Joy, many thanks for your reply and thinking Hugh could be a Gransdson! Something I hadn't thought of. A closer look at the 1851 census and I believe Hugh was 21! so ties in nicely with a Baptism in Black Torrington, 15 September 1820. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "elizabeth howard" <elizgh@btinternet.com> To: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com>; <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 10:59 AM Subject: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns > Hi Joy, Hugh Johns , aged 2, labourer, with mother Anney > aged 74........hmmm????? > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns > > > On the 1851 census there is a Hugh Johns aged 2, born Black Torrington, > Labourer, living at Village, Black Torrington with mother Anney aged 74, > Cordwinder's widow and sister Elizabeth aged 55 born Black Torrington and > brother Joseph aged 30 born Beaworthy. > > In 1841 the same children are with mother Ann and father Francis. Ann > would > have been in her early 50s at Hugh's birth, not impossible but I wonder if > Hugh was actually a grandson - illegitimate children were sometimes > brought > up as their grandparent's children. Hugh is a name that appeared in this > family (see below). There are several David Vallances in the 1841 census. > They seem to be located in the Northlew area so that may be a place to > look > for a baptism. > > Francis Johns married Ann Risdon at Black Torrington 30 Mar 1800. > > Francis and Ann baptised the following children in Black Torrington: > Francis Risdon Johns 24 Jun 1815 > John Johns 03 Mar 1817 > Hugh Johns 15 Sep 1820 (buried 1826) > Joseph Johns 30 Mar 1823 > > The long gap between the marriage and the baptism of Francis in 1815 > suggests they may have been baptising children somewhere else before then. > > A single mother Ann Johns baptised a son John Francis Johns at Black > Torrington 17 Sep 1834 (buried 1836). > > There are OPCs for Black Torrington and Beaworthy. > > Joy > > > > ________________________________ > From: Roy E Drew <r.drew893@btinternet.com> > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, 3 February 2014, 17:52 > Subject: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns > > > I have the marriage certificate for: > Hugh David Vallance Johns & Susannah Wooldridge, who married 7 November > 1856, Halwill PC by Banns > > HDV Johns was of Full Age, Bachelor, Labourer, of Chillah, Father was > David > Vallance, Farmer > Susannah Wooldridge was of Full Age, Spinster, of Halwill Moor, Father > James > Wooldridge, Labourer > Witnesses were Grace Wooldridge > & James Luxton. > > Chillah I believe is a place in Black Torrington. > Susanna was the daughter of James Wooldridge and Susanna Evely from > Northlew. I know about the Evely's and have them in various census. > > Hugh and Susanna had a daughter Harriet Ann Johns (1857, Halwill) who is > with her Grandparents James & Susanna in 1861 census. > > Hugh is in 1861 Census at Strews Upcott, Halwill (RG9/1509 F56 P6) age 29, > Widower, born Beaworthy > Hugh is in 1871/1881/1891/1901 where he is married to Sarah > (Brayley/Brealy) > born ca 1845, Sydenham Damerall and family. > > Does anyone know where I can find Hugh and any of his family before he > married in 1856? > Who were Hugh's parents and in particular his mother? > Why does he give his name as Johns and his father as Vallance? > > Roy > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message