Does anyone have any information on any of the above. They are mentioned on a requisition document for May 1643 during the Civil War. " XI die Maii 1643 The goods of Mr Thomas Carew of Studleigh w[hic]h were brought ?? by Captayne Halse his Troopers were these viz two hundred twenty & five Sheepe, Seaven & thirty Lambes, thirteen Oxen and Steers Sixe kyne Five heiffers of Fouer yeeres old Fouer yearelings deliverd unto ?? Robert Kydler and Peter Payne" More animals are listed on the other side of the paper; the last entry is £3 worth of "Stone Cole"; in all £350 worth. Studleigh (now Stoodleigh) is a village about 5 miles north of Tiverton. Were the soldiers Royalists or Parliamentarians? Thomas Carew was a Royalist, but I don't imagine this would have influenced Captain Halse. So if one of your ancestors came to Stoodleigh & took half our farming stock I'd like to hear from you! :-) Chris

Hi and many thanks for this interesting snippet . These substantial losses don`t seem to have troubled the Carews one bit . If you go to the National archives site , the Carews are bargaining and leasing and releasing and wheeler dealing land and property all though the war period . This is a maybe pre- bankruptcy note . Sounds as if someone is mid war , just collating what is Thomas Carew`s value . In 1655 I think the Parliamentarians were beginning to feel the draught under the door and maybe were taking stock of what was left in the Royalist coffers . Can`t find anything on Capt Halse or Peter Payne but they will have been local apparatchiks . DD/TB/36/105/1-2 Description: A particular of the lands of Thomas Carew of Riston in Stoodleigh with their value after deductions for taxes, repairs etc., with a particular of woods, timber, stock and household stuff. Date: c.1655 Held by:Somerset Heritage Centre (South West Heritage Trust), not available at The National Archives On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 2:21 PM Chris Whitehead <chris@coalole.eclipse.co.uk> wrote: > > Does anyone have any information on any of the above. They are mentioned on > a requisition document for May 1643 during the Civil War. > > " > XI die Maii 1643 > The goods of Mr Thomas Carew of Studleigh w[hic]h were brought ?? > by Captayne Halse his Troopers were these viz two hundred twenty > & five Sheepe, Seaven & thirty Lambes, thirteen Oxen and Steers > Sixe kyne Five heiffers of Fouer yeeres old Fouer yearelings > deliverd unto ?? Robert Kydler and Peter Payne" > > More animals are listed on the other side of the paper; the last entry is £3 > worth of "Stone Cole"; in all £350 worth. > > Studleigh (now Stoodleigh) is a village about 5 miles north of Tiverton. > Were the soldiers Royalists or Parliamentarians? > Thomas Carew was a Royalist, but I don't imagine this would have influenced > Captain Halse. > > > So if one of your ancestors came to Stoodleigh & took half our farming > stock I'd like to hear from you! :-) > > Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I think in 1643 Tiverton was in the hands of the Royalists. According to the link below " During the contest between Charles and the parliament, the townsmen were much divided; in 1643 they were for a time subject to the king, but in 1645 the republican forces effected the entire subjugation of the town, and the castle, church, and outworks were taken, together with the governor and 200 men." There s a blue paque at The White Horse Inn, Tiverton saying that in August 1643 John Lock, miller, was hung at the White Horse Inn by a troop of the King's Dragoons. https://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-dict/england/pp366-369a Can't help with Halse, Kydler and Payne. Joy ----Original message---- From : chris@coalole.eclipse.co.uk Date : 20/12/2018 - 14:21 (GMT) To : devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] HALSE, Robert KYDLER, Peter PAYNE, 1640's Does anyone have any information on any of the above. They are mentioned on a requisition document for May 1643 during the Civil War. " XI die Maii 1643 The goods of Mr Thomas Carew of Studleigh w[hic]h were brought ?? by Captayne Halse his Troopers were these viz two hundred twenty & five Sheepe, Seaven & thirty Lambes, thirteen Oxen and Steers Sixe kyne Five heiffers of Fouer yeeres old Fouer yearelings deliverd unto ?? Robert Kydler and Peter Payne" More animals are listed on the other side of the paper; the last entry is £3 worth of "Stone Cole"; in all £350 worth. Studleigh (now Stoodleigh) is a village about 5 miles north of Tiverton. Were the soldiers Royalists or Parliamentarians? Thomas Carew was a Royalist, but I don't imagine this would have influenced Captain Halse. So if one of your ancestors came to Stoodleigh & took half our farming stock I'd like to hear from you! :-) Chris _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Chris and anyone trace Peter PAYNE Peter PAYNE may have been a Butcher, there is a Peter Payne, Butcher in the 1685 Mayor's Court Roll Exeter. Although this Peter may have been a son/relative of the one you mention. Also Roll of Freeman 1715, John PAYNE is an apprentice to Peter PAYNE, Butcher 1727 Peter PAYNE, fish-hook maker, apprentice to Richard TEMPLER 1753 Peter PAYNE, son of Peter PAYNE, Fish-hook maker by succession 1790 Peter PAYNE, a Quaker of London, sadler, son of Peter PAYNE, Fish-hook maker, by succession Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Whitehead" <chris@coalole.eclipse.co.uk> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 12:21 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] HALSE, Robert KYDLER, Peter PAYNE, 1640's > Does anyone have any information on any of the above. They are mentioned > on a requisition document for May 1643 during the Civil War. > > " > XI die Maii 1643 > The goods of Mr Thomas Carew of Studleigh w[hic]h were brought ?? > by Captayne Halse his Troopers were these viz two hundred twenty > & five Sheepe, Seaven & thirty Lambes, thirteen Oxen and Steers > Sixe kyne Five heiffers of Fouer yeeres old Fouer yearelings > deliverd unto ?? Robert Kydler and Peter Payne" >

For anyone interested Capt. HALSE married Joan HARREIS Plymouth St Andrew 10 Dec 1643 Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Whitehead" <chris@coalole.eclipse.co.uk> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 12:21 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] HALSE, Robert KYDLER, Peter PAYNE, 1640's > Does anyone have any information on any of the above. They are mentioned > on a requisition document for May 1643 during the Civil War.

He was probably Parliamentarian then, Plymouth sided with the Parliamentarians and was besieged almost continuously from 1642 to 1646. When Charles 11 became king he clearly remembered this and built the Royal Citadel with the unusual feature that the guns could also fire on the town! Joy ----Original message---- From : beverley@yourisp.com.au Date : 20/12/2018 - 19:24 (GMT) To : devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] Re: HALSE, Robert KYDLER, Peter PAYNE, 1640's For anyone interested Capt. HALSE married Joan HARREIS Plymouth St Andrew 10 Dec 1643 Bev --------------------------------------------------

Dear Chris, Sorry to be so late in coming to your email. I have this detail from: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/no-series/cromwell-army-officers/surnames- h Thomas Halsey An officer in the West Country. The earliest references to Captain Thomas Halsey’s troop are from Feb. 1643. Peachey and Turton consider that the troop probably served in Exeter at the beginning of the war, and then was part of the retreat through Somerset to Lansdown and Roundway, and on to London, returning to Plymouth in Sept. Certainly thereafter Halsey served in Plymouth from then to 1645-6. He was a captain in the Plymouth garrison at the time of Prince Maurice’s siege, Sept.-Dec. 1643. By 26 Jan. 1644 he had been promoted major of horse. On 24 Jan. and 15 Mar. 1644 he led sorties out of the town against royalist positions. He was still in the garrison in 1645-6. References: Peachey and Turton, Fall of the West, 4.443-4; Worth, History of Plymouth, 110, 114-5, 134; Continuation. Armies: Devon. Best wishes, Chris. https://www.facebook.com/SJDPA/ http://feniton.blogspot.co.uk/ http://fenitonchurch.blogspot.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: Chris Whitehead <chris@coalole.eclipse.co.uk> Sent: 20 December 2018 14:21 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] HALSE, Robert KYDLER, Peter PAYNE, 1640's Does anyone have any information on any of the above. They are mentioned on a requisition document for May 1643 during the Civil War. " XI die Maii 1643 The goods of Mr Thomas Carew of Studleigh w[hic]h were brought ?? by Captayne Halse his Troopers were these viz two hundred twenty & five Sheepe, Seaven & thirty Lambes, thirteen Oxen and Steers Sixe kyne Five heiffers of Fouer yeeres old Fouer yearelings deliverd unto ?? Robert Kydler and Peter Payne" More animals are listed on the other side of the paper; the last entry is £3 worth of "Stone Cole"; in all £350 worth. Studleigh (now Stoodleigh) is a village about 5 miles north of Tiverton. Were the soldiers Royalists or Parliamentarians? Thomas Carew was a Royalist, but I don't imagine this would have influenced Captain Halse. So if one of your ancestors came to Stoodleigh & took half our farming stock I'd like to hear from you! :-) Chris

And this chap mentioned in Cromwell's officers as well [copy/paste] Gould, William William Gould (1615-44) Eldest son of William Gould (died 1635) and his wife Alice, daughter of Robert Taylor of Pinhoe, Devon. He married Anne (died 1642), daughter of John Browne of Frampton, Dorset, in 1637/8. Gould originally was captain of a company in Sir John Bampfylde's regiment of foot, which was transferred to Captain Robert Bennet. On 26 Apr. 1643 Gould's troop was present at the battle of Sourton Down, where it played a leading part in the victory. In May he succeeded George Chudleigh as head of the Devon horse following the latter's resignation. Thereafter records consistently call him colonel. He led the Devon horse as it retreated through Somerset, where it joined Waller's army. On 21 Sept. 1643 Gould brought 500 or 600 men to Plymouth on 21 Sept. 1643, 150 of whom were immediately mounted. Peachey and Turton consider that they were evidently the remains of the West Country horse which had been at Roundway Down, 13 July. The foot were described as poor little boys. Gould was appointed governor of Plymouth in late Jan. 1644, but died on 27 Mar., although there is a discrepancy in the date recorded for his burial of 9 July. Stephen Midhope, delivering his funeral sermon, praised the 'the person and spirit of Colonell Gould to stand for the publique cause of religion, lawes and liberties'. Both Midhope and the author of a newsletter of events in Plymouth praised his puritan activism. The former described him as 'impartially active in punishing malignants against the case of Christ, therein another Moses', whilst the latter recorded that, 'Colonel Gould hath much purged the Garrison, from swearers, drunkards and abominable livers, causing the town and garrison to be very carefull in observing the Lords day, daies of humiliation, and to be frequently present at the ordinances of the Lord of Hosts' (Continuation, 9). References: Vis. Devon, 421-2; Peachey and Turton, Fall of the West, 4.440-2, 3.360; Worth, History of Plymouth, 110-1; Cotton, Barnstaple, 155. Armies: Devon -------------------------------------------------- From: <cmgibbins9@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 10:32 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Re: HALSE, Robert KYDLER, Peter PAYNE, 1640's > Dear Chris, > > Sorry to be so late in coming to your email. > > I have this detail from: > > https://www.british-history.ac.uk/no-series/cromwell-army-officers/surnames- > h > > Thomas Halsey > An officer in the West Country. The earliest references to Captain Thomas > Halsey's troop are from Feb. 1643. Peachey and Turton consider that the > troop probably served in Exeter at the beginning of the war, and then was > part of the retreat through Somerset to Lansdown and Roundway, and on to > London, returning to Plymouth in Sept. Certainly thereafter Halsey served > in > Plymouth from then to 1645-6. He was a captain in the Plymouth garrison at > the time of Prince Maurice's siege, Sept.-Dec. 1643. By 26 Jan. 1644 he > had > been promoted major of horse. On 24 Jan. and 15 Mar. 1644 he led sorties > out > of the town against royalist positions. He was still in the garrison in > 1645-6. > References: Peachey and Turton, Fall of the West, 4.443-4; Worth, History > of > Plymouth, 110, 114-5, 134; Continuation. Armies: Devon. >

And I believe he's commemorated on the civil war memorial in Freedom Fields Park (so called after the defeat of the French in 1403) in Plymouth. Jane Gould (formerly of Plymouth, but not related!) ----Original Message----- From: B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> Sent: 07 January 2019 02:52 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Re: William GOULD 1615 And this chap mentioned in Cromwell's officers as well [copy/paste] Gould, William William Gould (1615-44) Eldest son of William Gould (died 1635) and his wife Alice, daughter of Robert Taylor of Pinhoe, Devon. He married Anne (died 1642), daughter of John Browne of Frampton, Dorset, in 1637/8. Gould originally was captain of a company in Sir John Bampfylde's regiment of foot, which was transferred to Captain Robert Bennet. On 26 Apr. 1643 Gould's troop was present at the battle of Sourton Down, where it played a leading part in the victory. In May he succeeded George Chudleigh as head of the Devon horse following the latter's resignation. Thereafter records consistently call him colonel. He led the Devon horse as it retreated through Somerset, where it joined Waller's army. On 21 Sept. 1643 Gould brought 500 or 600 men to Plymouth on 21 Sept. 1643, 150 of whom were immediately mounted. Peachey and Turton consider that they were evidently the remains of the West Country horse which had been at Roundway Down, 13 July. The foot were described as poor little boys. Gould was appointed governor of Plymouth in late Jan. 1644, but died on 27 Mar., although there is a discrepancy in the date recorded for his burial of 9 July. Stephen Midhope, delivering his funeral sermon, praised the 'the person and spirit of Colonell Gould to stand for the publique cause of religion, lawes and liberties'. Both Midhope and the author of a newsletter of events in Plymouth praised his puritan activism. The former described him as 'impartially active in punishing malignants against the case of Christ, therein another Moses', whilst the latter recorded that, 'Colonel Gould hath much purged the Garrison, from swearers, drunkards and abominable livers, causing the town and garrison to be very carefull in observing the Lords day, daies of humiliation, and to be frequently present at the ordinances of the Lord of Hosts' (Continuation, 9). References: Vis. Devon, 421-2; Peachey and Turton, Fall of the West, 4.440-2, 3.360; Worth, History of Plymouth, 110-1; Cotton, Barnstaple, 155. Armies: Devon -------------------------------------------------- From: <cmgibbins9@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 10:32 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Re: HALSE, Robert KYDLER, Peter PAYNE, 1640's > Dear Chris, > > Sorry to be so late in coming to your email. > > I have this detail from: > > https://www.british-history.ac.uk/no-series/cromwell-army-officers/sur > names- > h > > Thomas Halsey > An officer in the West Country. The earliest references to Captain > Thomas Halsey's troop are from Feb. 1643. Peachey and Turton consider > that the troop probably served in Exeter at the beginning of the war, > and then was part of the retreat through Somerset to Lansdown and > Roundway, and on to London, returning to Plymouth in Sept. Certainly > thereafter Halsey served in Plymouth from then to 1645-6. He was a > captain in the Plymouth garrison at the time of Prince Maurice's > siege, Sept.-Dec. 1643. By 26 Jan. 1644 he had been promoted major of > horse. On 24 Jan. and 15 Mar. 1644 he led sorties out of the town > against royalist positions. He was still in the garrison in 1645-6. > References: Peachey and Turton, Fall of the West, 4.443-4; Worth, > History of Plymouth, 110, 114-5, 134; Continuation. Armies: Devon. > _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community