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FamilyTreeDNA has distributed two coupons, each for $30 off, for Y DNA testing to each Surname Project manager. Normally it costs $169 when one signs up for the 25 marker through the Disbrow surname project, but with the discount it costs $139. These coupons are good until Dec. 31st. If a male Disbrow wants to take advantage of this offer from FamilyTreeDNA, please contact me. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and Happy Hanukkah to everyone on the list. Mary Jo Neyer

Very nice. Thank you. Mary Jo Neyer <maryjo@neyersoftware.com> wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000609080707090505010202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a very nice genealogist's poem. Mary Jo --------------000609080707090505010202 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="[DNA] Genealogist's Poem - in lieu of list traffic..." Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="[DNA] Genealogist's Poem - in lieu of list traffic..." X-Account-Key: account2 Return-Path: Delivered-To: maryjo@neyersof.user Received: (qmail 26374 invoked by uid 503); 5 Dec 2005 03:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists5.rootsweb.com) (66.43.18.41) by server273.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2005 03:41:06 -0000 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id jB53WMJ6025414; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:32:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:32:22 -0700 X-Original-Sender: ericbear01@earthlink.net Sun Dec 4 20:32:21 2005 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=FWZ0O0NhvlcQrU9rekKd5YasKgvhCGqYo7coZ951G/Dk7+EkM/c9PjYbTYf9byAJ; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <004a01c5f94c$8080e9d0$792af204@mycomputer> From: "Eric Olson" Old-To: Old-Cc: Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:32:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: e44c7f034458b7721520b18a6b7f82c0239a348a220c2609bdc788bc13e18f97ea1fe14528feaed7667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.242.42.121 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.16.34 Resent-Message-ID: To: GENEALOGY-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: GENEALOGY-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: GENEALOGY-DNA-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59388 X-Loop: GENEALOGY-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: GENEALOGY-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Genealogist's Poem - in lieu of list traffic... Voices In My Heart It was the first day of census and all through the land each pollster was ready...a black book in hand. He mounted his horse for a long dusty ride, his books and his quills were tucked close by his side. A long dusty ride down a road barely there, toward the smell of fresh bread wafting up through the air. The woman was tired, with lines on her face and wisps of brown hair she tucked back into place. She gave him some water as they sat at the table, and she answered his questions the best she was able. He asked her of children. Yes, she had quite a few. The oldest was twenty, the youngest not two. She held up a toddler with cheeks round and red. His sister, she whispered, was napping in bed. She noted each person who lived there with pride, and she felt the faint stirrings of the wee one inside. He noted the sex, the color, the age, the marks from the quill soon filled up the page. At the number of children, she nodded her head, and he saw her lips quiver for the ones that were dead. The places of birth she "never forgot"... Was it Carolina, or Tennessee, or Georgia or not? They came from Scotland, on that she was clear, But she wasn't quite sure just how long they'd been here. They spoke of employment, of schooling and such. They could read some and write some...though really not much. When the questions were answered, his job there was done, so he mounted his horse and he rode toward the sun . We can almost imagine his voice loud and clear, "May God bless you all for another ten years." Now picture a time warp...its now you and me as we search for the people on our family tree. We squint at the census, and scroll down so slow, as we search for that entry from long, long ago. Could they only imagine on that long ago day that the entries they made would affect us this way. . If they knew, would they wonder at the yearning we feel and the searching that makes them so increasingly real? We can hear if we listen, the words they impart Through their blood in our veins and their voice in our heart. Courtesy of the author Darlene Stevens ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx --------------000609080707090505010202-- ==== DISBROW Mailing List ==== The Disbrow Family Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/5853 ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000609080707090505010202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a very nice genealogist's poem. Mary Jo --------------000609080707090505010202 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="[DNA] Genealogist's Poem - in lieu of list traffic..." Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="[DNA] Genealogist's Poem - in lieu of list traffic..." X-Account-Key: account2 Return-Path: <GENEALOGY-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com> Delivered-To: maryjo@neyersof.user Received: (qmail 26374 invoked by uid 503); 5 Dec 2005 03:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists5.rootsweb.com) (66.43.18.41) by server273.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2005 03:41:06 -0000 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id jB53WMJ6025414; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:32:22 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:32:22 -0700 X-Original-Sender: ericbear01@earthlink.net Sun Dec 4 20:32:21 2005 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=FWZ0O0NhvlcQrU9rekKd5YasKgvhCGqYo7coZ951G/Dk7+EkM/c9PjYbTYf9byAJ; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <004a01c5f94c$8080e9d0$792af204@mycomputer> From: "Eric Olson" <ericbear01@earthlink.net> Old-To: <GENEALOGY-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Old-Cc: <CARROLL-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:32:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: e44c7f034458b7721520b18a6b7f82c0239a348a220c2609bdc788bc13e18f97ea1fe14528feaed7667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.242.42.121 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.16.34 Resent-Message-ID: <s41WC.A.lMG.GT7kDB@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: GENEALOGY-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: GENEALOGY-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: GENEALOGY-DNA-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <GENEALOGY-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/59388 X-Loop: GENEALOGY-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: GENEALOGY-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Genealogist's Poem - in lieu of list traffic... Voices In My Heart It was the first day of census and all through the land each pollster was ready...a black book in hand. He mounted his horse for a long dusty ride, his books and his quills were tucked close by his side. A long dusty ride down a road barely there, toward the smell of fresh bread wafting up through the air. The woman was tired, with lines on her face and wisps of brown hair she tucked back into place. She gave him some water as they sat at the table, and she answered his questions the best she was able. He asked her of children. Yes, she had quite a few. The oldest was twenty, the youngest not two. She held up a toddler with cheeks round and red. His sister, she whispered, was napping in bed. She noted each person who lived there with pride, and she felt the faint stirrings of the wee one inside. He noted the sex, the color, the age, the marks from the quill soon filled up the page. At the number of children, she nodded her head, and he saw her lips quiver for the ones that were dead. The places of birth she "never forgot"... Was it Carolina, or Tennessee, or Georgia or not? They came from Scotland, on that she was clear, But she wasn't quite sure just how long they'd been here. They spoke of employment, of schooling and such. They could read some and write some...though really not much. When the questions were answered, his job there was done, so he mounted his horse and he rode toward the sun . We can almost imagine his voice loud and clear, "May God bless you all for another ten years." Now picture a time warp...its now you and me as we search for the people on our family tree. We squint at the census, and scroll down so slow, as we search for that entry from long, long ago. Could they only imagine on that long ago day that the entries they made would affect us this way. . If they knew, would they wonder at the yearning we feel and the searching that makes them so increasingly real? We can hear if we listen, the words they impart Through their blood in our veins and their voice in our heart. Courtesy of the author Darlene Stevens ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx --------------000609080707090505010202--

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I tried to reply to your off-list e-mail but it was rejected. Here is a copy/paste of what I sent. Hi Alan, I've never done any research regarding the NJ area Disbrows as I descend = from Thomas and Mercy. I did take a peek at the 1830 Census of NJ and found your John Manley. = I also found a John Debow and a James Desborough, both in North = Brunswick with John Manley. Sadly, the enumerator chose to enter the = names in alphabetical order instead of by geographic location. Sorry I couldn't have been of more help :^( Linda Talbott pandora1790@ncats.net The USGenWeb Census Project ® http://www.us-census.org/ State Assignment Coordinator for: Indiana Massachusetts Michigan New York Ohio Vermont U.S. Military and Naval Forces

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030102050809020409050107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an interesting article on the National Geographic Society's genome project. Mary Jo --------------030102050809020409050107 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="[DNA] Video clip of Today segment on Genographic Project" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="[DNA] Video clip of Today segment on Genographic Project" X-Account-Key: account2 Return-Path: <GENEALOGY-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com> Delivered-To: maryjo@neyersof.user Received: (qmail 5072 invoked by uid 503); 18 Nov 2005 23:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists5.rootsweb.com) (66.43.18.41) by server273.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2005 23:03:44 -0000 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id jAIMuVHL011978; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:56:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:56:31 -0700 X-Original-Sender: DNACousins@aol.com Fri Nov 18 15:56:31 2005 From: DNACousins@aol.com Message-ID: <245.1a0386b.30afb613@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:56:19 EST Old-To: GENEALOGY-DNA-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6034 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.16.34 Resent-Message-ID: <TcTwRD.A.V6C.fwlfDB@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: GENEALOGY-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: GENEALOGY-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: GENEALOGY-DNA-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <GENEALOGY-DNA-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/58172 X-Loop: GENEALOGY-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: GENEALOGY-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com Subject: [DNA] Video clip of Today segment on Genographic Project It can be viewed at the MSNBC site (no closed captions, though!) http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10095659/ Does anyone know if clips like these remain available on the website indefinitely? Ann ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx --------------030102050809020409050107--

Hello list, In an effort to help our researchers I'm sending an index of the Mortality Census for the various years available. The Mortality Census is often overlooked and may contain much needed information. The information contained is: Name, Place of Death, Census Year, Est. birth year, place of birth, gender and age. Disbrow, David; Burns-Shiawassee-Mich, 1860, b. abt. 1823 in NY, age 37 Disbrow, Debley; District 162-Williams, OH, 1850, b. about 1849 in OH, age 1 Disbrow, Ebenezer; Clinton-Douglas-Kansas, 1880, b. abt. 1828 in CT, age 52 Disbrow, Elinezer; Clinton-Douglas-Kansas, 1880, b. abt. 1828 in CT, age 52 Disbrow, Grace; Hoboken Ward 2-Hudson-NJ, 1870, b. abt. 1869 in NJ, age 1 Disbrow, Hannah; Union-Adams & Chester-Clinton-OH, 1860, b. abt 1784 in CT, age 76 Disbrow, Isaac H; Alaiedon-Ingham-MI, 1850, b. abt. 1845 in OH, age 5 Disbrow, Joseph; Ocean-Monmouth-NJ, 1850, b. abt 1795, age 55 Disbrow, Luman; Berlin-Ionia-MI, 1860, b. abt. 1828 in NY, age 32 Disbrow, Maria; Chicago-Cook-ILL, 1880, b. abt. 1818 in NJ, age 62 Disbrow, Richard; Cranbury-Middlesex-NJ, 1880, b. abt 1811 in NJ, age 69 Disbrow, Richd S.; Not Stated-Middlesex-NJ, 1880, b. abt 1811 in US, age 69 Disbrow, Taylor; Sayerville-Middlesex-NJ, 1880, b. abt 1848 in NJ, age 32 Disbrow, Willie; Hoboken Ward 2-Hudson-NJ, 1870, b. abt 1868 in NJ, age 2 Linda Talbott pandora1790@ncats.net The USGenWeb Census Project ® http://www.us-census.org/ State Assignment Coordinator for: Indiana Massachusetts Michigan New York Ohio Vermont U.S. Military and Naval Forces

Mary Jo, I read The Seven Daughters of Eve some time ago, which deals with mitochondrial DNA. It is an excellent, fascinating source of information. Thank you for a reference to the other book, which I have not read yet. As you state, DNA testing does not take the place of research (which I also enjoy!), or let us know lineages, but can let us know about common ancestors we may share. Perhaps reading these books would clear up concerns for some. Good luck in your endeavor. Sandy Picchi

Due to the hostility which I have met concerning the proposed Disbrow DNA testing, and my concern for the privacy of my testees, I have decided that the results of the tests will not be posted publicly, especially on this line. Those male Disbrows who choose to participate will receive an analysis of their DNA submitted from me to them. I will publish neither their lineage nor their DNA. Mary Jo

As before, I highly recommend such books as THE SEVEN DAUGHTERS OF EVE by Spencer Wells, and TRACE YOUR ROOTS WITH DNA.by Megan Smolenyak and Ann Turner. Actually, as one who loves historical research, DNA CANNOT REPLACE HISTORICAL RESEARCH. What it can do is answer certain questions such as, do two Disbrows share a common ancestor. And , how closely are 2 Disbrows related? For example, all Europeans share a common ancestor. Our relationships are based on when that common ancestor lived. For our purposes, we are trying to determine when that common ancestor specific to Disbrows lived. DNA cannot prove that Asahel Disbrow of Connecticut is descended from John Desborough. It can prove that they do or do not share a common ancestor, and approximately when that common ancestor existed, based on the mutations of a genetic haplotype. All men with what we call "Celt" background share a certain haplogroup; all men sharing a "Viking" haplotype share a different haplogroup. What this testing enables us to do is understand some of the earlier history of our people in ways that we can determinescientifically. The National geographic Society highly recommends FamilyTreeDNA; but there are other reputable companies out there, such as Relative Genetics. Results from those companies, with documented family histories are welcome. Sincerely, Mary JO

Dear Disbrows: I guess I must respond to this latest inevitable gambit of the armchair historians & genealogists among you at this gen web circle...There can be NO instantaneous route to understanding HISTORY, let alone our own layered and complex family history! Though given my own disappointing past experience with some at this web circle (I have no intention of debating the following technical points personally, hopefully some of you would want to waste the time however), I can say I have felt all too many of you are simply hanging out here just biding time waiting for exactly such questionable get-"gen"-rich-quick shortcuts, instead of doing some hard work and difficult research called for. Seems to be an occupational hazard of most genny websters generally: looking for quick-fix short-cuts via the web! I wish some of you were, instead, FAR more interested in doing the hard work of some very detailed historical research, perhaps especially in England 'across the pond,' just as I have been attempting myself after two such overseas trips, totalling 8 weeks, with some truly very startling success (including many very new and richly detailed discoveries yet to be disclosed to this or any website). And then conducting some continued, EXTENDED family genealogy as well, in order to ferret out the whole truth of not just some family history, and/or not just for one or two prominent family connections either. This work, "in the long run," being for all its very rich payoffs and rewards from the always very fascinating details of history, otherwise overlooked perhaps now because of a far too easy and very questionable gambit. So now, just call me an olde PURITAN! As you know, I have spent MANY years studying a possible connection to General Disbrowe, among much else, of my own direct CT ancestors, Thomas and Mercy Disbrow. Though hardly just that, and perhaps even more interestingly for our extended family descendants, considering some HISTORICAL connections especially to Nicholas, Peter and Henry Disbrowe of early CT Colony which my work has led to. The historical speculations themselves have been FASCINATING, as well as following the many hisorical trails which themselves amplify factual history! To short-circuit this process of historical research would be to cheat ourselves of some very rich historical knowledge, trust me... This research, of course, has not been simply in order to "crow" about a "high-born" connection or two, as anyone who knows me might realize;...such gen "gold-mining," not inappropriately, seems very discreditable among the 'pseudo-professionalized' gen hobbyist of nowadays. It is, rather, about discovering a much better understanding of my own Mercy Disbrow's very curious CT colonial history, & some extended family mysteries in ye olde CT Colony, each of which holds real interest value generally to my own state history in fact. This 'interest value' includes reasons why some colonial historians have occasional and very provocatively always seemed to dismiss Mercy's extensive trial record as not just difficult to study for its relational complexities, but also understandable only for its being full of some entangling high-level connections. The historical context of Mercy's trial, and a likely related network of impressive familial connections in early CT history, otherwise long overlooked for some now very obvious reasons to me, is exactly what I have been so very painstakingly researching for many years now. I cannot see how DNA testing, superficially intriguing as it undoubtedly would be, will ever be much of a helpful 'short-cut' for me in the end, or my own work on these yet very intriguing historical Disbrow subjects. Yet that same DNA testing, if cheaply, sloppily and unaccountably handled could set us back in some ways you may not realize, but I certainly do realize for my having stuied these same questions most closely and in detail for some many years (though I'm not yet sure I would care very much one way or the other about the outcome of this test, in fact...). My work is all but complete for one lifetime anyway, and so far it has uncovered to my satisfaction an immense and fascinatingly layered story of some real and very general broad interest value! So, I certainly do resent the psudo-professional presumption that now faddish genealogical DNA testing, with its yet here still unresolved validity questions, might actually settle some fascinating issues,...but only then sacrificing the very process of historical research itself. In other words what will we lose for never further uncovering much amplifying historical detail through that short-circuited research (the truth, or the 'devil,' is in the "details!"). Considering that some very justifiable reservations about the process have yet to be raised, let alone resolved,...CAN this DNA shortcut ever be any sort of substitute for the very arduous (but always ultimately productive) work of on-the-scene historical research, uncovering the warp and weft of actual history, its entangling & connecting set of facts? Think of all the details of history that may never yet be uncovered by some of you for presuming some 'final word' has been registered here "scientifically" (I prefer to believe "psuedo-scientifically," in fact!). My concern, then, is over a test outcome which is ultimately based on faulty or even very "cheap" science, perhaps very second rate, ..for how so can we ultimately assure ourselve better about it given what I have so far read, despite seemingly "impressive" references. And, how can we guard against or have any accontability about some test subjects who may or may not be who they may wish to claim that they are? How can those whose anonymity must also be protected (who, afterall, does NOT wish for some effecting anonymity in this vicious age of identity theft) assure the rest of us of some accountability for the integrity and real verifiability in this complex process?? It does not seem nearly so simple a process to me as it may to the many short-cut 'artists' out there, too many of whom habitually rely on internet short-cuts for genealogical "truths." Not only would much be missed of breadth, interest value, & historical detail for never bothering to research further those questions supposedly resolved, but I certainly feel it would short-circuit most ambition for doing further detailed research by too many among you who think some matters may be settled (you see I fear too many who regularly 'hang-out' at such web circles as this one have become hopeless compromised in their ambition to do very serious research anyway). There simply are NO "short cuts," even via the current "fad" of DNA, ....or at any rate there SHOULD not be any such if you wish for a far more complete understanding of some VERY complex family & detailed regional history,...now otherwise possibly to be overlooked (you can have NO idea just HOW "complex" until you've seen the evidence or done the research in the trenches yourself). Look, even the law gets it wrong with this DNA science these days. Perhaps you read recently of a Texas(?) legal forensics professional (was it?) who short-cut her lab work by routinely cutting out a step in replicating the DNA, which "shortcut" has now thrown into chaotic question dozens of criminal trial convictions. There is also, most recently, the case just reported in the news of a "rapist" who was freed on DNA evidence after serving a decade or more in jail , only now to have been caught "red-handed" in an even worse crime (the murder of yet another vulnerable woman, so wasn't it?)...You will get the picture if you realize that I do not appreciate all of my own hard work and very detailed research tossed summarily in the bin (most of which you yet know virtually NOTHING about), in the end to be only very cheaply arbitrated by a single perhaps discrediting, but ultimately pseudo-professional process (a "shortcut") of (at least yet here) still unresolved, questionable scientific and accountability value. Given what I have experienced from this web circle in past years, and given my emphatically stated criticisms of its occasional pretensions and apparent lack of ambition to do the continuing real work of even some occasional serious and detailed historical research (not just genealogical research!), I cannot but be exasperated by this latest attempt to find still another instantaneous shortcut route to understanding history (this time not just reliant on web gambits). I feel after TWO trips to England and a third one in the works (I'm in no hurry for my results)-- which have been incredibly productive in ways I felt have been of no immediate need to report back to this particular web circle, &/or until publication of my findings...(BTW, THIS also including new information about some fascinating and provocative English "Holbridge" connections)...I have discovered considerable, layered evidence for at least some direct family connection between, for example, our own Thomas Disbrow and the famous Major General, and his brother Samuel who was founder of Guilford, CT. This is not only for the surprising record of a "Thomas" in the baptismal records at Eltisley from 1625, into the extended family of Maj. Gen. John Disbrowe and his brother Samuel (I have found in England the formal will of the father of these two very famous men which does not, however, mention a "Thomas" inevitably, but who would nevertheless be their cousin, yet the will for James does note some extremely fascinating, provocative connections to various fully named individuals who hold a direct interest value to my own CT "Thomas"). My research has been extensive, over many years and full of anecdotal and factual information which is been not just fascinating for itself, its multi-layers of fact themselves hold implications for proving these connections. It most certainly does flesh out the HISTORY and current state of genealogical information, which at least one respected, life-long Disbrow family genealogist has claimed , because of my research discoveries, makes it almost "99.9%" certain of some direct connection between the Major General who married Oliver Cromwell's sister and that "Thomas" who married Mercy in CT. This is my feeling as well...and I'm not likely to change that on the strength of any "shortcut" process so far described. Are some of you "scientific positivists" out there quite so sure that this particular DNA process will answer all of your needs and questions (BTW, did you happen to see the recent PBS "Secrets of the Dead" TV program, produced in 2004 and very recently re-broadcast, which seriously/thoroughly questions the supposed final authority of the Shroud of Turin scientific carbon dating tests made several years ago??)? Go ahead with DNA testing, I must say I'm one who will be especially fascinated to learn of whatever the outcome may be, and am only very mildly cringing at the prospect. But please at least only do so with some greater modesty about what may be certain in this process, ...with also some greater assurance of some accountable, verifiable means of actually validating any test outcome. Realize also what you may be losing in the long run for any inaccurate (or even any 'accurate') test reading: namely the further encouragement of otherwise to be overlooked, yet very rich historical research detail, not just of the genealogical sort. I don't expect some many of you to care much about the little matter of broader historical "truths" perhaps to be lost, very sadly, ...since I know you must have your all too inevitable "shortcuts,"...certainly at this web circle. -- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Disbrow" <dizzy@michweb.net> To: <DISBROW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: [DISBROW] Disbrow DNA Study > Here is the address for the Disbrow Surname Project at Family Tree DNA: > > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=K52005&special=True&projecttype=S > > Mary Jo - I was wondering if there is a minimum number of participants you > would need in order to proceed with the project. I expressed my own > doubts to you on the telephone the other day, but I wish you well and I > hope there are enough un-skeptics out there to make this worthwhile. It > would be very interesting to find a connection (or disprove one) between > our Thomas Disbrow and Major General John Disbrowe. > > Mike Disbrow > > > ==== DISBROW Mailing List ==== > The Disbrow Family Web Site: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/5853 > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

I certainly agree with Stephen in specifically one area of his message. I live on the west coast of Canada and spent the money about 5 years ago to go to the east coast - New Brunswick to investigate my husband's Disbrow roots (as well as others) in person. It was VERY fulfilling to find this information myself and to take pictures of gravestones of his ancestors. I too went to England to investigate my family's roots in Devon. In the small community that my grandmother lived, it was an awesome feeling to walk down the narrow streets of the village knowing that my ancestors walked that very path. I am now the online parish clerk for that county and enjoy very much helping others trace their roots in that area. Through this assistance, I have found various cousins and connections to other family trees that have broadened my knowledge of my own ancestors. But I use this information as possible clues only and do not assume that it is correct until I can validate it myself. With respect to the Disbrow line, I have been aided by several very amenable people in Eastern Canada who had additional knowledge to share with me. The sharing was a two way street. Without the internet and email, it is doubtful that I would have found these great people and tied our Canadian family into the US Disbrow's. Unfortunately, when I went to England, I hadn't started with the Disbrow research so I didn't take the opportunity to check out what I could find there. Maybe someday... That's what I love about genealogy - it is a continuous detective story - with no final ending. Trish Watson Currie -----Original Message----- From: Stephen T. Squires [mailto:jyscoach@rcn.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:11 AM To: DISBROW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DISBROW] Pseudo Professional Pomposities Ignores the History Dear Disbrows: I guess I must respond to this latest inevitable gambit of the armchair historians & genealogists among you at this gen web circle...There can be NO instantaneous route to understanding HISTORY, let alone our own layered and complex family history! Though given my own disappointing past experience with some at this web circle (I have no intention of debating the following technical points personally, hopefully some of you would want to waste the time however), I can say I have felt all too many of you are simply hanging out here just biding time waiting for exactly such questionable get-"gen"-rich-quick shortcuts, instead of doing some hard work and difficult research called for. Seems to be an occupational hazard of most genny websters generally: looking for quick-fix short-cuts via the web! I wish some of you were, instead, FAR more interested in doing the hard work of some very detailed historical research, perhaps especially in England 'across the pond,' just as I have been attempting myself after two such overseas trips, totalling 8 weeks, with some truly very startling success (including many very new and richly detailed discoveries yet to be disclosed to this or any website). And then conducting some continued, EXTENDED family genealogy as well, in order to ferret out the whole truth of not just some family history, and/or not just for one or two prominent family connections either. This work, "in the long run," being for all its very rich payoffs and rewards from the always very fascinating details of history, otherwise overlooked perhaps now because of a far too easy and very questionable gambit. So now, just call me an olde PURITAN! As you know, I have spent MANY years studying a possible connection to General Disbrowe, among much else, of my own direct CT ancestors, Thomas and Mercy Disbrow. Though hardly just that, and perhaps even more interestingly for our extended family descendants, considering some HISTORICAL connections especially to Nicholas, Peter and Henry Disbrowe of early CT Colony which my work has led to. The historical speculations themselves have been FASCINATING, as well as following the many hisorical trails which themselves amplify factual history! To short-circuit this process of historical research would be to cheat ourselves of some very rich historical knowledge, trust me... This research, of course, has not been simply in order to "crow" about a "high-born" connection or two, as anyone who knows me might realize;...such gen "gold-mining," not inappropriately, seems very discreditable among the 'pseudo-professionalized' gen hobbyist of nowadays. It is, rather, about discovering a much better understanding of my own Mercy Disbrow's very curious CT colonial history, & some extended family mysteries in ye olde CT Colony, each of which holds real interest value generally to my own state history in fact. This 'interest value' includes reasons why some colonial historians have occasional and very provocatively always seemed to dismiss Mercy's extensive trial record as not just difficult to study for its relational complexities, but also understandable only for its being full of some entangling high-level connections. The historical context of Mercy's trial, and a likely related network of impressive familial connections in early CT history, otherwise long overlooked for some now very obvious reasons to me, is exactly what I have been so very painstakingly researching for many years now. I cannot see how DNA testing, superficially intriguing as it undoubtedly would be, will ever be much of a helpful 'short-cut' for me in the end, or my own work on these yet very intriguing historical Disbrow subjects. Yet that same DNA testing, if cheaply, sloppily and unaccountably handled could set us back in some ways you may not realize, but I certainly do realize for my having stuied these same questions most closely and in detail for some many years (though I'm not yet sure I would care very much one way or the other about the outcome of this test, in fact...). My work is all but complete for one lifetime anyway, and so far it has uncovered to my satisfaction an immense and fascinatingly layered story of some real and very general broad interest value! So, I certainly do resent the psudo-professional presumption that now faddish genealogical DNA testing, with its yet here still unresolved validity questions, might actually settle some fascinating issues,...but only then sacrificing the very process of historical research itself. In other words what will we lose for never further uncovering much amplifying historical detail through that short-circuited research (the truth, or the 'devil,' is in the "details!"). Considering that some very justifiable reservations about the process have yet to be raised, let alone resolved,...CAN this DNA shortcut ever be any sort of substitute for the very arduous (but always ultimately productive) work of on-the-scene historical research, uncovering the warp and weft of actual history, its entangling & connecting set of facts? Think of all the details of history that may never yet be uncovered by some of you for presuming some 'final word' has been registered here "scientifically" (I prefer to believe "psuedo-scientifically," in fact!). My concern, then, is over a test outcome which is ultimately based on faulty or even very "cheap" science, perhaps very second rate, ..for how so can we ultimately assure ourselve better about it given what I have so far read, despite seemingly "impressive" references. And, how can we guard against or have any accontability about some test subjects who may or may not be who they may wish to claim that they are? How can those whose anonymity must also be protected (who, afterall, does NOT wish for some effecting anonymity in this vicious age of identity theft) assure the rest of us of some accountability for the integrity and real verifiability in this complex process?? It does not seem nearly so simple a process to me as it may to the many short-cut 'artists' out there, too many of whom habitually rely on internet short-cuts for genealogical "truths." Not only would much be missed of breadth, interest value, & historical detail for never bothering to research further those questions supposedly resolved, but I certainly feel it would short-circuit most ambition for doing further detailed research by too many among you who think some matters may be settled (you see I fear too many who regularly 'hang-out' at such web circles as this one have become hopeless compromised in their ambition to do very serious research anyway). There simply are NO "short cuts," even via the current "fad" of DNA, ....or at any rate there SHOULD not be any such if you wish for a far more complete understanding of some VERY complex family & detailed regional history,...now otherwise possibly to be overlooked (you can have NO idea just HOW "complex" until you've seen the evidence or done the research in the trenches yourself). Look, even the law gets it wrong with this DNA science these days. Perhaps you read recently of a Texas(?) legal forensics professional (was it?) who short-cut her lab work by routinely cutting out a step in replicating the DNA, which "shortcut" has now thrown into chaotic question dozens of criminal trial convictions. There is also, most recently, the case just reported in the news of a "rapist" who was freed on DNA evidence after serving a decade or more in jail , only now to have been caught "red-handed" in an even worse crime (the murder of yet another vulnerable woman, so wasn't it?)...You will get the picture if you realize that I do not appreciate all of my own hard work and very detailed research tossed summarily in the bin (most of which you yet know virtually NOTHING about), in the end to be only very cheaply arbitrated by a single perhaps discrediting, but ultimately pseudo-professional process (a "shortcut") of (at least yet here) still unresolved, questionable scientific and accountability value. Given what I have experienced from this web circle in past years, and given my emphatically stated criticisms of its occasional pretensions and apparent lack of ambition to do the continuing real work of even some occasional serious and detailed historical research (not just genealogical research!), I cannot but be exasperated by this latest attempt to find still another instantaneous shortcut route to understanding history (this time not just reliant on web gambits). I feel after TWO trips to England and a third one in the works (I'm in no hurry for my results)-- which have been incredibly productive in ways I felt have been of no immediate need to report back to this particular web circle, &/or until publication of my findings...(BTW, THIS also including new information about some fascinating and provocative English "Holbridge" connections)...I have discovered considerable, layered evidence for at least some direct family connection between, for example, our own Thomas Disbrow and the famous Major General, and his brother Samuel who was founder of Guilford, CT. This is not only for the surprising record of a "Thomas" in the baptismal records at Eltisley from 1625, into the extended family of Maj. Gen. John Disbrowe and his brother Samuel (I have found in England the formal will of the father of these two very famous men which does not, however, mention a "Thomas" inevitably, but who would nevertheless be their cousin, yet the will for James does note some extremely fascinating, provocative connections to various fully named individuals who hold a direct interest value to my own CT "Thomas"). My research has been extensive, over many years and full of anecdotal and factual information which is been not just fascinating for itself, its multi-layers of fact themselves hold implications for proving these connections. It most certainly does flesh out the HISTORY and current state of genealogical information, which at least one respected, life-long Disbrow family genealogist has claimed , because of my research discoveries, makes it almost "99.9%" certain of some direct connection between the Major General who married Oliver Cromwell's sister and that "Thomas" who married Mercy in CT. This is my feeling as well...and I'm not likely to change that on the strength of any "shortcut" process so far described. Are some of you "scientific positivists" out there quite so sure that this particular DNA process will answer all of your needs and questions (BTW, did you happen to see the recent PBS "Secrets of the Dead" TV program, produced in 2004 and very recently re-broadcast, which seriously/thoroughly questions the supposed final authority of the Shroud of Turin scientific carbon dating tests made several years ago??)? Go ahead with DNA testing, I must say I'm one who will be especially fascinated to learn of whatever the outcome may be, and am only very mildly cringing at the prospect. But please at least only do so with some greater modesty about what may be certain in this process, ...with also some greater assurance of some accountable, verifiable means of actually validating any test outcome. Realize also what you may be losing in the long run for any inaccurate (or even any 'accurate') test reading: namely the further encouragement of otherwise to be overlooked, yet very rich historical research detail, not just of the genealogical sort. I don't expect some many of you to care much about the little matter of broader historical "truths" perhaps to be lost, very sadly, ...since I know you must have your all too inevitable "shortcuts,"...certainly at this web circle. -- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Disbrow" <dizzy@michweb.net> To: <DISBROW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: [DISBROW] Disbrow DNA Study > Here is the address for the Disbrow Surname Project at Family Tree DNA: > > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=K52005&special=True&proje cttype=S > > Mary Jo - I was wondering if there is a minimum number of participants you > would need in order to proceed with the project. I expressed my own > doubts to you on the telephone the other day, but I wish you well and I > hope there are enough un-skeptics out there to make this worthwhile. It > would be very interesting to find a connection (or disprove one) between > our Thomas Disbrow and Major General John Disbrowe. > > Mike Disbrow > > > ==== DISBROW Mailing List ==== > The Disbrow Family Web Site: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/5853 > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429 > ==== DISBROW Mailing List ==== The Disbrow Family Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/5853 ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

----- Original Message ----- From: "Susann Gilbert" <susanngilbert@bellsouth.net> To: "Mary Jo Neyer" <maryjo@neyersoftware.com> Cc: "Michael Disbrow" <dizzy@michweb.net> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [DISBROW] Disbrow DNA project > Unfortunately, your criteria is too constrained. My son was born a pure > 13th generation Disbro, born in 1980, until he was adopted by James Davis > in 1989. Since your samplings require a pure Disbro surname and lineage, > I see that he cannot participate in your conservative study. You see, he > was born illegitimate and properly named "Disbro" until he was adopted and > changed his surname. Sorry that the prerequisite is so strict. He is a > straight genetic line. These genetic things are so stupid, as per this > example. They require parochial lifestyles and conservative lineage. > Because this is a conservative study, and not scientific, it is doomed. > It makes no amends for human foibles. Hence, it shall fail. Your church > shall probably give you some sort of consolation. Best of luck, and may > your God bless. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Jo Neyer" <maryjo@neyersoftware.com> > To: <DISBROW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 4:30 PM > Subject: [DISBROW] Disbrow DNA project > > >> Dear Mike, >> >> Thanks for putting the proper web address for the project up on this >> line. I do struggle with computer skills - my training is all in history >> and linguistics. There is no minum number of participants, but to get a >> sampling of the various branches is helpful. The reason is we are trying >> to find out if all the Disbrows have a common ancestor, or if there are >> various descendants of different progenitors who simply share the same >> surname, whether by adoption, or some other non-paternal event. >> Also, I am glad you pointed out that one of our goals is not to prove >> that we are descended from Gen Desborough, but to find out if one or more >> branches are or are not descended from him. This is a simple and fool >> proof method of answering that question once and for all. >> If we can get samples of several different second and third cousins, >> we can determine the original haplotypes of the founder or founders. For >> example, the most common haplotypes for men from the British Isles are >> R1b and I. Other types are certainly present, and if it is one of these >> smaller haplotypes, we can pinpoint the ancestor's origin to a specific >> geographic location- for example, J2 would lead to the probability that >> the ancestor was of Roman origin. R1b is the original or "Celtic" type, >> while forms of I are Viking. Furthermore, there are various subdivisions >> of these groups, so that I1a, for example means Danish or Anglo-Saxon >> Viking, while R1a or I with other allele signatures tells one that the >> ancestor came from Norway. I even know of 2 British men who found out >> that their haplotype was Q-from India- which probably means that their >> ancestors in Britain were gypsies. >> I know the vocabulary is technical and that is one reason I have offered >> to help coordinate the project. I have been studying these terms and >> have been working with other projects, so am familiar with them and can >> help people understand there is more to the project than just the >> question of Gen Desborough. >> Thanks for writing. Mary Jo >> >> >> ==== DISBROW Mailing List ==== >> The Disbrow Family Web Site: >> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/5853 >> >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >> Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> >> >

Dear Mike, Thanks for putting the proper web address for the project up on this line. I do struggle with computer skills - my training is all in history and linguistics. There is no minum number of participants, but to get a sampling of the various branches is helpful. The reason is we are trying to find out if all the Disbrows have a common ancestor, or if there are various descendants of different progenitors who simply share the same surname, whether by adoption, or some other non-paternal event. Also, I am glad you pointed out that one of our goals is not to prove that we are descended from Gen Desborough, but to find out if one or more branches are or are not descended from him. This is a simple and fool proof method of answering that question once and for all. If we can get samples of several different second and third cousins, we can determine the original haplotypes of the founder or founders. For example, the most common haplotypes for men from the British Isles are R1b and I. Other types are certainly present, and if it is one of these smaller haplotypes, we can pinpoint the ancestor's origin to a specific geographic location- for example, J2 would lead to the probability that the ancestor was of Roman origin. R1b is the original or "Celtic" type, while forms of I are Viking. Furthermore, there are various subdivisions of these groups, so that I1a, for example means Danish or Anglo-Saxon Viking, while R1a or I with other allele signatures tells one that the ancestor came from Norway. I even know of 2 British men who found out that their haplotype was Q-from India- which probably means that their ancestors in Britain were gypsies. I know the vocabulary is technical and that is one reason I have offered to help coordinate the project. I have been studying these terms and have been working with other projects, so am familiar with them and can help people understand there is more to the project than just the question of Gen Desborough. Thanks for writing. Mary Jo

Here is the address for the Disbrow Surname Project at Family Tree DNA: http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=K52005&special=True&projecttype=S Mary Jo - I was wondering if there is a minimum number of participants you would need in order to proceed with the project. I expressed my own doubts to you on the telephone the other day, but I wish you well and I hope there are enough un-skeptics out there to make this worthwhile. It would be very interesting to find a connection (or disprove one) between our Thomas Disbrow and Major General John Disbrowe. Mike Disbrow

Talk about identity theft to the nth degree... >From: "Thomas Disbro" <thomaspauldisbro@hotmail.com> >To: DISBROW-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [DISBROW] Y DNA Disbrow participant >Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:10:52 -0500 > > >Please forgive my skepticism, but how can we achieve some level of >assurance that any dna material that we furnish to you would be used for, >and only for, your stated purpose? How can we be sure that we would not >unwittingly be participating in some sort of health insurance company's >attempt to compile a database of people's genetic deficiencies for the >purpose of exclusion of insurance coverage? Or that our dna material would >not be spread about any crime scenes? Or that your request is not some >internet scam to extract money from willing dupes? > >Thank you for your time. > >>From: Mary Jo Neyer <maryjo@neyersoftware.com> >>To: DISBROW-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [DISBROW] Y DNA Disbrow participant >>Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:47:27 -0500 >> >>Yes, to be a member of the study one needs to be male, have the surname >>Disbrow, and have a paper trail of his ancestors. >>Mary Jo >> >> >>==== DISBROW Mailing List ==== >>The Disbrow Family Web Site: >>http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/5853 >> >> >>============================== >>Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >>Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> > > > >==== DISBROW Mailing List ==== >The Disbrow Family Web Site: >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/5853 > > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors >at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

Dear List folk: I do NOT receive any money or any profit from this project. I am willing to pay for the DNA testing of any documented descendant of Asahel Disbrow, because as a female I cannot participate directly in testing. I also do NOT receive the DNA personally. One pays the lab processing the DNA, whether one chooses familytreedna.com or relativegenetics.com, both reputable DNA companies. Further, I strongly recommend that everyone go to the websites of familytreedna.com and relativegenetics.com and read about what they do, their privacy policies, and the testimonials of genealogists, both professional and amateur. For written references and more information, I highly recommend NEW ENGLAND ANCESTORS, a quarterly put out by THE NEW ENGLAND HISTORIC GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY. Each issue has a feature of family research which used DNA to solve a genealogical problem. Another book which I highly recommend is TRACE YOUR ROOTS WITH DNA by Megan Smolenyak and Ann Turner. My interest is historical. As I have written, by training I am a historian, with a masters from Stanford Univ. in 1979, and I am volunteering my time, effort and money because I love history and I love genealogy, and I think the truth is important to discover. Please write with any more questions. I have more literature and web sites to recommend. Mary Jo

Dear Ms. Gilbert, I am sure that what you say is true, but that does not in any way support the veracity of Ms. Neyer's request. I do not mean to impugn the honor of Ms. Neyer's intentions. I know nothing of Ms. Neyer. I am just suggesting that, given the questionable nature of so much of what is found on the internet, we Disbros should err on the side of caution when it comes to paying someone we don't know to receive our DNA in the mail. Respectfully, Tom >From: "Susann Gilbert" <susanngilbert@bellsouth.net> >To: DISBROW-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [DISBROW] Y DNA Disbrow study >Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:50:29 -0500 > > >Similar studies tracking lineage certainly have been conducted in the past. >One of the most renowned is the link between President Thomas Jefferson and >his slave, Sally Hemings. The following is from the University of >Virginia, regarding the same: > > An article in the November 5, 1998, edition of Nature provides DNA >evidence that Thomas Jefferson or some other male Jefferson such as >Randolph, the brother of Thomas, could have been the father of one of the >sons of Sally Hemings, who was a slave at Jefferson's Monticello. The >technique relies on the fact that the human Y-chromosome is handed down >directly from father to son and that all paternally related males will have >the same Y-chromosome. Although Thomas Jefferson did not have any sons who >survived to produce children, his father's brother, Field Jefferson, did >have sons and it has been possible to locate 5 descendants of Field >Jefferson who are in a direct male-line of descent. Thus, these individuals >(descendants of Field Jefferson) should have the same Y-chromosome DNA as >the Y-chromosome DNA of Thomas Jefferson and any male-line descendant of >his. >The male-line descendants of two of Sally Hemmings sons were located and >their Y-chromosome DNA was examined for comparison to the Y-chromosome DNA >of Field Jefferson's descendants. The DNA from the five male-line >descendants of Thomas Woodson, oldest son of Sally Hemings, did not match >the Jefferson DNA. In fact, one of Woodson's descendants did not match well >with the other four. However, the DNA from the one descendant of Eston >Hemings, youngest son of Sally Hemings, did match the Jefferson DNA. >This lends credence to the supposition that Thomas Jefferson may have been >the father of Eston Hemings. However, historian Williard S. Randall, notes, >"There were 25 men within 20 miles of Monticello who were all Jeffersons >and had the same Y chromosome. And 23 of them were younger than Jefferson, >who was 65 years old when Eston was conceived." Randall, wrote a 1993 >biography of Jefferson, titled, Thomas Jefferson: A Life. More detailed >information is available. Three different authors provide some perspective >on Jefferson and Hemings in The Nation. Finally, the The Jefferson-Hemings >Scholars Commission concluded that Randolph Jefferson, Thomas' brother, was >more likely to have fathered Eston Hemings. > >Just FYI with best regards to all, > >Susann Disbro Gilbert >1482 Barbara St. >Mt. Pleasant, SC 29464 >Phone/Fax: 843.856.5072 >Read my latest article: >http://www.pictureshowman.com/articles_personalities_calhoun.cfm >Visit my web site: >http://www.alicecalhoun.net > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Jo Neyer" ><maryjo@neyersoftware.com> >To: <DISBROW-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 10:13 PM >Subject: [DISBROW] Y DNA Disbrow study > > >>I would like to explain that the Y chromosome is carried only by men. >>Women carry the XX, men carry YX. Therefore women who are descended >>from Disbrows can help recruit male Disbrow participants and help share >>the fees of testing, but only men can actually take this test analysis. >>Thanks, Mary Jo > > > >==== DISBROW Mailing List ==== >The Disbrow Family Web Site: >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/5853 > > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >