>From my database:- born:- 14 January 1851 , baptised:- 02 February 1851 , James Beazley HOLMAN , child of :- John & Harriett of:- New Church Row , fathers occupation:- smith , notes:- , Where:- Tormoham ALSO born:- 24 July 1849 , baptised:- 19 August 1849 , William John Beazeley HOLMAN , child of :- John & Harriet of:- Torquay , fathers occupation:- blacksmith , notes:- , Where:- Tormoham Terry >----Original Message---- >From: genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk >Date: 01/12/2013 2:02 >To: <devon@rootsweb.com> >Subj: Re: [DEV] BOW in Berry Pomeroy > >I have a convoluted theory which means that your James BOW was actually >James Beazley HOLMAN but I could be wrong. >My reasoning goes like this > >On 1891 Census (St George the Martyr, Soutwark) your James Bow is shown >as being born 1851 in Torquay and is a Bricklayers Labourer. >Also on that census shows a son Arthur born 1874 in Westminster, London. > >On checking the 1881 Census for this Arthur I found in (St George the >Martyr, Southwark) an Arthur Bow, son of William Bow and Jadwiga Bow > (Who's age and place of Birth matches your Mary Bow). >Also on that Census was a James B Holman born 1851 in Torquay and is a >Bricklayers Labourer. > >I believe that William Bow died and James Holman became Head of >Household and was going by the name Bow at least on the Censuses. > >I say this because could not find any Births to match for Florence, >George or James as a Bow, but found a George and a James Holman Births >which match the years given in 1891 and 1901 Census. >Also on 1901 Census James Bow gives his occupation as Shoe Black >Licensed. I have found Baptisms for a George Beazley Holman and a James >Beazley Holman, Father given as James, Mother as Mary and occupation as >Shoe Black. > >Unable to find a Jadwiga Bow on 1891/1901 Census but did find a death >for Jadwiga Mary Bow aged 60 in 1910 - Southwark Vol 1d p 63. >Also struggling to locate James B Holman on any Census after 1881 nor >can i find a marriage or death for him but his Birth is registered in >Newton Abbot District (which covers Torquay) in Q1 1851. >Nor could i seem to find a marrige for Florence (Bow/Holman) to unknown >Shepherd. > >Without getting her Death Certificate and finding out who the informant >was and what the Address was and/or Birth Certificates for George Holman >or James Holman, cannot say for certain my theory is correct. > >Hope this helps rather than hinders. > >Tim Treeby > >DFHS 13926 > >On 30/11/2013 21: 40, Jill wrote: >> Good Morning - I am hoping someone doing the BOW tree is on this list >> I am trying to connect to JAMES BOW born in or around 1851 Berry Pomeroy - but he says in the 1901 and 1911 census in Southwark London that he was born in Torquay, Devon. >> The only James BOW I could find was this James Henry BOW son of Thomas BOW and Ann CUMMING - >> I took a look at the Family trees on Ancestry and none of them have this James Married some do not have it on their trees at all >> My James and his wife Mary born in 1850 St James London were in the 1901 census - can find no marriage entry for them. >> James is in the 1861 census with his family then missing until 1891 where he appear to be in London with a wife Mary. >> He is widowed in 1911 living in Walworth Southwark, with him is his daughter Florence [nee BOW] SHEPHERD and her children. Florence eventually re marries Albert GOULD but that is not what I am searching for >> >> IS this the correct James ? >> was his real name James Henry BOW is Torquay near enough to Berry Pomeroy to say he was born there? >> What happened to him between 1861 and 1881? >> >> A Big ask I know but maybe something will click to a list member >> >> PS I did work on the premise that he was James BOW born in Chetnole Dorset but I now know this is not him >> >> Thank you in anticipation >> Jill >> on: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3629/6880 - Release Date: 11/30/13 > >------------------------------------------ >The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/) >

Thank you very much Terry very much appreciated How exciting this was to find - I was stuck and now I am off again sincerely Jill -- Jill [ARNOLD] MORLEY O.P.C. [Genealogy] for the village- Winterbourne Kingston in Dorset, England http://www.opcdorset.org Project - Street Names of the Copper Coast – project Project- Port Adelaide Notes and Pictures of Past People ---- "terryleaman@tiscali.co.uk" <terryleaman@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: ============= >From my database:- born:- 14 January 1851 , baptised:- 02 February 1851 , James Beazley HOLMAN , child of :- John & Harriett of:- New Church Row , fathers occupation:- smith , notes:- , Where:- Tormoham ALSO born:- 24 July 1849 , baptised:- 19 August 1849 , William John Beazeley HOLMAN , child of :- John & Harriet of:- Torquay , fathers occupation:- blacksmith , notes:- , Where:- Tormoham Terry >----Original Message---- >From: genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk >Date: 01/12/2013 2:02 >To: <devon@rootsweb.com> >Subj: Re: [DEV] BOW in Berry Pomeroy > >I have a convoluted theory which means that your James BOW was actually >James Beazley HOLMAN but I could be wrong. >My reasoning goes like this > >On 1891 Census (St George the Martyr, Soutwark) your James Bow is shown >as being born 1851 in Torquay and is a Bricklayers Labourer. >Also on that census shows a son Arthur born 1874 in Westminster, London. > >On checking the 1881 Census for this Arthur I found in (St George the >Martyr, Southwark) an Arthur Bow, son of William Bow and Jadwiga Bow > (Who's age and place of Birth matches your Mary Bow). >Also on that Census was a James B Holman born 1851 in Torquay and is a >Bricklayers Labourer. > >I believe that William Bow died and James Holman became Head of >Household and was going by the name Bow at least on the Censuses. > >I say this because could not find any Births to match for Florence, >George or James as a Bow, but found a George and a James Holman Births >which match the years given in 1891 and 1901 Census. >Also on 1901 Census James Bow gives his occupation as Shoe Black >Licensed. I have found Baptisms for a George Beazley Holman and a James >Beazley Holman, Father given as James, Mother as Mary and occupation as >Shoe Black. > >Unable to find a Jadwiga Bow on 1891/1901 Census but did find a death >for Jadwiga Mary Bow aged 60 in 1910 - Southwark Vol 1d p 63. >Also struggling to locate James B Holman on any Census after 1881 nor >can i find a marriage or death for him but his Birth is registered in >Newton Abbot District (which covers Torquay) in Q1 1851. >Nor could i seem to find a marrige for Florence (Bow/Holman) to unknown >Shepherd. > >Without getting her Death Certificate and finding out who the informant >was and what the Address was and/or Birth Certificates for George Holman >or James Holman, cannot say for certain my theory is correct. > >Hope this helps rather than hinders. > >Tim Treeby > >DFHS 13926 > >On 30/11/2013 21: 40, Jill wrote: >> Good Morning - I am hoping someone doing the BOW tree is on this list >> I am trying to connect to JAMES BOW born in or around 1851 Berry Pomeroy - but he says in the 1901 and 1911 census in Southwark London that he was born in Torquay, Devon. >> The only James BOW I could find was this James Henry BOW son of Thomas BOW and Ann CUMMING - >> I took a look at the Family trees on Ancestry and none of them have this James Married some do not have it on their trees at all >> My James and his wife Mary born in 1850 St James London were in the 1901 census - can find no marriage entry for them. >> James is in the 1861 census with his family then missing until 1891 where he appear to be in London with a wife Mary. >> He is widowed in 1911 living in Walworth Southwark, with him is his daughter Florence [nee BOW] SHEPHERD and her children. Florence eventually re marries Albert GOULD but that is not what I am searching for >> >> IS this the correct James ? >> was his real name James Henry BOW is Torquay near enough to Berry Pomeroy to say he was born there? >> What happened to him between 1861 and 1881? >> >> A Big ask I know but maybe something will click to a list member >> >> PS I did work on the premise that he was James BOW born in Chetnole Dorset but I now know this is not him >> >> Thank you in anticipation >> Jill >> on: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3629/6880 - Release Date: 11/30/13 > >------------------------------------------ >The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/) > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message