Carl Dunn wrote: " Now there were two James Disbrowe's both with wives Elizabeth in Eltisley who were contemporaneous. The James Disbrowe called Senior was married to Elizabeth Marshall, 1 Aug 1605. The James Disbrowe called Junior was married to Elizabeth Hatley and they were parents of John Disbrowe, the Major General, and Samuel, the one who was in Connecticut and later returned to England." Carl: I for one am missing a "James Disbrowe" in above scenario (and would love to far hear more of how you derive Bruno into the your speculations). WE now have three James and two Juniors: this is since James Disbrowe, called "Senior," was called "elder" according to Eddis Johnson/Harold Disbrowe (1986) for his first son being also "James" (listed as yet another "Jr." to your own who himself so confusingly is also listed on parish registers for Eltisley while not mentioned in my materials from the 1986 authors I keep citing), though I'm NOT yet clear just how often, far back or just where this earlier James Jr. is listed in records before 1606----is he also somewhere on any "births" listing for this earlier generation of him then??). James Senior's own son "James" was born 16 Aug. 1606 per parish records, & my authors, as the clear elder brother to the famous General & Samuel (a LOT of this "confusion" for me is due to the identical names for at least THREE sets of BO! TH fathers & mothers, James/Elizabeth, as per so many these Eltisley records!). That James Jr, as first "son" to James Sr., & also an elder brother to "our" Thomas, bp .1625 (at least according to authors) is presumably NOT as yours referred to as dying 1634 (1 Dec), and who is on the records fathering children along with James Senior from 1609 onwards!! (FUN to go figure all this then, huh!!) It seems at least possible by date, that 1634 could also refer to this later gen. of James Jr, (if not at all probable to me for another reason as below speculated). This is because of that curious happenstance where James Senior made out his will in 1614 and never revised at all by 1638 for any of those presumed subsequent children (recall automatic "primogeniture" made this hardly very necessary!), at least some of whom we must be now able to tie directly to this James Senior (or perhaps NOT?? LET"S EXAMINE THAT POSSIBILITY THEN TOO). So, by 1634 it is at least a possibility! that this younger gen. of James Jr could be in that 1634 grave (per the authors I cite) and not your own presumed elder James "Jr" (who certainly also must have died sometime thereabouts) I'd sure like to know your total reasoning on all this since I don't see all the conclusive evidence there for this most curious, but actually very fascinating scenario. And since it is this later James Jr., elder brother to the General, who is also indicated as died at an "unknown" time by the authors I keep citing (targeting that 1634 date as likely). It does seem that 2nd son General John was the lord of the manor by a yet uncertain date for me. Most confusingly for me also, this James Jr, General's elder brother, is also presumed by authors to have married yet another "Elizabeth" Elizabeth Barron, assumably as his 1st wife..."probably" 30 Nov. 1626,... while also squeezing in a 2nd wife "Anna Proby" by 16 July 1630. THIS James, I don't believe, could likely have been that one listed as buried 17 Oct 1647 at Eltisley (of the five I have seen listed in "Burials at Eltisley" from Mike Sawyer: 1602 to 1703). This is because the dynamic General John was himself seemingly in charge of the Eltisley advowson "during the first six years of [the General's] marriage" in 1636 (per authors and many citations of John's career in military ...Also his elder brother, James Jr., has been speculated as that same James who "died young," according to the other famous brother: "our" own CT's Samuel Disbrowe via 1684 pedigree at London College of Heralds (cited by Waters, ...& meaning only that he died "relatively young in compa! rison to Samuel's age." per Johnson et al),... There does seem to have been some JAMES at Eltisley to confuse all my foregoing!! Then there is this in those "olde notes" handed to me by Village historian Mike Sawyer (and I have seen something similar from other secondary sources): "Henry Denne was Baptist minister of the Parish of Eltisley [Denne is TRULY very interesting, rather "famous" even, in larger history am pursuing too!], residing in Caxton, Cambs. It seems that John Disbrowe, the Lord of the Manor, was favourably disposed towards the Baptists, and became an elder in Denne's congregation at Fenstanton (Hunts'). So puritanical were the services that the Tory writer Noble remarks, 'psalm singing was as heinous a sin at Eltisley as bending the knee to Baal and it was then as much noted for the devout exercises practiced there as any other place in the kingdom.' [as quoted often by many Disbrow researchers]. Henry Denne's understanding of the Quaker position was gained at a meeting between Quaker's and Baptists in May 1659, when Alexander Parker wrote to George Fox [founder of Quakers] tha! t he had been to Eltisley: 'the man's name that did desire the meeting was one Desborough, an ancient professor, he is uncle to Major General Desborough. There a Baptist teacher spoke who is likely to have been Henry Denne or his son.' In 1674-5, John Elger of Papworth [interstingly to me, now called "Papworth EVERARD"!) was fined two steers for going to a meeting at the house of Elias Woodward in Eltisley. The information came from 'James Desborough of Eltisley informer.' " SOOO, then just who is this final James of 1674 at Eltisley (and even more provocatively for me just who is that "professor Desborough," elderly uncle of the General!??), could this James be that later Dr James Disbrowe (Dr. of Physick) who was only son to Samuel of nearby Elsworth, yet he actually seems to have been mostly(?) resident in Stepney, a London suburb??