Was Thomas Disbrow, baptized 1625 the brother of Major General John? I say he was not. The following lengthy discussion contains my reasons. The following is extracted from the archives of this list. This can be found in the archives for 2000, search for hutchkraft and inst " In 1975, the Archivist at Cambridge University, referred me to Margaret Bone, a researcher to abstract all references to the name Disbrow found in the Eltisley Parish records. She had access to the records from1602 through 1653. The Cambridge County Archivist, J. M. Farrar, abstracted the records after 1653" 1605, Aug 1, m. James Disbrow, the elder to Elizabeth Marshall. 1606, Aug 17, Bapt., James, s/o James Disbrow, Jr. & wife Elizabeth. 1608, Apr 10, Bapt. Elizabeth, d/o James Disbrow, Jr. & w/ Elizabeth 1608, Dec 13, Bapt. John, s/o James Disbrow Sr. & w/ Elizabeth 1609, Oct 8, Bapt. John, s/o James Disbrow, Jr. & w/ unnamed. 1611, Mar 2, Bapt. Willliam, s/ James Disbrow, Sr. & w/Elizabeth. 1611, June 22, Bapt. Joseph, s/o James Disbrow, Jr. & w/Elizabeth. 1612, Sep 13, Bapt, Nathaniel, s/ James Disbrow, Jr. & w/Elizabeth. 1613, Aug 18, Bapt. Bruno, s/James Disbrow, Sr. & w/ Elizabeth. 1615, May 9, Bapt. Rebecca, d/o James Disbro, Jr. & w/Elizabeth. 1616, Oct 27, Bapt. Bruno, s/o James Disbrow, Sr. & w/Elizabeth 1617, Aug 1, Bapt. Susanna, d/o James Disbrow, SR & w/Elizabeth 1619, Feb 15, Bapt. Ann, d/o James Disbrow, SR & w/Elizabeth 1619, Nov 30, Bapt. Samuel, s/o James & Elizabeth Disbrow 1622, Aug 20, Bapt. Elizabeth, d/o James Disbrow, Jr. & w/Elizabeth 1623, Feb 23, Bapt Mathew, s/o James Disbrow, SR & w/Elizabeth 1625, Mar 2, Bapt. Isaac s/o James & Elizabeth Disbrow. 1625, Oct 25, Bapt. Thomas, s/o James Disbrow, Sr. & w/Elizabeth 1627, May 1 Bapt. Soiror, d/o James Disbrow, Jr. & w/Elizabeth. 1627, Sep 26, Bapt Elizabeth, d/o James Disbrow, Jr. & w/Elizabeth. 1627, Dec 26, Bapt. Annis, d/o James Disbrow, SR & w/Elizabeth 1629, Jan 7, Bapt. Elizabeth, d/o James Disbrow, Sr. & w/ Elizabeth. We have thus listed Children of James Senior. John 1608, William 1611, Bruno 1613, Bruno 1616, Susanna 1617, Ann 1619, Matthew 1623, Thomas 1625, Annis 1627, and Elizabeth 1629. We have the children of James Junior listed as James 1606, Elizabeth 1608, John 1609, Joseph 1611, Nathaniel 1612, Rebecca 1615, Elizabeth 1622, Soiror 1627, Elizabeth 1627. We have 2 children of James not identified as Sr or Jr Samuel 1619, Isaac 1625. When we see that James Senior has children baptized in 1619 and 1625, and James Junior does not, it would seem logical to place Samuel 1619 and Isaac 1625 as children of James Junior. We do not find a James as son of James Senior, but it is entirely possible he would fit in as born in 1606 (perhaps baptized in another parish ?) Turning to the marriages of the two James and the two Elizabeths, we find that James Senior married Elizabeth Marshall. From the Dictionary of National Biography, the entry for John, the Major General, states his mother was Elizabeth Hatley. It also identifies Samuel as his brother. Note also that sons of Major General John were named Nathaniel and Samuel. Nathaniel appears as son of James Junior. The abstract of the will of James the Elder just posted by Mr. Squires shows that James Senior had a son William but no William is listed for James Junior. While the DNB has Major General John's baptism as 13 Nov 1608, the preponderance of the facts indicate that the Major General and his brother Samuel were sons of the James Junior. Any other James are irrelevant to identifying the father of Maj. Gen. John and Thomas. Conclusion: Major General John and his brother Samuel were children of James (Jr) and Elizabeth Hatley. Thomas was son of James (Sr) and Elizabeth Marshall. I have not seen the material by Noble, Harold Disbrow, or Eddis Johnson. Even if their material disagrees I would be reluctant to change my reconstruction. On another note, as an answer to another of Mr. Squires lengthy messages, if anyone has any criticism of my messages, please direct them to me, or post to the list. Carl Dunn