Dear Ms. Gilbert, I am sure that what you say is true, but that does not in any way support the veracity of Ms. Neyer's request. I do not mean to impugn the honor of Ms. Neyer's intentions. I know nothing of Ms. Neyer. I am just suggesting that, given the questionable nature of so much of what is found on the internet, we Disbros should err on the side of caution when it comes to paying someone we don't know to receive our DNA in the mail. Respectfully, Tom >From: "Susann Gilbert" <susanngilbert@bellsouth.net> >To: DISBROW-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [DISBROW] Y DNA Disbrow study >Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:50:29 -0500 > > >Similar studies tracking lineage certainly have been conducted in the past. >One of the most renowned is the link between President Thomas Jefferson and >his slave, Sally Hemings. The following is from the University of >Virginia, regarding the same: > > An article in the November 5, 1998, edition of Nature provides DNA >evidence that Thomas Jefferson or some other male Jefferson such as >Randolph, the brother of Thomas, could have been the father of one of the >sons of Sally Hemings, who was a slave at Jefferson's Monticello. The >technique relies on the fact that the human Y-chromosome is handed down >directly from father to son and that all paternally related males will have >the same Y-chromosome. Although Thomas Jefferson did not have any sons who >survived to produce children, his father's brother, Field Jefferson, did >have sons and it has been possible to locate 5 descendants of Field >Jefferson who are in a direct male-line of descent. Thus, these individuals >(descendants of Field Jefferson) should have the same Y-chromosome DNA as >the Y-chromosome DNA of Thomas Jefferson and any male-line descendant of >his. >The male-line descendants of two of Sally Hemmings sons were located and >their Y-chromosome DNA was examined for comparison to the Y-chromosome DNA >of Field Jefferson's descendants. The DNA from the five male-line >descendants of Thomas Woodson, oldest son of Sally Hemings, did not match >the Jefferson DNA. In fact, one of Woodson's descendants did not match well >with the other four. However, the DNA from the one descendant of Eston >Hemings, youngest son of Sally Hemings, did match the Jefferson DNA. >This lends credence to the supposition that Thomas Jefferson may have been >the father of Eston Hemings. However, historian Williard S. Randall, notes, >"There were 25 men within 20 miles of Monticello who were all Jeffersons >and had the same Y chromosome. And 23 of them were younger than Jefferson, >who was 65 years old when Eston was conceived." Randall, wrote a 1993 >biography of Jefferson, titled, Thomas Jefferson: A Life. More detailed >information is available. Three different authors provide some perspective >on Jefferson and Hemings in The Nation. Finally, the The Jefferson-Hemings >Scholars Commission concluded that Randolph Jefferson, Thomas' brother, was >more likely to have fathered Eston Hemings. > >Just FYI with best regards to all, > >Susann Disbro Gilbert >1482 Barbara St. >Mt. Pleasant, SC 29464 >Phone/Fax: 843.856.5072 >Read my latest article: >http://www.pictureshowman.com/articles_personalities_calhoun.cfm >Visit my web site: >http://www.alicecalhoun.net > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Jo Neyer" ><maryjo@neyersoftware.com> >To: <DISBROW-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 10:13 PM >Subject: [DISBROW] Y DNA Disbrow study > > >>I would like to explain that the Y chromosome is carried only by men. >>Women carry the XX, men carry YX. Therefore women who are descended >>from Disbrows can help recruit male Disbrow participants and help share >>the fees of testing, but only men can actually take this test analysis. >>Thanks, Mary Jo > > > >==== DISBROW Mailing List ==== >The Disbrow Family Web Site: >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/5853 > > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Similar studies tracking lineage certainly have been conducted in the past. One of the most renowned is the link between President Thomas Jefferson and his slave, Sally Hemings. The following is from the University of Virginia, regarding the same: An article in the November 5, 1998, edition of Nature provides DNA evidence that Thomas Jefferson or some other male Jefferson such as Randolph, the brother of Thomas, could have been the father of one of the sons of Sally Hemings, who was a slave at Jefferson's Monticello. The technique relies on the fact that the human Y-chromosome is handed down directly from father to son and that all paternally related males will have the same Y-chromosome. Although Thomas Jefferson did not have any sons who survived to produce children, his father's brother, Field Jefferson, did have sons and it has been possible to locate 5 descendants of Field Jefferson who are in a direct male-line of descent. Thus, these individuals (descendants of Field Jefferson) should have the same Y-chromosome DNA as the Y-chromosome DNA of Thomas Jefferson and any male-line descendant of his. The male-line descendants of two of Sally Hemmings sons were located and their Y-chromosome DNA was examined for comparison to the Y-chromosome DNA of Field Jefferson's descendants. The DNA from the five male-line descendants of Thomas Woodson, oldest son of Sally Hemings, did not match the Jefferson DNA. In fact, one of Woodson's descendants did not match well with the other four. However, the DNA from the one descendant of Eston Hemings, youngest son of Sally Hemings, did match the Jefferson DNA. This lends credence to the supposition that Thomas Jefferson may have been the father of Eston Hemings. However, historian Williard S. Randall, notes, "There were 25 men within 20 miles of Monticello who were all Jeffersons and had the same Y chromosome. And 23 of them were younger than Jefferson, who was 65 years old when Eston was conceived." Randall, wrote a 1993 biography of Jefferson, titled, Thomas Jefferson: A Life. More detailed information is available. Three different authors provide some perspective on Jefferson and Hemings in The Nation. Finally, the The Jefferson-Hemings Scholars Commission concluded that Randolph Jefferson, Thomas' brother, was more likely to have fathered Eston Hemings. Just FYI with best regards to all, Susann Disbro Gilbert 1482 Barbara St. Mt. Pleasant, SC 29464 Phone/Fax: 843.856.5072 Read my latest article: http://www.pictureshowman.com/articles_personalities_calhoun.cfm Visit my web site: http://www.alicecalhoun.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Jo Neyer" <maryjo@neyersoftware.com> To: <DISBROW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 10:13 PM Subject: [DISBROW] Y DNA Disbrow study >I would like to explain that the Y chromosome is carried only by men. > Women carry the XX, men carry YX. Therefore women who are descended > from Disbrows can help recruit male Disbrow participants and help share > the fees of testing, but only men can actually take this test analysis. > Thanks, Mary Jo

I am glad that you raised the issue of security. First of all, you have every opportunity to remain anonymous from all but me, the coordinator. I am a homemaker, mother of 9 children whose hobby is genealogy. My reason for undertaking this study is that I have already worked with two other family surname projects: Bricker and Cullison, who have found that DNA solved mysteries in family history which for those of us interested in history was very satisfying. I am sure you can do enough searching with the web to determine that what I am writing about myself is true. If you wish to have your DNA processed anonymously, I would purchase the kit myself from FamilyTreeDNA and have it addressed to myself. I would then mail it to you. You would return it to me and I would send it in the mail to familyTreeDNA. Their lab is the University of Arizona under the direction of Dr. Michael Hammer, a world renowned geneticist. The kits are coded by number, and only I would have reference to the number. FamilyTreeDNA, because of its excellent scientific credentials, is the lab and company handling the National Geographic Genome Project - they have a very interesting web site where you can read lots of information about genealogical DNA. JUNK DNA is what is used for Y DNA projects. It does not involve blood, but rather the swab of one's inner cheeks. Junk DNA, since it consists of only a few skin cells, cannot be used for cloning or for medicl purposes ,which is why scientists call it JUNK DNA. If medical insurance wants to learn something about you for their own purposes, they could easily do that through your regular medical checkups, where blood is taken and put in test tubes labelled with your name. As for whether or not our ancestors were noble, middle class or poor - I am sure we all have ancestors from all three groups. But my training is as a historian, and when I find a good research tool that answers historical questions- I am all for using it .Thanks for asking questions which I am sure many people have, and I would be glad to answer more. Sincerely, Mary Jo

Folks, It doesn't matter. For those originating from the early colonists, we know that most were "escaping" European classes, oppressed, etc. In many cases, colonists had nothing to loose coming to the colonies because they had lost or had nothing. Many were criminals, banished from their lands of origin, escaping capture or ex-cons. Who we are today, has nothing to do with who provided the DNA... The people from Australia have the some issues, populated with many criminals from the "mother-land." While it is very interesting to track lineage, it should never take precedent over who you are, or who you are trying to become. Jim Rohn once said: "You must take personal responsibility. You cannot change the circumstances, the seasons, or the wind, but you can change yourself." In fact, it pleasures me to know we may all come from very humble roots. So much more the sweetness of success! I'm still working on it! Best regards to all of my "Disbrow" family! :-) Steven John Disbrow (Born outside Boston Mass and now making my life in Florida). -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Disbro [mailto:thomaspauldisbro@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 1:11 PM To: DISBROW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [DISBROW] Y DNA Disbrow participant Please forgive my skepticism, but how can we achieve some level of assurance that any dna material that we furnish to you would be used for, and only for, your stated purpose? How can we be sure that we would not unwittingly be participating in some sort of health insurance company's attempt to compile a database of people's genetic deficiencies for the purpose of exclusion of insurance coverage? Or that our dna material would not be spread about any crime scenes? Or that your request is not some internet scam to extract money from willing dupes? Thank you for your time. >From: Mary Jo Neyer <maryjo@neyersoftware.com> >To: DISBROW-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [DISBROW] Y DNA Disbrow participant >Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:47:27 -0500 > >Yes, to be a member of the study one needs to be male, have the surname >Disbrow, and have a paper trail of his ancestors. >Mary Jo > > >==== DISBROW Mailing List ==== >The Disbrow Family Web Site: >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/5853 > > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > ==== DISBROW Mailing List ==== The Disbrow Family Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/5853 ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

I think that I will respectfully "pass" as well. Craig Disbrow, MBA, JD. Disbrow Consulting 603 523 4259 (Voice) 603 523 4574 (Facsimile) http://www.disbrowconsulting.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Disbro" <thomaspauldisbro@hotmail.com> To: <DISBROW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 1:10 PM Subject: RE: [DISBROW] Y DNA Disbrow participant > > > Please forgive my skepticism, but how can we achieve some level of > assurance that any dna material that we furnish to you would be used for, > and only for, your stated purpose? How can we be sure that we would not > unwittingly be participating in some sort of health insurance company's > attempt to compile a database of people's genetic deficiencies for the > purpose of exclusion of insurance coverage? Or that our dna material > would not be spread about any crime scenes? Or that your request is not > some internet scam to extract money from willing dupes? > > Thank you for your time. > >>From: Mary Jo Neyer <maryjo@neyersoftware.com> >>To: DISBROW-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [DISBROW] Y DNA Disbrow participant >>Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:47:27 -0500 >> >>Yes, to be a member of the study one needs to be male, have the surname >>Disbrow, and have a paper trail of his ancestors. >>Mary Jo >> >> >>==== DISBROW Mailing List ==== >>The Disbrow Family Web Site: >>http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/5853 >> >> >>============================== >>Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >>Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> > > > > ==== DISBROW Mailing List ==== > The Disbrow Family Web Site: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/5853 > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Please forgive my skepticism, but how can we achieve some level of assurance that any dna material that we furnish to you would be used for, and only for, your stated purpose? How can we be sure that we would not unwittingly be participating in some sort of health insurance company's attempt to compile a database of people's genetic deficiencies for the purpose of exclusion of insurance coverage? Or that our dna material would not be spread about any crime scenes? Or that your request is not some internet scam to extract money from willing dupes? Thank you for your time. >From: Mary Jo Neyer <maryjo@neyersoftware.com> >To: DISBROW-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [DISBROW] Y DNA Disbrow participant >Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:47:27 -0500 > >Yes, to be a member of the study one needs to be male, have the surname >Disbrow, and have a paper trail of his ancestors. >Mary Jo > > >==== DISBROW Mailing List ==== >The Disbrow Family Web Site: >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/5853 > > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Yes, to be a member of the study one needs to be male, have the surname Disbrow, and have a paper trail of his ancestors. Mary Jo

DISBROW-L@rootsweb.com writes: >I would like to explain that the Y chromosome is carried only by men. >Women carry the XX, men carry YX. Therefore women who are descended >from Disbrows can help recruit male Disbrow participants and help share >the fees of testing, but only men can actually take this test analysis. >Thanks, Mary Jo > > >==== DISBROW Mailing List ==== >The Disbrow Family Web Site: >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/5853 > > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > I am assuming that, in order to be a male participant, you would need to have the last name of Disbrow? Our great-great grandmother was a Disbrow, who married a Robinson, and so on and so forth... Thanks, Sandy Schoonmaker Picchi

I would like to explain that the Y chromosome is carried only by men. Women carry the XX, men carry YX. Therefore women who are descended from Disbrows can help recruit male Disbrow participants and help share the fees of testing, but only men can actually take this test analysis. Thanks, Mary Jo

Hello. I am a descendant of Esther Disbrow, daughter of Sidney Disbrow of Alden Illinois. I have started a Disbrow(Disbro) Y DNA study at FamilyTreeDNA. We finally have the technology to find out if all the various Disbrows have a common ancestor, if we have Viking ancestry and if we are related to Oliver Cromwell's general John Desborough. In order to accomplish this, we need Disbrow men to have their Y DNA tested for 25 or 37 markers by companies like FamilyTreeDNA and Relative Genetics. I will coordinate the results. If you wish to remain anonymous and still participate in the study , please contact me, Mary Jo Neyer. We can make some major breakthroughs in our family studies if everyone will help. Thanks for your time and consideration. Mary Jo Neyer

I'm not related to nor researching the Disbrows. Just thought this item might be helpful to someone. The Windham Journal, weekly newspaper published at Windham, Greene County, New York, issue of Thursday, May 11, 1882, Born: DISBROW - At Brooklyn, April 10, to Mr. and Mrs. Hamilton Disbrow, a daughter. Patricia Morrow, Windham Town Historian (Greene County, NY)

Thanks Michael for the info on Captain Disbrow! The stories behind the ancestors are always better than just the vital statistics! Carol 8th gr from thomas & mercy

From - Mike Disbrow, listowner Subject - Capt. Disbrow of the 'Volunteer' Subscriber Carol Vaughan asks whether anyone knows the identity of the Captain Disbrow who went down with his ship, the 'Volunteer' on Lake Ontario in Nov. 1869 as per the item recently shared with us by Linda Talbott, from the book "Great Lakes Shipwrecks and Survivals" by William Rattigan. He was Russell Disbrow of Ogdensburg, St. Lawrence Co., New York. Here I will quote the information from my book, "Descendants of Thomas & Mercy (Holbridge) Disbrow, Part One", p. 314 (in the "Unplaced Disbrows" section of the book): ____________________________________________________________________________________________ (U10-2) RUSSELL DISBROW, son of Joseph & Clarissa (Plumb) b. c1818 St. Lawrence Co., NY d. Nov. 1869, drowned in Lake Ontario m. MARIA __________, b. c1818 VT; d. 17 May 1880, bur. Ogdensburg cem., St. Lawrence Co., NY He was a sailor on the Great Lakes, co-owner of a schooner called the "Northerner" in 1861. Captain Disbrow was in command of the schooner "Volunteer" on Lake Ontario in Nov. 1869 carrying a load of apples, when the vessel was struck by a violent storm. Apparently all on board, including Disbrow and a five-man crew, were lost. The ship washed ashore at Port Ontario, NY, on the night of 18 Nov., with no one on board. [per articles in "The Daily Journal" of Ogdensburg, NY, 23 Nov., 25 Nov., 29 Nov. and 1 Dec. 1869 - Michael J. Helbig] Maria Disbrow was listed in the 1870 census of Ogdensburg with Clarissa Disbrow, her mother-in-law. Children: (U10-2-1) Mary b. c1840 NY; bur. Ogdensburg cem.; m. Henry C. Hunt (U10-2-2) Caroline b. c1842 NY +(U10-2-3) George b. c1844 NY [d. 1899 Toledo, OH; George Disbrow was also a sailing captain on the Great Lakes.] (U10-2-4) Emma F./Fanny b. c1850 NY; bur. Ogdensburg cem. References: fam. data & research notes of Michael J. Helbig, 1987-8, including newspaper items and census data; census - 1840, '50, '65, '70 Ogdensburg, St. Lawrence Co., NY ____________________________________________________________________________________________ I have never been able to ascertain the placement of this family of Disbrows, but feel there is a likely possibility they do connect up with Thomas Disbrow of Fairfield. Many thanks to Linda for sharing the item with us, and to Carol for the follow up question. I hope the above information is helpful. Mike

Does anyone know who Captain Disbrow was? What's his lineage? Thanks for a great story! Carol

The list has been quiet for so long that I thought I'd post this piece that I found in "Great Lakes Shipwrecks and Survivals" by William Rattigan. It is found on pg's 98-99 of the book. VISION OF GRANDFATHER CAPTAIN A curious instance of psychic phenomena was reported to an Ontario newspaper in 1869, the memorable year in which the schooner Persia went down with all hands, a tragedy that inspired the ballad dedicated to Lake Huron and a long-time favorite sailor song. During the same November storm that swallowed the Persia, the little granddaughter of Captain Disbrow, sailing master of the schooner Volunteer, awoke her mother about midnight and asked to have a lamp lighted, because she had seen "grandfather captain" standing by her bedside. The grownups tried to dismiss the youngster's vision as no more than a nightmare, but they themselves were seized with uneasy foreboding because it was the ominous night before Thanksgiving and one of the worst November storms on record was raging across the Lakes. Several days later their secret fears, and the child's dream, became realized when news arrived that the schooner Volunteer had been wrecked by the storm and that Captain Disbrow had gone down with his ship. Linda Talbott pandora1790@ncats.net The USGenWeb Census Project ® http://www.us-census.org/ State Assignment Coordinator for: Indiana Massachusetts Michigan New York Ohio Vermont U.S. Military and Naval Forces

----- Original Message ----- From: ElizHDobies@aol.com To: dizzy@michweb.net Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 3:02 PM Subject: Disbro in Cleveland Area I don't know if you would want a bunch of Obits for various descendts of Dr Ira Disbro. I am not connected except his son married an Ancestral cousin of mine <G> so I went hunting <G> and found a great deal thanks to the wonderful online resources in Cuyahoga co. Eliz Hanebury

Dear Marilyn: Of course it's relevant! For thousands of years, the Jews have tracked their heritage from their maternal line. I had a friend from Romania; he explained to me that the first child receives the mother's maiden name and the second child, the father's. (or vice versa). This is common in many European countries. I don't know about Asian or African, but I believe that lineage is lineage is lineage. I was the last "Disbro" in my family's line, since I have no brothers. So I simply use my maiden name as my middle name now. I'm a writer, so I use that professionally. It keeps the name alive. Don't be sucked in by DWEM (Dead White European Male) rules. Family is family, a name is as good as its' descendants, and re. the DNA, if your kidney matched the one your cousin/brother/aunt/nephew needed; darn right you're family! Great point! - Susann Disbro Gilbert MFritzJohn@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 1/27/05 3:10:12 PM, dizzy@michweb.net writes: > ><< the birth name of Disbrowe or Disbrow, or its > > > >>variants. >> >> >> > >Is their DNA different from the DNA of those in the lines that "daughtered >out?" I think not. I am a descendant of Nancy Disbrow. I have her DNA. >Everything relevant to a male in the Disbrow line is also relevant for a female. >Just thought I would mention this obvious fact. Marilyn Johnson > > >==== DISBROW Mailing List ==== >The Disbrow Family Web Site: >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/5853 > > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > >

In a message dated 1/27/05 3:10:12 PM, dizzy@michweb.net writes: << the birth name of Disbrowe or Disbrow, or its > variants. >> Is their DNA different from the DNA of those in the lines that "daughtered out?" I think not. I am a descendant of Nancy Disbrow. I have her DNA. Everything relevant to a male in the Disbrow line is also relevant for a female. Just thought I would mention this obvious fact. Marilyn Johnson

> Hello Again, > Sorry to upset anyone. The only reason I limited my > question those Female or Male with the > Disbrowe/Disbrow birth name was to limit responses. > That hasn't been a problem to this point. > Let me restate, that this was just a casual > interest > question. Also the list-owner had nothing to do with > the question I just used his forum. > On the question of Maternal Linage. I wish > historically both lineages had been trace,as it is > obvious it takes to sets of genes to produce a > branch > of a Family Tree. > We have many interesting and dynamic women who can > claim Disbrowe/Disbrow linage. Their stories should > told and preserved. > Genealogy was invented in a different time than we > live in, and maybe it time it was reinvented. > I will leave this question and problem to others to > solve. > I was simply curious as to who the oldest living > and > past PERSON bearing the Family name was. > I did intend to start a debate on the ethics of > genealogy. > Sorry, to anyone who took issue with the question. > Please consider the question closed and withdrawn. > > Guy Disbrowe > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com

Michael, I would be very interested in the Nutmeggers. Since we both live in Michigan and within a couple of hours of each other we wouldn't have to worry about shipping if I picked them up! Carol _cevaughan412@aol.com_ (mailto:cevaughan412@aol.com)