainty (snip) Is the Elizabeth buried in 1628, identified as wife of James in the parish records? And is she definitely the Elizabeth Hatley ? Brian, again, thank you for pointing out the problems in the reconstruction of the two James and Elizabeth family groups, which I put forth. In a message dated 10/6/02 11:38:49 PM Central Daylight Time, bdisbury@email.msn.com writes: > > The issue seems to me to be when did James senior of 1605 ( Elizabeth > Marshall) leave the village????? Would that not resolve the question of > Thomas' father if he left before 1625?? > > I am trying to offer suggestions not make statements as I think that the > whole concept of ancestral information is clouded in a whole lot of secrecy > due to the religious disruptions of the time. At least that is what I have > experienced in my investigations. > > I would appreciate any answers to my questions and comments. Meanwhile can > we remember that we all only trying to seek the truth. Isn't that life?????? > I agree wholeheartedly. The only thing I can add at this time, is that James (the elder)'s will, written 14 Jan 1614/15 was probated 25 Oct 1638. James is recorded as buried in Eltisley on 23 Oct 1638. If period between death and probate was a matter of days, it would seem that the James known as Elder or Senior was buried in Eltisley. Carl Dunn