Boy! what a complicated family this turns out to be. Any wonder I have had so many problems, but finally I think I have cracked it thanks to Familysearch. First... Prothesa Lucy's G's brother Nicholas Frederick marries Emma Elizabeth VEALE and had 4 children in England He [Nicholas] and wife Louisa [D] have by 1901 3 children, but another, Ruby turns up c 1903, then they immigrate after 1903 . For Ruby in 1911 it says born 1903 England [cannot find her yet in GRO, but must try harder] Daughter Ivy born 1894 dies in Toronto 1906 Joseph Willcocks [Wilcox] GILLARD marries a Louisa DYMENT [DIAMOND] [do not know where/when or even if] also born England and have 2 daughter's Grace and Daisy. In 1911 Louisa is on her own with Grace and Daisy, so where is husband Joseph? I spot a Joseph W. Gillard with a wife Emma and children Percy, Walter and Ruby c 1903. I give them a miss because Joseph has a wife Louisa [it says so on his death entry with a sister in law Emma who is the informant. [ At this point I have not woken up] It turns out folks that after Nicholas Frederick G. dies in 1906 dear old Joseph W. GILLARD sets up house with his brother Nicholas's wife Emma Elizabeth [Nee VEALE] and his buried with her in Toronto along with her daughter Ruby and husband and also son Walter all named on same tombstone. This Emma was the Informant, and who was with Joseph in 1911, I could now go back and find the family again and put them all back in place. Joseph's wife Louisa DYMENT/DIAMOND is buried 1944 with daughters Grace and Daisy all on same tombstone. Still need to find where in England she [Louisa DIMOND]comes from. So far the most likely candidate is Lucy DIMOND born Stokenham 1867 d/o William & Betsy Does anyone have her please? Regards Bev

Hi Bev,     Definitely something weird went on with this family. 1911 Canada Census for Louisa GILLARD nee DYMENT gives status as LS (Legally Seperated) 1905 Emmigration/Immigration shows Joseph W GILARD, Emma GILLARD, with Ivy, Percy, Walter and Rose, all travelling together. Have found a marriage for Joseph W GILLARD  age 21 to a Louisa DYMENT  age 23 in 1886 in Toronto. Parents for Joseph W are (Nicholas and Louisa), for Louisa they are (George and D?) Tim Treeby DFHS : 13926 On 01/12/2018 03:14, B. Edmonds wrote: > Boy! what a complicated family this turns out to be. Any wonder I have > had so many problems, but finally I think I have cracked it thanks to > Familysearch. > > First... Prothesa Lucy's G's brother Nicholas Frederick marries Emma > Elizabeth VEALE and had 4 children in England > > He [Nicholas] and wife Louisa [D] have by 1901 3 children, but > another, Ruby turns up c 1903, then they immigrate after 1903 . > For Ruby  in 1911 it says born 1903 England [cannot find her yet in > GRO, but must try harder] > Daughter Ivy born 1894 dies in Toronto 1906 > > Joseph Willcocks [Wilcox] GILLARD marries a Louisa DYMENT [DIAMOND] > [do not know where/when or even if] also born England and have 2 > daughter's Grace and Daisy. > > In 1911 Louisa is on her own with Grace and Daisy, so where is husband > Joseph? > > I spot a Joseph W. Gillard with a wife Emma and children  Percy, > Walter and Ruby c 1903. I give them a miss because Joseph has a wife > Louisa [it says so on his death entry with a sister in law Emma who is > the informant. [ At this point I have not woken up] > > It turns out folks that after Nicholas Frederick G. dies in 1906 dear > old Joseph W. GILLARD sets up house  with his brother Nicholas's wife > Emma Elizabeth [Nee VEALE] and his buried with her in Toronto along > with her daughter Ruby and husband and also son Walter all named on > same tombstone. > This Emma was the Informant, and who was with Joseph in 1911,  I could > now go back and find the family again and put them all back in place. > > Joseph's wife Louisa DYMENT/DIAMOND is buried 1944 with daughters > Grace and Daisy all on same tombstone. > Still need to find where in England she [Louisa DIMOND]comes from. > So far the most likely candidate is Lucy DIMOND born Stokenham 1867 > d/o William & Betsy > Does anyone have her please? > > Regards > Bev --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Tim Thanks for this, all very intriguing that's for sure, but I need all the help I can get to try and sort the mess. I wonder if this Joseph W. Gillard is a different family. Looks like I am no closer to getting them sorted after all. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Treeby (Genealogy)" <genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 11:11 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Re: Gillard family in Canada > Hi Bev, > Definitely something weird went on with this family. > > 1911 Canada Census for Louisa GILLARD nee DYMENT gives status as LS > (Legally Seperated) > > 1905 Emmigration/Immigration shows Joseph W GILARD, Emma GILLARD, with > Ivy, Percy, Walter and Rose, all travelling together. > > Have found a marriage for Joseph W GILLARD age 21 to a Louisa DYMENT age > 23 in 1886 in Toronto. Parents for Joseph W are (Nicholas and Louisa), for > Louisa they are (George and D?) > > Tim Treeby > DFHS : 13926 > > On 01/12/2018 03:14, B. Edmonds wrote: >> Boy! what a complicated family this turns out to be. Any wonder I have >> had so many problems, but finally I think I have cracked it thanks to >> Familysearch. >> >> First... Prothesa Lucy's G's brother Nicholas Frederick marries Emma >> Elizabeth VEALE and had 4 children in England >> >> He [Nicholas] and wife Louisa [D] have by 1901 3 children, but another, >> Ruby turns up c 1903, then they immigrate after 1903 . >> For Ruby in 1911 it says born 1903 England [cannot find her yet in GRO, >> but must try harder] >> Daughter Ivy born 1894 dies in Toronto 1906 >> >> Joseph Willcocks [Wilcox] GILLARD marries a Louisa DYMENT [DIAMOND] [do >> not know where/when or even if] also born England and have 2 daughter's >> Grace and Daisy. >> >> In 1911 Louisa is on her own with Grace and Daisy, so where is husband >> Joseph? >> >> I spot a Joseph W. Gillard with a wife Emma and children Percy, Walter >> and Ruby c 1903. I give them a miss because Joseph has a wife Louisa [it >> says so on his death entry with a sister in law Emma who is the >> informant. [ At this point I have not woken up] >> >> It turns out folks that after Nicholas Frederick G. dies in 1906 dear old >> Joseph W. GILLARD sets up house with his brother Nicholas's wife Emma >> Elizabeth [Nee VEALE] and his buried with her in Toronto along with her >> daughter Ruby and husband and also son Walter all named on same >> tombstone. >> This Emma was the Informant, and who was with Joseph in 1911, I could >> now go back and find the family again and put them all back in place. >> >> Joseph's wife Louisa DYMENT/DIAMOND is buried 1944 with daughters Grace >> and Daisy all on same tombstone. >> Still need to find where in England she [Louisa DIMOND]comes from. >> So far the most likely candidate is Lucy DIMOND born Stokenham 1867 d/o >> William & Betsy >> Does anyone have her please? >> >> Regards >> Bev > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Sometimes when folks came to the "New World" they did a bit of trading around, especially in a new neighborhood and not in their old haunts where everybody knew everybody. It sounds like Joseph may have had his eye on Nicholas' wife for a while. In some cases they just took off for the West and started over again without benefit of divorce. I would put them all in a chart along with where they are buried and any other geographical info and you may start to sort it out. Caren -----Original Message----- From: B. Edmonds [mailto:beverley@yourisp.com.au] Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 2:18 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Re: Gillard family in Canada Hi Tim Thanks for this, all very intriguing that's for sure, but I need all the help I can get to try and sort the mess. I wonder if this Joseph W. Gillard is a different family. Looks like I am no closer to getting them sorted after all. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Treeby (Genealogy)" <genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 11:11 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Re: Gillard family in Canada > Hi Bev, > Definitely something weird went on with this family. > > 1911 Canada Census for Louisa GILLARD nee DYMENT gives status as LS > (Legally Seperated) > > 1905 Emmigration/Immigration shows Joseph W GILARD, Emma GILLARD, with > Ivy, Percy, Walter and Rose, all travelling together. > > Have found a marriage for Joseph W GILLARD age 21 to a Louisa DYMENT age > 23 in 1886 in Toronto. Parents for Joseph W are (Nicholas and Louisa), for > Louisa they are (George and D?) > > Tim Treeby > DFHS : 13926 > > On 01/12/2018 03:14, B. Edmonds wrote: >> Boy! what a complicated family this turns out to be. Any wonder I have >> had so many problems, but finally I think I have cracked it thanks to >> Familysearch. >> >> First... Prothesa Lucy's G's brother Nicholas Frederick marries Emma >> Elizabeth VEALE and had 4 children in England >> >> He [Nicholas] and wife Louisa [D] have by 1901 3 children, but another, >> Ruby turns up c 1903, then they immigrate after 1903 . >> For Ruby in 1911 it says born 1903 England [cannot find her yet in GRO, >> but must try harder] >> Daughter Ivy born 1894 dies in Toronto 1906 >> >> Joseph Willcocks [Wilcox] GILLARD marries a Louisa DYMENT [DIAMOND] [do >> not know where/when or even if] also born England and have 2 daughter's >> Grace and Daisy. >> >> In 1911 Louisa is on her own with Grace and Daisy, so where is husband >> Joseph? >> >> I spot a Joseph W. Gillard with a wife Emma and children Percy, Walter >> and Ruby c 1903. I give them a miss because Joseph has a wife Louisa [it >> says so on his death entry with a sister in law Emma who is the >> informant. [ At this point I have not woken up] >> >> It turns out folks that after Nicholas Frederick G. dies in 1906 dear old >> Joseph W. GILLARD sets up house with his brother Nicholas's wife Emma >> Elizabeth [Nee VEALE] and his buried with her in Toronto along with her >> daughter Ruby and husband and also son Walter all named on same >> tombstone. >> This Emma was the Informant, and who was with Joseph in 1911, I could >> now go back and find the family again and put them all back in place. >> >> Joseph's wife Louisa DYMENT/DIAMOND is buried 1944 with daughters Grace >> and Daisy all on same tombstone. >> Still need to find where in England she [Louisa DIMOND]comes from. >> So far the most likely candidate is Lucy DIMOND born Stokenham 1867 d/o >> William & Betsy >> Does anyone have her please? >> >> Regards >> Bev > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Caren I already have copious amounts of paperwork, all shuffled around, entries crossed out etc. Will eventually sort it all. And I agree, new country, new life, with no questions asked. Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Caren Wilcox" <carenwilco@starpower.net> Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2018 11:05 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Re: Gillard family in Canada > Sometimes when folks came to the "New World" they did a bit of trading > around, especially in a new neighborhood and not in their old haunts where > everybody knew everybody. It sounds like Joseph may have had his eye on > Nicholas' wife for a while. In some cases they just took off for the West

Hi Tim & all, In which case, Nicholas F. G. the husband of Emma [Veale] must have been separated before 1905 if Joseph and Emma and her children are immigrating together in 1905. I have Nicholas last in 1901 and he seems to now have disappeared. I thought I had a death for him in 1906, but I do not think that is correct, trouble is I cannot find that entry again, probably on a scrap of paper somewhere. If Joseph W. GILLARD married Louisa DYMENT in 1886, then one would think that more children might be found for this couple besides Daisy 1900 and Grace 1896. And there is George Harold Gillard 1887 and two more daughters. Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Treeby (Genealogy)" <genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 11:11 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Re: Gillard family in Canada > Hi Bev, > Definitely something weird went on with this family. > > 1911 Canada Census for Louisa GILLARD nee DYMENT gives status as LS > (Legally Seperated) > > 1905 Emmigration/Immigration shows Joseph W GILARD, Emma GILLARD, with > Ivy, Percy, Walter and Rose, all travelling together. > > Have found a marriage for Joseph W GILLARD age 21 to a Louisa DYMENT age > 23 in 1886 in Toronto. Parents for Joseph W are (Nicholas and Louisa), for > Louisa they are (George and D?) > > Tim Treeby > DFHS : 13926 >

Hi Bev I've just picked up on this thread so apologies for coming in a bit late. Joseph Wilcox Gillard b 1867 shows up on my tree as my 2nd cousin 3x removed. I believe his mother was Louisa Couch b 1835 (I am still in touch with a member of the Couch family). I have no succession for Joseph so your efforts together with Tim will be very helpful. Please let me know if you would like my "Back Catalogue" on the family? I will keep in touch anyway as I try to digest the new information. Regards Jim Robbens -----Original Message----- From: B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> Sent: 01 December 2018 03:14 To: devon@rootsweb.com; eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Gillard family in Canada Boy! what a complicated family this turns out to be. Any wonder I have had so many problems, but finally I think I have cracked it thanks to Familysearch. First... Prothesa Lucy's G's brother Nicholas Frederick marries Emma Elizabeth VEALE and had 4 children in England He [Nicholas] and wife Louisa [D] have by 1901 3 children, but another, Ruby turns up c 1903, then they immigrate after 1903 . For Ruby in 1911 it says born 1903 England [cannot find her yet in GRO, but must try harder] Daughter Ivy born 1894 dies in Toronto 1906 Joseph Willcocks [Wilcox] GILLARD marries a Louisa DYMENT [DIAMOND] [do not know where/when or even if] also born England and have 2 daughter's Grace and Daisy. In 1911 Louisa is on her own with Grace and Daisy, so where is husband Joseph? I spot a Joseph W. Gillard with a wife Emma and children Percy, Walter and Ruby c 1903. I give them a miss because Joseph has a wife Louisa [it says so on his death entry with a sister in law Emma who is the informant. [ At this point I have not woken up] It turns out folks that after Nicholas Frederick G. dies in 1906 dear old Joseph W. GILLARD sets up house with his brother Nicholas's wife Emma Elizabeth [Nee VEALE] and his buried with her in Toronto along with her daughter Ruby and husband and also son Walter all named on same tombstone. This Emma was the Informant, and who was with Joseph in 1911, I could now go back and find the family again and put them all back in place. Joseph's wife Louisa DYMENT/DIAMOND is buried 1944 with daughters Grace and Daisy all on same tombstone. Still need to find where in England she [Louisa DIMOND]comes from. So far the most likely candidate is Lucy DIMOND born Stokenham 1867 d/o William & Betsy Does anyone have her please? Regards Bev _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hello Jim, At least you have a closer relationship, I am so far out that I am beginning to wonder why I am bothering, but hey! What better way to spent a very hot day slaving over a computer: ) I do not think I need to delve deeper here Jim, but thanks. Just hope that we can sort Joseph W. GILLARD. Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Robbens" <jameshrobbens@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 11:39 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com>; <eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com> Cc: <tedrobbens@yahoo.co.uk>; <georgina360@btinternet.com> Subject: [DEV] Re: Gillard family in Canada > Hi Bev > > I've just picked up on this thread so apologies for coming in a bit late. > Joseph Wilcox Gillard b 1867 shows up on my tree as my 2nd cousin 3x > removed. I believe his mother was Louisa Couch b 1835 (I am still in touch > with a member of the Couch family). I have no succession for Joseph so > your > efforts together with Tim will be very helpful. Please let me know if you > would like my "Back Catalogue" on the family? I will keep in touch anyway > as I try to digest the new information. > > Regards > > Jim Robbens > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > Sent: 01 December 2018 03:14 > To: devon@rootsweb.com; eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Gillard family in Canada > > Boy! what a complicated family this turns out to be. Any wonder I have had > so many problems, but finally I think I have cracked it thanks to > Familysearch. > > First... Prothesa Lucy's G's brother Nicholas Frederick marries Emma > Elizabeth VEALE and had 4 children in England > > He [Nicholas] and wife Louisa [D] have by 1901 3 children, but another, > Ruby > turns up c 1903, then they immigrate after 1903 . > For Ruby in 1911 it says born 1903 England [cannot find her yet in GRO, > but > must try harder] Daughter Ivy born 1894 dies in Toronto 1906 > > Joseph Willcocks [Wilcox] GILLARD marries a Louisa DYMENT [DIAMOND] [do > not > know where/when or even if] also born England and have 2 daughter's Grace > and Daisy. > > In 1911 Louisa is on her own with Grace and Daisy, so where is husband > Joseph? > > I spot a Joseph W. Gillard with a wife Emma and children Percy, Walter > and > Ruby c 1903. I give them a miss because Joseph has a wife Louisa [it says > so > on his death entry with a sister in law Emma who is the informant. [ At > this > point I have not woken up] > > It turns out folks that after Nicholas Frederick G. dies in 1906 dear old > Joseph W. GILLARD sets up house with his brother Nicholas's wife Emma > Elizabeth [Nee VEALE] and his buried with her in Toronto along with her > daughter Ruby and husband and also son Walter all named on same tombstone. > This Emma was the Informant, and who was with Joseph in 1911, I could now > go back and find the family again and put them all back in place. > > Joseph's wife Louisa DYMENT/DIAMOND is buried 1944 with daughters Grace > and > Daisy all on same tombstone. > Still need to find where in England she [Louisa DIMOND]comes from. > So far the most likely candidate is Lucy DIMOND born Stokenham 1867 d/o > William & Betsy Does anyone have her please? > > Regards > Bev > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is > funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community