Hi, I should be munching through the first of many boxes of Christmas chocs, but am so incensed at your remarks about DFHS website and organisation that I have to say you are completely wrong Of all the counties in England , Devon has probably the best online resources of any . Your best bet is to buy the cd of the Deanery of Plympton giving the bmb of those parishes which include Brixton, Plymstock and Plympton ....It is perfectly clear what is on the cd from the various parish pages on genuki which list exhaustively the dates and events covered for each parish . This below is on the Briston genuki page. An index of baptisms, marriages and burials in the Deanery of Plympton. with photographs of the churches and extracts from White's Devonshire Directory 1850 and The National Gazetteer of Great Britain and Ireland (1868), CD-ROM, Exeter, Devon FHS (2007). [Brixton: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Cornwood: Bapt (1813-1840), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1838), Ermington: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1838), Bur (1813-1837 ), Harford: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1755-1837), Bur (1813-1838), Holbeton: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Ivybridge: Bapt (1835-1840), Mar (1835-1840), Bur (1836-1840), Kingston: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1836), Bur (1813-1837), Modbury: Bapt (1813-1840), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Newton Ferrers: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1836), Bur (1813-1837)), North Huish: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Plympton St. Mary: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Plympton St. Maurice: Bapt (1813-1840), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Plymstock: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Revelstoke: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Shaugh Prior: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1835), Ugborough: Bapt (1813-1840), Mar (1754-1841), Bur (1813-1837), Wembury: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1612-1837), Bur (1813-1840), Yealmpton: Bapt (1813-1840), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837)] And not everything survived , you seem to believe that all pieces of paper survived from a couple of hundred years ago . They didn`t . And your illegitimate ancestor was one of tens of thousands of similarly born children . If there are no bastardy orders for Brixton then perhaps it hasn`t survived or perhaps the father agreed privately to provide or the family had sufficient to bring up the child without parish help . There are endless permutations . You ask for more suggestions and mine , not very Christmassy , would be to forget this quest for what may be a non existent item !!!! life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Sanders" <utvairs@yahoo.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] Finding Corroborating Evidence... Thank you to all who have given me excellent advice on this subject. Most of the suggestions I have already tried without success. I have searched A2A exhaustively, and only come up with 1 entry that may possibly be related. I am specifically looking for court documents to try and prove or disprove parentage of an illegitimate child, born either in Brixton or Plymstock in 1772 - 1774. This catalogue seems to be what I need for Brixton: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=028-723&cid=0#0 but it doesn't go back far enough. I can't seem to find a like collection for Plymstock. I have found nothing on GENUKI for the parishes I am interested in. None of them have an OPC that I am aware of, unless they fall under a larger parish. I have googled my heart out looking for a searchable index of the Brixton registry covering 1727 - 1812, to no avail. Neither FamilySearch nor FMP have this registry. All I have left to try, as near as I can tell, are the paid sources. I looked into the DFHS some time ago, I think they might have some information that would be useful to me... But their website is poorly done, and doesn't give enough information. I seem to recall sending an email asking for more information on what is contained on the CD's they offer, and never got a reply back. I have learned that I can access Ancestry.com for free through my local LDS FH library, but I haven't yet had the opportunity to get there. THanks for all the help. Any other suggestions would be appreciated. Sincerely, Blaine ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would hope, Elizabeth, that you're not affiliated with DFHS in any way -- I would think they would be rather embarrassed at your remarks. I had been, previous to your remarks, strongly considering joining the DFHS and purchasing some CD's. However, I've come to realize that there are some overly-sensitive and emotional people behind it, and I just don't need that material badly enough to deal with that kind of behavior. You think you understand my intentions, but you don't. You fail to realize that you attach your own emotions to my words. You may picture me sneering, fuming, foaming at the mouth, even, as I pound my little keyboard with antagonistic fervor. You don't take the time to think about what my thoughts, feelings, or intentions might have been. It doesn't appear that you give much thought to your own words, either, or how they will be received. Words are difficult. I don't profess to have perfect command of them. Even if I did, you would still interpret them in your own way, attaching your own meaning to them, whether or not you are correct. We all do to some degree. That is both the greatest weakness and the greatest strength of this form of communication. But I digress. I would wholeheartedly agree, based on my limited experience, that, as you say, Devon does indeed have the best online resources of any county. However, it is not perfect... And that's perfectly understandable and acceptable. The amount of information available now has taken decades, centuries even, countless hours and sometimes entire lives devoted to preserve, protect, and make available. I don't take that lightly. And yet, as hard as we try, no matter how many hours we dedicate to the cause, there will never be a perfect record as long as imperfect beings are the curators and stewards of it. And though we have countless reasons to rejoice in what we do have, am I behaving unjustly to lament at that which is lost to the ravages of time? Or to bemoan the fact that records DO exist, but are out of reach? Some feel I was out of place to express my deep disappointment at not being able to find an index of a parish that is critical to my research. Some have experienced this themselves and can relate. Some, such as yourself, chose to take it personally, perhaps feeling a sense of embarrassment that I exposed some imperfection. That's a natural reaction, and I don't hold it against you. However, as I explained in my last post, it was never my intention to offend, and I sincerely apologized if I had unintentionally done so. If you don't want to accept my apology, that's your choice. The only person that harms is yourself. I hope you can allow yourself to let go of your animosity and enjoy the rest of your Christmas. At least you got a box of chocolates. Some people didn't get anything... But I can still be happy. I hope you can too. Merry Christmas everyone. Blaine > On Dec 25, 2013, at 4:00 AM, "elizabeth howard" <elizgh@btinternet.com> wrote: > > Hi, I should be munching through the first of many boxes of Christmas chocs, but am so incensed at your remarks about DFHS website and organisation that I have to say you are completely wrong Of all the counties in England , Devon has probably the best online resources of any . Your best bet is to buy the cd of the Deanery of Plympton giving the bmb of those parishes which include Brixton, Plymstock and Plympton ....It is perfectly clear what is on the cd from the various parish pages on genuki which list exhaustively the dates and events covered for each parish . This below is on the Briston genuki page. > An index of baptisms, marriages and burials in the Deanery of Plympton. with photographs of the churches and extracts from White's Devonshire Directory 1850 and The National Gazetteer of Great Britain and Ireland (1868), CD-ROM, Exeter, Devon FHS (2007). [Brixton: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Cornwood: Bapt (1813-1840), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1838), Ermington: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1838), Bur (1813-1837 ), Harford: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1755-1837), Bur (1813-1838), Holbeton: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Ivybridge: Bapt (1835-1840), Mar (1835-1840), Bur (1836-1840), Kingston: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1836), Bur (1813-1837), Modbury: Bapt (1813-1840), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Newton Ferrers: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1836), Bur (1813-1837)), North Huish: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Plympton St. Mary: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Plympton St. Mau! rice: Bapt (1813-1840), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Plymstock: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Revelstoke: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837), Shaugh Prior: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1835), Ugborough: Bapt (1813-1840), Mar (1754-1841), Bur (1813-1837), Wembury: Bapt (1813-1839), Mar (1612-1837), Bur (1813-1840), Yealmpton: Bapt (1813-1840), Mar (1754-1837), Bur (1813-1837)] > And not everything survived , you seem to believe that all pieces of paper survived from a couple of hundred years ago . They didn`t . And your illegitimate ancestor was one of tens of thousands of similarly born children . If there are no bastardy orders for Brixton then perhaps it hasn`t survived or perhaps the father agreed privately to provide or the family had sufficient to bring up the child without parish help . There are endless permutations . > You ask for more suggestions and mine , not very Christmassy , would be to forget this quest for what may be a non

Hi: Please EVERYONE, adhere to the stricture in the GENUKI/Devon's "Frequently Asked Questions" - "If you wish to complain or comment unfavourably about some other subscriber please do so directly to the subscriber and/or to the list owner or moderators - NOT to the entire list, which just exacerbates the problem. . . Similarly, the list is not an appropriate place for critical comments about archives and other organisations, e.g. regarding their policies concerning access to information they possess which would be useful to genealogists." I should not have had to post such an ADMIN message on Christmas Day, of all days! Cheers Brian Randell [Please excuse brevity - sent from my iPad] email: Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk<mailto:Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk> tel: +(44)191 222 7923