Hi, " and several soldiers " is what they would say here !!! in other words it could be anybody`s !!! how very judgemental for a priest !!! The end of the HMS Exeter story is that I have found from Plymouth Militaria the inspired compromise of painting the crest on a shield cut out of mdf .....half the price and weight of the metal or wood shields . Result !!!!! It will be on its way to Snoekies Shell Hole in Simonstown asap !!! life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: <paul.hockie@talk21.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] Meaning of "[et populi]" in baptism record? I would like to add that the use of "et populi" is interesting. Most entries I have seen use "illeg(itimate)" or even "bastard child". "Et Populi" means "and the people". Is the vicar saying that he does not believe Mr Tender was the father and perhaps she was the most popular girl in the village. Paul ________________________________ From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2013, 17:07 Subject: [DEV] Meaning of "[et populi]" in baptism record? Hi, you don`t say where he was bapt in 1718......and it may be there is an OPC for that village or the parish registers are online . There may be a note alongside his bapt . It was fairly commonplace for unmarried women to tag their babies with the father`s name , maybe to shame them into paying a contribution to their upkeep or as a reminder of promises not kept !!!! And sometimes the vicar or whoever bapt the baby would note the name of the father alongside the entry . I would rather like to check the name Tender before committing to believing it , as you say its not a common name anywhere which kind of indicates its a mistranscription . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graeme M Bailey" <graeme@baileynet.com.au> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] Meaning of "[et populi]" in baptism record? > Thanks James and Terry for assistance :-) > > Does anyone have any other examples of this sort > of entry? ie mother baptising baby with > father's surname? > I have heard of children being given the family > name by common usage but I haven't heard of of the mother > baptizing the baby with the father's name > when he's 'flown the coop' or 'shot through' > or whatever the expression was at that time... > > Has anyone got another example of the use of > this 'et populi' in another baptism that I could look at? > > > Searching Findmypast for surname 'Tender' > found only one record from Devon for the years 1538 - 2005 > and only 19 records for that surname total for the whole of UK > > so it seems to be a very uncommon name? > > > Forename(s):John > Surname:Tender > Year:1708 > Month:May > Day:7 > Father's Forename:William > Mother's Forename:Jane > Mother's Surname: > Birth Day: > Birth Month: > Birth Year: > Dedication:Thrushelton > Place:Plymouth > County:Devon > Page:Archive Ref:686/1 > Notes: > Record source: > Baptism Register - Transcripts Data provider:Plymouth & West Devon > Record Office Collection > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2013-11-28 at 13:36 +0000, James Phillips-Evans wrote: >> Hello Graeme >> >> Yes, I agree with Terry. It's one of the numerous euphemisms denoting an >> illegitimate child - a 'child of the people' with no legal father. >> However, I would imagine that his father may well have been a man named >> John Tender given that middle names (as we understand them) were >> virtually non-existent at that time. Have you looked into the parish >> chest records for the parish? There may be some sort of bastardy >> certificate. >> >> Best wishes >> >> James >> >> _________________________ >> James L. 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