I saw one minister describe one such child as 'Love Child' now there was a charitable man. Marie -----Original Message----- From: Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 1:38 PM To: paul.hockie@talk21.com ; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Meaning of "[et populi]" in baptism record? We must not forget that often the word BASE is often used for illegitimate children. In most cases in Parish Registers, that I've seen, base born children are more than likely to be registered as (name) son/daughter of (females name). Without any mention of any word describing the child's status. Most children in Parish Registers rarely had more than one name until around 200 years ago. It was then down to who ever wrote the Parish Registers what information was entered. Not all Parish Registers were recorded by the Vicar. A close relation of mine Francis Blackmore wrote the Sheldon Parish Registers for 40 years. He was the Parish Clerk as well as principle witness at many a wedding during those 40 years he was parish clerk. I also note that what is entered in Parish Registers isn't always as was originally entered. I have seen instances of the word Bastard and under lined in Parish registers written by another hand. At what time that was written we may never know, it may well have been 100 years later. Unfortunately people can't resist adding often sarcastic remarks. In some instances ripping out pages to hide that one of their ancestors may have been illegitimate. Funny people is the human race, we have to many prejudices. Terry Blackmore OPC, Sheldon, Devon. ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to all for the interesting comments... So is it most likely that the child in question would be known as John Bailey or as John Tender or as John Tender Bailey? baptised 1718 The mother is called Gartrud does anyone have any clues how to find her? Best regards Graeme On Fri, 2013-11-29 at 13:46 +1100, Marie McCulloch wrote: > I saw one minister describe one such child as 'Love Child' now there was a > charitable man. > Marie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 1:38 PM > To: paul.hockie@talk21.com ; devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Meaning of "[et populi]" in baptism record? > > We must not forget that often the word BASE is often used for illegitimate > children. In most cases in Parish Registers, that I've seen, base born > children are more than likely to be registered as (name) son/daughter of > (females name). Without any mention of any word describing the child's > status. Most children in Parish Registers rarely had more than one name > until around 200 years ago. It was then down to who ever wrote the Parish > Registers what information was entered. Not all Parish Registers were > recorded by the Vicar. A close relation of mine Francis Blackmore wrote the > Sheldon Parish Registers for 40 years. He was the Parish Clerk as well as > principle witness at many a wedding during those 40 years he was parish > clerk. I also note that what is entered in Parish Registers isn't always as > was originally entered. I have seen instances of the word Bastard and under > lined in Parish registers written by another hand. At what time that was > written we may never know, it may well have been 100 years later. > Unfortunately people can't resist adding often sarcastic remarks. In some > instances ripping out pages to hide that one of their ancestors may have > been illegitimate. Funny people is the human race, we have to many > prejudices. > > Terry Blackmore > OPC, Sheldon, Devon. > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You could contact the Online Parish Clerk for Stoke Dameral he may have the information you want. Don't for get Baily could also be spelt Bayley/Bailey and every other possible way of spelling it. Name: John Tender Baily Gender: Male Christening Date: 17 Aug 1718 Christening Place: STOKE DAMEREL,DEVON,ENGLAND Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Gartrud Baily Terry Blackmore OPC, Sheldon, Devon. -----Original Message----- From: Graeme M Bailey Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 3:01 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Meaning of "[et populi]" in baptism record? Thanks to all for the interesting comments... So is it most likely that the child in question would be known as John Bailey or as John Tender or as John Tender Bailey? baptised 1718 The mother is called Gartrud does anyone have any clues how to find her? Best regards Graeme On Fri, 2013-11-29 at 13:46 +1100, Marie McCulloch wrote: > I saw one minister describe one such child as 'Love Child' now there was a > charitable man. > Marie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 1:38 PM > To: paul.hockie@talk21.com ; devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Meaning of "[et populi]" in baptism record? > > We must not forget that often the word BASE is often used for illegitimate > children. In most cases in Parish Registers, that I've seen, base born > children are more than likely to be registered as (name) son/daughter of > (females name). Without any mention of any word describing the child's > status. Most children in Parish Registers rarely had more than one name > until around 200 years ago. It was then down to who ever wrote the Parish > Registers what information was entered. Not all Parish Registers were > recorded by the Vicar. A close relation of mine Francis Blackmore wrote > the > Sheldon Parish Registers for 40 years. He was the Parish Clerk as well as > principle witness at many a wedding during those 40 years he was parish > clerk. I also note that what is entered in Parish Registers isn't always > as > was originally entered. I have seen instances of the word Bastard and > under > lined in Parish registers written by another hand. At what time that was > written we may never know, it may well have been 100 years later. > Unfortunately people can't resist adding often sarcastic remarks. In some > instances ripping out pages to hide that one of their ancestors may have > been illegitimate. Funny people is the human race, we have to many > prejudices. > > Terry Blackmore > OPC, Sheldon, Devon. > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message