Inspried by Gail Pullybank's email about "Crowd Sourcing" and with something of a similar query, I would like to pick up on the statement by one of the researcher's comments, hired by Gail, "They said that a girl would not come to Devon on her own so must be with family ...." My great grandmother's maiden name appears as Eroty / Erotti / Eruth on her two marriage certificates. She first appears in the 1881 census with a daughter, Sarah under her "first" married name of GRIMES - no husband, but he is there in 1891 and more of their children. Widowed, she marries again to George WILLIAMS and has more children by him. Each Census states her birth place as London. I have never been able to find any name similar to the EROTY variants to enable me to follow through on her birth family. However, I do have a marriage for a Hannah SMITH, married to a Joseph EROLI. I find Hannah, who became Annie, just like my own EROTY woman - her first marriage cert states Hannah, then she became Annie (not unusual ) Annie EROLY spent some time in the Clerkenwell Workhouse with her two children, Sarah and Elizabeth and the latter later died there. Annie EROLY does not appear in any Census under that name. So, was Hannah SMITH, later to become Annie EROLY then appears in Plymouth with surviving daughter, Sarah (first born) (I have all the certs.) really Annie EROTY? Regardless of whether she was SMITH or EROLY / EROTY - how would she have made her way to Plymouth, then convince William GRIMES to marry her, with one child already, then not appear in the census with her - which looks like she is stated as a "widow". Back he comes to have more children. A professional researcher says Hannah / Annie SMITH was really my Hannah / Annie EROTY: this means great grandma married three times, possibly the second and third marriage illegally. Talk about tangled webs we weave etc., etc., Any thought please on how the journey from London to Plymouth would have been made - and why? No family down there before that. Diane - Western Australia.

Hi, this is part 2 , as FMP has the image of the 1876 marriage in St Peter Plymouth of Wm Grimes and Hannah Eroty..........her father is Joseph Eroty musician. the witnesses are J Summers and Sarah Marshall. Hannah marks X and her written name is Hannah ERaty, ( as written) so was she Hannah E Raty ? however Joseph Eroty , musician , is clearly Eroty. Were they Italian ? French ? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Foster" <geniegirl1010@gmail.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com>; <eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 8:35 AM Subject: [DEV] EROTY / EROLY / SMITH / SUMMERS > Inspried by Gail Pullybank's email about "Crowd Sourcing" and with > something of a similar query, I would like to pick up on the statement by > one of the researcher's comments, hired by Gail, "They said that a girl > would not come to Devon on her own so must be with family ...." > > My great grandmother's maiden name appears as Eroty / Erotti / Eruth on > her > two marriage certificates. She first appears in the 1881 census with a > daughter, Sarah under her "first" married name of GRIMES - no husband, but > he is there in 1891 and more of their children. > > Widowed, she marries again to George WILLIAMS and has more children by > him. Each Census states her birth place as London. > > I have never been able to find any name similar to the EROTY variants to > enable me to follow through on her birth family. > > However, I do have a marriage for a Hannah SMITH, married to a Joseph > EROLI. I find Hannah, who became Annie, just like my own EROTY woman - > her first marriage cert states Hannah, then she became Annie (not > unusual ) > > Annie EROLY spent some time in the Clerkenwell Workhouse with her two > children, Sarah and Elizabeth and the latter later died there. > > Annie EROLY does not appear in any Census under that name. > > So, was Hannah SMITH, later to become Annie EROLY then appears in Plymouth > with surviving daughter, Sarah (first born) (I have all the certs.) really > Annie EROTY? > > Regardless of whether she was SMITH or EROLY / EROTY - how would she have > made her way to Plymouth, then convince William GRIMES to marry her, with > one child already, then not appear in the census with her - which looks > like she is stated as a "widow". Back he comes to have more children. > > A professional researcher says Hannah / Annie SMITH was really my Hannah / > Annie EROTY: this means great grandma married three times, possibly the > second and third marriage illegally. > > Talk about tangled webs we weave etc., etc., > > Any thought please on how the journey from London to Plymouth would have > been made - and why? No family down there before that. > > Diane - Western Australia. > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >