Hi Joy Yes I did read the Wolborough baptisms from at least 1803 when I visited the DRO in 1996 and I recorded William Soper POOK. Maria had a sister Mary bap 1798, I assume WSP is her child. Mary & Maria's mother's maiden name was SOPER. The PR is real mess, appallingly hard to read and I was new to research. These days I would also check for BTs in the hope they had been written neatly by the incumbent. Not all Devon BTs survive, I don't know about Wolborough. I have always assumed that John and Maria BISHOP were living in West Teignmouth for long enough (working in the parish for 1 year?) for him to gain Settlement there because that is what the examination in 1843 determined. But it seems that was not the case and it was Maria who moved there 1831-2. In 1841 my G-Grandfather Richard was an apprentice (mason) living in Wolborough with his grandmother Susanna POOK. I assumed he was apprenticed by the Overseers of the Poor but that would mean his father John had Settlement at Wolborough. Confusing! It is possible John & Maria had a child before Richard, there is enough time for more than one child between Richard & William and she could well have been pregnant when he was arrested. It is difficult from this distance as few PRs in that area have been transcribed/indexed. When I asked the DRO about buying PR fiche more than a year ago I was told I should wait for FMP to put the remainder of the Devon PRs on-line. I doubt if I am going to last the distance! Best wishes from Diana On 30/12/2013, at 2:54 AM, Joy Langdon <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> wrote: > Have you checked for baptisms before the marriage? > There is a baptism at Wolborough 14 Aug 1824 William Soper Pook, mother Mary Pook. There is a William Pook born c1826 in the same household as Maria in 1861 described as nephew. Did Maria have a sister Mary? > > Joy > > > ________________________________ > From: Diana Stevens <diagramdiana@iinet.net.au> > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, 29 December 2013, 8:05 > Subject: Re: [DEV] John BISHOP convicted at Exeter 1831 > > > Hi Katherine > > Thanks for that. I spent the morning contemplating all the confusing details of this family after finding a report of his sentence. > > Tim Treeby suggested using the British Newspaper Archive indexes and then viewing on FMP, so I did a narrow date search of all newspapers and found the report of his sentencing in the Sherborne Mercury 28/03/1831: > > "DEVON LENT ASSIZES > John Bishop was convicted of stealing divers tools from a certain building adjoining the dwelling house of John Stooke, the property of John Barton Stooke, There was another indictment against the prisoner for larceny, and the Judge, therefore, sentenced him to be transported for life." > > In the census I found John Barton STOOKE lived in Kingskerswell and he was a Timber Merchant. John BISHOP was a carpenter, he may have worked in the timber yard so he knew where the tools were kept. At the beginning of 1830 John was still living in Wolborough where he married 28 Aug1825 (a sojourner) and had two sons Richard (bap 12 Mar 1826) & William (bap 30 Jan 1830). William was buried there 2 Feb 1830. It is not far from Kingskerswell. > > I had decided he was probably my John Bishop but I wanted the final proof. I got to the stage of finding that record in the Tasmanian Archives but stopped to prepare lunch before going further. > > I always had doubts about whether the John baptised at Teigngrace in 1803 was my John BISHOP, as was suggested to me by a DFHS researcher in 1998, despite the matching naming patterns. I needed at least some idea of how old the John who married Maria was, now I have it. > > He was only 5 ft 3.75 in tall. At least one of his male grandchildren and several in the next two generations are 6 ft 3 in! > >> From his conduct record he was not a well behaved prisoner, and in it he has provided another puzzle to solve. He claims he has four children, I only know of the two children mentioned above. > > Best wishes from Diana > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Diana: Both Soper and Pook are old Bovey Tracey names and Bovey is only five or six miles from Wolborough, Mike. -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diana Stevens Sent: Monday, 30 December 2013 8:40 PM To: Joy Langdon; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] John BISHOP convicted at Exeter 1831 Hi Joy Yes I did read the Wolborough baptisms from at least 1803 when I visited the DRO in 1996 and I recorded William Soper POOK. Maria had a sister Mary bap 1798, I assume WSP is her child. Mary & Maria's mother's maiden name was SOPER. The PR is real mess, appallingly hard to read and I was new to research. These days I would also check for BTs in the hope they had been written neatly by the incumbent. Not all Devon BTs survive, I don't know about Wolborough. I have always assumed that John and Maria BISHOP were living in West Teignmouth for long enough (working in the parish for 1 year?) for him to gain Settlement there because that is what the examination in 1843 determined. But it seems that was not the case and it was Maria who moved there 1831-2. In 1841 my G-Grandfather Richard was an apprentice (mason) living in Wolborough with his grandmother Susanna POOK. I assumed he was apprenticed by the Overseers of the Poor but that would mean his father John had Settlement at Wolborough. Confusing! It is possible John & Maria had a child before Richard, there is enough time for more than one child between Richard & William and she could well have been pregnant when he was arrested. It is difficult from this distance as few PRs in that area have been transcribed/indexed. When I asked the DRO about buying PR fiche more than a year ago I was told I should wait for FMP to put the remainder of the Devon PRs on-line. I doubt if I am going to last the distance! Best wishes from Diana On 30/12/2013, at 2:54 AM, Joy Langdon <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> wrote: > Have you checked for baptisms before the marriage? > There is a baptism at Wolborough 14 Aug 1824 William Soper Pook, mother Mary Pook. There is a William Pook born c1826 in the same household as Maria in 1861 described as nephew. Did Maria have a sister Mary? > > Joy > > > ________________________________ > From: Diana Stevens <diagramdiana@iinet.net.au> > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, 29 December 2013, 8:05 > Subject: Re: [DEV] John BISHOP convicted at Exeter 1831 > > > Hi Katherine > > Thanks for that. I spent the morning contemplating all the confusing details of this family after finding a report of his sentence. > > Tim Treeby suggested using the British Newspaper Archive indexes and then viewing on FMP, so I did a narrow date search of all newspapers and found the report of his sentencing in the Sherborne Mercury 28/03/1831: > > "DEVON LENT ASSIZES > John Bishop was convicted of stealing divers tools from a certain building adjoining the dwelling house of John Stooke, the property of John Barton Stooke, There was another indictment against the prisoner for larceny, and the Judge, therefore, sentenced him to be transported for life." > > In the census I found John Barton STOOKE lived in Kingskerswell and he was a Timber Merchant. John BISHOP was a carpenter, he may have worked in the timber yard so he knew where the tools were kept. At the beginning of 1830 John was still living in Wolborough where he married 28 Aug1825 (a sojourner) and had two sons Richard (bap 12 Mar 1826) & William (bap 30 Jan 1830). William was buried there 2 Feb 1830. It is not far from Kingskerswell. > > I had decided he was probably my John Bishop but I wanted the final proof. I got to the stage of finding that record in the Tasmanian Archives but stopped to prepare lunch before going further. > > I always had doubts about whether the John baptised at Teigngrace in 1803 was my John BISHOP, as was suggested to me by a DFHS researcher in 1998, despite the matching naming patterns. I needed at least some idea of how old the John who married Maria was, now I have it. > > He was only 5 ft 3.75 in tall. At least one of his male grandchildren and several in the next two generations are 6 ft 3 in! > >> From his conduct record he was not a well behaved prisoner, and in it he has provided another puzzle to solve. He claims he has four children, I only know of the two children mentioned above. > > Best wishes from Diana > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To all folk following this query, West Teignmouth is now named Shaldon. Dennis Bramble.

Hi Dennis: On 30 Dec 2013, at 20:29, dennis bramble wrote: > To all folk following this query, West Teignmouth is now named Shaldon. When did this happen? Did this name change affect the parish boundaries. It is not reflected in Graham Jaunay's listing of Modern and Ancient parishes (where "Modern" means as of 1974) - see http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/DevonParishes.html Cheers Brian -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

Hi Mike That is interesting. Susanna SOPER is another one of my problem ancestors. She died 29 Mar 1845 age 77 so born 1767/8 but I know not where. Having had some success this week I am inspired to press on with more of my Devon families in the New Year. Best wishes from Diana On 30/12/2013, at 7:20 PM, Mike Steer <msteer@exemail.com.au> wrote: > Hi Diana: Both Soper and Pook are old Bovey Tracey names and Bovey is only > five or six miles from Wolborough, Mike. >