As this has been requested of me off-List, I post it now on-List...TWO will abstracts pertinent just now to our discussions: >From "English Origins of New England Families" by Gary Boyd Roberts, vol 3 (NEHGR excerpts, 1st series, 1984) I. JEFFRY DISBOROWE, Whaddon, County Cambridge, yeoman. will 16 March, 1622/3; proved 10 May, 1623. To son Bruno Disborow [tora] per annum for education at the school and university during life of his mother. To Bruno, James, Willyam and John 100 marks each. To two daughters Agnes and Rose 50 pnds each. [If wife Rose die before son Bruno and John, and his brothers-in-law Thomas Pentlow and John Bonner, to use of three sons, James, Willyam, and John, etc. etc To poore of Whaddon---[all erased; actually this could still be perhaps very readable, but for calligraphy, as it is simply crossed-out with single line in my original copy!] Residue to wife Rose, executrix. Witnesses: Clement Sentloe, Thoms Sentlow. Archdeaconry of Ely, Liber 7 (1611-1628), folio 317. 2. James Disbrowe of Eltisley the elder. Will 14 January, 1614/5; proved 25 October, 1688. To be buried in Eltisley churchyard. To wife Elizabeth tenements in Eltisley bought of Jeffrey Disbrowe with copy land, also copy lands in Great Gransden, co. Huntington, till my now eldest son James Disbrowe is 21; remainder to 2d son John Disbrowe, and 3d son William D. To eldest son James at 21 5 shillings and 50 pnds each to John and William, etc etc. Residue to wife Elizabeth, executrix. Witnesses: Jeffrey Disbrowe, Phillip Marshall, William Woodward. Archdeaconry of Ely, Liber 8 (1623 - 1639), folio 380. This is just to confuse things for us that this will of this JAMES, who my notes say married Elizabeth HATLEY, has as witness one surnamed "Marshall." The James who married a "Marshall" is believed not to have had sons named John & William, of course, as to just who did marry that Marshall it has seemingly been my fate to always wonder until I can try to make something of this at Cambridge this fall (or perhaps Carl Dunn already has)... It was also wrong of me to constantly believe the two James Disbrowes of Eltisley were in a linear line as even Johnson and Harold Disbrowe most emphatically DO NOT MAKE THAT CLAIM, as I mistakenyl too quickly noted too quickly today. HERE following is just what Eddis Johnson/Harold B. Disbrowe in 1986 DON'T have to say about this matter (and no I'm not going to post all their material without getting my scanner to work better!): John Disbrorowe, the Elder, of Eltisley, Yeoman c. 1526?-1574 m. Alice---- abt 1649; parents unknown {his will exists also: dated 14 September 1574, proved 24 September, son John, other son Bruno, dau. Johane, "to James Disbrowe" (unnamed relation but listed by these authors as a 4th child, for whom a written marginal note by another researcher says also had himself a son also named "James" b/c 1580 who was the one who ma. Elizabeth Marshall! John Disborowe, the younger, of Eltisley, Yeoman, c. 1550-1610, son of John & Alice above, & noted in father's 1574 will, & who also himself had still existing will, dated 27 August 1608, proved 23 June 1610: naming his wife Joan, 2d son Joseph, 3d son "Izhak," 4th son Nathaniel, dau. Sara, cash legacies to Alice "Pomfret" my daughter" [most CURIOUSLY: there is also a Miles POMFRET who m. one Elizabeth Disborowe in Saffron Walden, 12 June 1581, listed by authors as unidentified "Disborowe" in same village of those "other" VERY interesting Disbrowe's: "joyner" Nicholas of Hartford & his parents], to children of Francis Waspe 'my daughter', to children of eldest son James; and the executrix/"residuary legatee": wife Joan. The Disbrow authors also list Mark Noble's book for more children still in this family: 1.William, d. infant, 2.John d. age 20 not marr., 3.James "the father of the two celebrated sons, Maj. Gen. John and Samuel;" 4. Lawrence who died in infancy, 5.Joseph who by Ann his wife had a daughter Dinah; 6.Isaac who by Mary his wife had six sons & three daughters; 7.Sarah Accordingly, for the authors, it was THIS James who married Elizabeth Hatley and also had "my" Thomas Disbrowe, bp 1625 (p. 6) among some 14(!) children total! It is also NOT clear to the authors just where Jeffrey Disborowe fits in,...though the above will abstract for him I have always felt does indeed shed some light on that one, not unlike Mr. Dunn's conclusions. Sorry for any of my gross errors in ANY of this just now (I need to escape from this machine for some sleep!), but the Eltisley are confusing (at least to me!) and certainly DO need further clarification on several points. So, let's discuss for any of you "in the know" (DON'T presume I am some sort of all-knowing expert!)... STSquires