Hello Tim You are not wrong here In fact thankyou very very much I will tell you why Florence BOW I am told was the gran daughter of James Holman but I could not understand why the old lady meant She tell me that James was Holman I am still confused because his name is Bow in the census? But thank you very much I am going down that path I stupidly disregard the Holman name as hear say I just wonder how you actually know this? Jill ---- "Tim Treeby (Genealogy)" <> wrote: ============= I have a convoluted theory which means that your James BOW was actually James Beazley HOLMAN but I could be wrong. My reasoning goes like this On 1891 Census (St George the Martyr, Soutwark) your James Bow is shown as being born 1851 in Torquay and is a Bricklayers Labourer. Also on that census shows a son Arthur born 1874 in Westminster, London. On checking the 1881 Census for this Arthur I found in (St George the Martyr, Southwark) an Arthur Bow, son of William Bow and Jadwiga Bow (Who's age and place of Birth matches your Mary Bow). Also on that Census was a James B Holman born 1851 in Torquay and is a Bricklayers Labourer. I believe that William Bow died and James Holman became Head of Household and was going by the name Bow at least on the Censuses. I say this because could not find any Births to match for Florence, George or James as a Bow, but found a George and a James Holman Births which match the years given in 1891 and 1901 Census. Also on 1901 Census James Bow gives his occupation as Shoe Black Licensed. I have found Baptisms for a George Beazley Holman and a James Beazley Holman, Father given as James, Mother as Mary and occupation as Shoe Black. Unable to find a Jadwiga Bow on 1891/1901 Census but did find a death for Jadwiga Mary Bow aged 60 in 1910 - Southwark Vol 1d p 63. Also struggling to locate James B Holman on any Census after 1881 nor can i find a marriage or death for him but his Birth is registered in Newton Abbot District (which covers Torquay) in Q1 1851. Nor could i seem to find a marrige for Florence (Bow/Holman) to unknown Shepherd. Without getting her Death Certificate and finding out who the informant was and what the Address was and/or Birth Certificates for George Holman or James Holman, cannot say for certain my theory is correct. Hope this helps rather than hinders. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 On 30/11/2013 21:40, Jill wrote: > Good Morning - I am hoping someone doing the BOW tree is on this list > I am trying to connect to JAMES BOW born in or around 1851 Berry Pomeroy - but he says in the 1901 and 1911 census in Southwark London that he was born in Torquay, Devon. > The only James BOW I could find was this James Henry BOW son of Thomas BOW and Ann CUMMING - > I took a look at the Family trees on Ancestry and none of them have this James Married some do not have it on their trees at all > My James and his wife Mary born in 1850 St James London were in the 1901 census - can find no marriage entry for them. > James is in the 1861 census with his family then missing until 1891 where he appear to be in London with a wife Mary. > He is widowed in 1911 living in Walworth Southwark, with him is his daughter Florence [nee BOW] SHEPHERD and her children. Florence eventually re marries Albert GOULD but that is not what I am searching for > > IS this the correct James ? > was his real name James Henry BOW is Torquay near enough to Berry Pomeroy to say he was born there? > What happened to him between 1861 and 1881? > > A Big ask I know but maybe something will click to a list member > > PS I did work on the premise that he was James BOW born in Chetnole Dorset but I now know this is not him > > Thank you in anticipation > Jill > on: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3629/6880 - Release Date: 11/30/13 ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message