Hi Katherine Thanks for that. I spent the morning contemplating all the confusing details of this family after finding a report of his sentence. Tim Treeby suggested using the British Newspaper Archive indexes and then viewing on FMP, so I did a narrow date search of all newspapers and found the report of his sentencing in the Sherborne Mercury 28/03/1831: "DEVON LENT ASSIZES John Bishop was convicted of stealing divers tools from a certain building adjoining the dwelling house of John Stooke, the property of John Barton Stooke, There was another indictment against the prisoner for larceny, and the Judge, therefore, sentenced him to be transported for life." In the census I found John Barton STOOKE lived in Kingskerswell and he was a Timber Merchant. John BISHOP was a carpenter, he may have worked in the timber yard so he knew where the tools were kept. At the beginning of 1830 John was still living in Wolborough where he married 28 Aug1825 (a sojourner) and had two sons Richard (bap 12 Mar 1826) & William (bap 30 Jan 1830). William was buried there 2 Feb 1830. It is not far from Kingskerswell. I had decided he was probably my John Bishop but I wanted the final proof. I got to the stage of finding that record in the Tasmanian Archives but stopped to prepare lunch before going further. I always had doubts about whether the John baptised at Teigngrace in 1803 was my John BISHOP, as was suggested to me by a DFHS researcher in 1998, despite the matching naming patterns. I needed at least some idea of how old the John who married Maria was, now I have it. He was only 5 ft 3.75 in tall. At least one of his male grandchildren and several in the next two generations are 6 ft 3 in! >From his conduct record he was not a well behaved prisoner, and in it he has provided another puzzle to solve. He claims he has four children, I only know of the two children mentioned above. Best wishes from Diana On 29/12/2013, at 12:57 PM, Katherine McLeod <katherine.mcleod@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Diana, > > The Archives Office of Tasmania has the conduct record for the John > BISHOP transported on the Strathfieldsay, which says he was married with > 4 children, wife Maria at Newton Abbott. See it here: > > <http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON31-1-4,196,161,C,80> > > If that link doesn't work, try here: > > http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=C&id=5163 > > Then click on Conduct Record, then View this record online, and you'll > find him at the bottom of the page on Image 161. > > Other details also available through the appropriation and description > list links. You'll probably find him in other name indexes of the Tas > Archives too - there's an inquest which says very little other than that > he drowned. > > Cheers, > Katherine > > On 29/12/2013 2:21 AM, Diana Stevens wrote: >> Hi Joy >> >> Thanks for that, it certainly sounds like the one I found in the >> newspaper. I have not done any convict research for a long time and I >> did not know about that site. >> >> It is interesting that someone has added details of his death, I >> shall try to contact them. >> >> I still need a bit more information about him to convince me he is >> the right one. My John BISHOP was probably living in West Teignmouth >> as some years later this was his place of Settlement on the Removal >> Order for his 'son' John Oxford BISHOP as stated by his mother Maria >> GREENSLADE, though in fact JOB was illegitimate. >> >> Best wishes from Diana >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 28 Dec 2013, at 9:58 pm, Joy Langdon >>> <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Diana, >>> >>> Is this him? >>> http://www.convictrecords.com.au/convicts/bishop/john/118356 >>> >>> Joy >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ From: Diana Stevens >>> <diagramdiana@iinet.net.au> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, >>> 28 December 2013, 13:07 Subject: [DEV] John BISHOP convicted at >>> Exeter 1831 >>> >>> For years I have been trying to find out what happened to my >>> GG-Grandfather John BISHOP. He disappeared ca 1830-1831. >>> >>> I have now found in Woolmer's Exeter and Plymouth Gazette of 19 Mar >>> 1831 the Calendar for the Lent Assizes in Exeter which includes a >>> John BISHOP age 27 (he was bap 10 Apr 1803 at Teigngrace) accused >>> of burglary. >>> >>> I have also found the sentence/acquittal of 5 of the other 6 >>> burglars on the list in the E&PG of 26 Mar 1831 but not John. >>> >>> I have found him in a prison hulk, with a life sentence, convicted >>> at Exeter on 17 Mar 1831 of 'breaking into a house with tools'. >>> >>> I can't find him in any of the Australian Convict Indexes but of >>> course not all the prisoners on hulks were transported. Before I do >>> anything else I need to find where the crime took place so that I >>> can judge if he is my John. > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From the above subject which I came across by chance, I note the names of BARTON and STOOKE. >From my local history research the two families of BARTON & STOOKE were well entrenched at Kingskerswell, Devon. The BARTON family had two farms. My home is just round the corner from one of them at North Whilborough which is a hamlet in the parish. They intermarried with other leading families in the area and were prominent in local affairs. Do not confuse Whilborough with Wolborough which was mentioned in one reply. The latter parish is now part of the town of Newton Abbot. If I can help with Kingskerswell families, just email me. Dennis Bramble.

Hi Dennis If you happen to have the Kingskerswell PRs on hand maybe you could check for any BISHOP baptisms in the 1825-1831 time period. According to the Tasmanian Convict records John BISHOP's wife Maria was living at Newton Abbot (probably went home to Mum) and there were 4 children. I have only found 2 sons baptised in Wolborough one of whom died as an infant. Kingskerswell is a parish in the area where they lived. My only connection to the BARTON and STOOKE families is because my GG-Grandfather stole from John Barton STOOKE, a Timber Merchant who lived at Hilly (or Holly) House, Howe Lane, Kingskerswell, he was born at Coffinswell. Best wishes from Diana On 29/12/2013, at 5:57 PM, dennis bramble <d.bramble@mypostoffice.co.uk> wrote: >> From the above subject which I came across by chance, I note the names of > BARTON and STOOKE. > >> From my local history research the two families of BARTON & STOOKE were well > entrenched at Kingskerswell, Devon. > The BARTON family had two farms. My home is just round the corner from one > of them at North Whilborough which is a hamlet in the parish. They > intermarried with other leading families in the area and were prominent in > local affairs. > > Do not confuse Whilborough with Wolborough which was mentioned in one reply. > The latter parish is now part of the town of Newton Abbot. > > If I can help with Kingskerswell families, just email me. > > Dennis Bramble. > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you checked for baptisms before the marriage? There is a baptism at Wolborough 14 Aug 1824 William Soper Pook, mother Mary Pook.  There is a William Pook born c1826 in the same household as Maria in 1861 described as nephew.  Did Maria have a sister Mary?   Joy ________________________________ From: Diana Stevens <diagramdiana@iinet.net.au> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 29 December 2013, 8:05 Subject: Re: [DEV] John BISHOP convicted at Exeter 1831 Hi Katherine Thanks for that. I spent the morning contemplating all the confusing details of this family after finding a report of his sentence. Tim Treeby suggested using the British Newspaper Archive indexes and then viewing on FMP, so I did a narrow date search of all newspapers and found the report of his sentencing in the Sherborne Mercury 28/03/1831: "DEVON LENT ASSIZES     John Bishop was convicted of stealing divers tools from a certain building adjoining the dwelling house of John Stooke, the property of John Barton Stooke, There was another indictment against the prisoner for larceny, and the Judge, therefore, sentenced him to be transported for life." In the census I found John Barton STOOKE lived in Kingskerswell and he was a Timber Merchant. John BISHOP was a carpenter, he may have worked in the timber yard so he knew where the tools were kept. At the beginning of 1830 John was still living in Wolborough where he married 28 Aug1825 (a sojourner) and had two sons Richard (bap 12 Mar 1826) & William (bap 30 Jan 1830). William was buried there 2 Feb 1830. It is not far from Kingskerswell. I had decided he was probably my John Bishop but I wanted the final proof. I got to the stage of finding that record in the Tasmanian Archives but stopped to prepare lunch before going further. I always had doubts about whether the John baptised at Teigngrace  in 1803 was my John BISHOP, as was suggested to me by a DFHS researcher in 1998, despite the matching naming patterns. I needed at least some idea of how old the John who married Maria was, now I have it. He was only 5 ft 3.75 in tall. At least one of his male grandchildren and several in the next two generations are 6 ft 3 in! >From his conduct record he was not a well behaved prisoner, and in it he has provided another puzzle to solve. He claims he has four children, I only know of the two children mentioned above. Best wishes from Diana

Hello Diana, If you are having a problem with the name, Barton Stooke of Kingskerswell, I would suggest you check BARTER STOOKE. The Barters had two farms at Kingskerswell. One in the village and one at North Whilborough which is a hamlet in the parish of Kingskerswell. A marriage connected the two families at Kingskerswell. The Stooke family lived at Broadgate, a lovely house now demolished. Dennis Bramble.