Hi Roy, Normally I would suggest that if Father's name different on MC then he would of been illegitimate. But the only Hugh Johns that I can see on 1841/1851 Census who would be of right age and POB is a Hugh Johns son of Francis and Ann. Black Torrington given as his POB and born abt 1830. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 On 03/02/2014 17:52, Roy E Drew wrote: > I have the marriage certificate for: > Hugh David Vallance Johns& Susannah Wooldridge, who married 7 November 1856, Halwill PC by Banns > > HDV Johns was of Full Age, Bachelor, Labourer, of Chillah, Father was David Vallance, Farmer > Susannah Wooldridge was of Full Age, Spinster, of Halwill Moor, Father James Wooldridge, Labourer > Witnesses were Grace Wooldridge& James Luxton. > > Chillah I believe is a place in Black Torrington. > Susanna was the daughter of James Wooldridge and Susanna Evely from Northlew. I know about the Evely's and have them in various census. > > Hugh and Susanna had a daughter Harriet Ann Johns (1857, Halwill) who is with her Grandparents James& Susanna in 1861 census. > > Hugh is in 1861 Census at Strews Upcott, Halwill (RG9/1509 F56 P6) age 29, Widower, born Beaworthy > Hugh is in 1871/1881/1891/1901 where he is married to Sarah (Brayley/Brealy) born ca 1845, Sydenham Damerall and family. > > Does anyone know where I can find Hugh and any of his family before he married in 1856? > Who were Hugh's parents and in particular his mother? > Why does he give his name as Johns and his father as Vallance? > > Roy >

Many thanks to Andy Nelson, Liz Davdson, Bev Edmonds & Tim for their responses. Andy, yes I found the marriage for HDV to Sarah Brayley/Brealy and subsequent children from their marriage. Tim, I've ruled out Hugh's parents as Francis & Ann (nee Risdon). There is a Baptism on IGI for him of 15 September 1820, Black Torrington. I believe the one I'm looking for came from Beaworthy, although there is no Baptism for him there. Bev, Yes it was a lot of names to write but, can that be a reason to make a mistake. Thanks to everyone, one day something will surface. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Treeby (Genealogy)" <genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns > Hi Roy, > Normally I would suggest that if Father's name different on MC then > he would of been illegitimate. > But the only Hugh Johns that I can see on 1841/1851 Census who would be > of right age and POB is a Hugh Johns son of Francis and Ann. > Black Torrington given as his POB and born abt 1830. > > Tim Treeby > DFHS 13926 > > On 03/02/2014 17:52, Roy E Drew wrote: >> I have the marriage certificate for: >> Hugh David Vallance Johns& Susannah Wooldridge, who married 7 November >> 1856, Halwill PC by Banns >> >> HDV Johns was of Full Age, Bachelor, Labourer, of Chillah, Father was >> David Vallance, Farmer >> Susannah Wooldridge was of Full Age, Spinster, of Halwill Moor, Father >> James Wooldridge, Labourer >> Witnesses were Grace Wooldridge& James Luxton. >> >> Chillah I believe is a place in Black Torrington. >> Susanna was the daughter of James Wooldridge and Susanna Evely from >> Northlew. I know about the Evely's and have them in various census. >> >> Hugh and Susanna had a daughter Harriet Ann Johns (1857, Halwill) who is >> with her Grandparents James& Susanna in 1861 census. >> >> Hugh is in 1861 Census at Strews Upcott, Halwill (RG9/1509 F56 P6) age >> 29, Widower, born Beaworthy >> Hugh is in 1871/1881/1891/1901 where he is married to Sarah >> (Brayley/Brealy) born ca 1845, Sydenham Damerall and family. >> >> Does anyone know where I can find Hugh and any of his family before he >> married in 1856? >> Who were Hugh's parents and in particular his mother? >> Why does he give his name as Johns and his father as Vallance? >> >> Roy >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Roy,   There is a burial at Black Torrington 30 oct 1826 of Hugh JOHNS age 5 which I think is the one born 1820.    Joy ________________________________ From: Roy E Drew <r.drew893@btinternet.com> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2014, 11:16 Subject: Re: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns Many thanks to Andy Nelson, Liz Davdson, Bev Edmonds & Tim for their responses. Andy, yes I found the marriage for HDV to Sarah Brayley/Brealy and subsequent children from their marriage. Tim, I've ruled out Hugh's parents as Francis & Ann (nee Risdon). There is a Baptism on IGI for him of 15 September 1820, Black Torrington. I believe the one I'm looking for came from Beaworthy, although there is no Baptism for him there. Bev, Yes it was a lot of names to write but, can that be a reason to make a mistake. Thanks to everyone, one day something will surface. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Treeby (Genealogy)" <genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns > Hi Roy, >    Normally I would suggest that if Father's name different on MC then > he would of been illegitimate. > But the only Hugh Johns that I can see on 1841/1851 Census who would be > of right age and POB is a Hugh Johns son of Francis and Ann. > Black Torrington given as his POB and born abt 1830. > > Tim Treeby > DFHS 13926 > > On 03/02/2014 17:52, Roy E Drew wrote: >> I have the marriage certificate for: >> Hugh David Vallance Johns&  Susannah Wooldridge, who married 7 November >> 1856, Halwill PC by Banns >> >> HDV Johns was of Full Age, Bachelor, Labourer, of Chillah, Father was >> David Vallance, Farmer >> Susannah Wooldridge was of Full Age, Spinster, of Halwill Moor, Father >> James Wooldridge, Labourer >> Witnesses were Grace Wooldridge&  James Luxton. >> >> Chillah I believe is a place in Black Torrington. >> Susanna was the daughter of James Wooldridge and Susanna Evely from >> Northlew. I know about the Evely's and have them in various census. >> >> Hugh and Susanna had a daughter Harriet Ann Johns (1857, Halwill) who is >> with her Grandparents James&  Susanna in 1861 census. >> >> Hugh is in 1861 Census at Strews Upcott, Halwill (RG9/1509 F56 P6) age >> 29, Widower, born Beaworthy >> Hugh is in 1871/1881/1891/1901 where he is married to Sarah >> (Brayley/Brealy) born ca 1845, Sydenham Damerall and family. >> >> Does anyone know where I can find Hugh and any of his family before he >> married in 1856? >> Who were Hugh's parents and in particular his mother? >> Why does he give his name as Johns and his father as Vallance? >> >> Roy >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message