They're all under maimed soldiers, QS/128 - see http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=027-QS_8&cid=8-82-2#8-82-2. This has lots of parishes besides Topsham, and not all are mariners captured by pirates, quite a few are injured in wars with the Dutch, others don't say but there's a heading entry for QS/128 - "(all Civil war casualties unless otherwise stated)". Two entries of particular interest to me: one under Kingsbridge "Joseph Bastard, his eldest son aged about 20, captured by pirates" (1673) and under Tavistock "Francis Glubb, soldier aged 90 years" (no date, but all other Tavistock are dated 1660-1685; I guess later end of that range or he'd have been a bit old to be a Civil War casualty) I hope to get to the DRO soon (depending on floods and ice and stocktaking closure ...) and will be happy to share what more I find for these entries. Will probably add transcriptions to my family tree website, but ... I've been tending to assume it's OK to transcribe old documents and put the transcriptions on my website; I know with Crown copyright from TNA it's fine because they waive it, I've only just realised that descendants have copyright in wills but as some are being put on GENUKI without descendants permission I'll carry on too! Does anyone know about this? I know copyright expires on published things but I'm always clear what counts as being published. I've just transcribed 2 will abstracts by Miss Moger - should I be seeking permission to put those online? One is my ancestor, the other her 2nd husband, but do Miss Moger's heirs have a say because she made the abstract? Or because it's only 2 is it OK because not a significant part? Teresa PS One TNA document nearly ready to go on my website had a will for the Devon wills project - it was transcribed in full in a Chancery court case. On 12/01/2014 14:12, devon-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 10:26:59 +0000 > From: Brian Randell<brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> > Subject: Re: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs > To: "<devon@rootsweb.com>"<devon@rootsweb.com> > Cc: Gion Tobac<giontobac@outlook.com>, Brian Randell > <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> > Message-ID:<52E70D58-AB86-4A29-8DC7-6D2267C51B72@ncl.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Gion: > > Thanks for an interesting post. > > If you could provide the titles and reference numbers of the (I presume Devon Record Office) documents from which you've extracted each of these items, and perhaps details of the scope of the search that you conducted, I'd be happy to generate a web page from your listing and add it to GENUKI/Devon. > > Cheers > > Brian Randell > > On 12 Jan 2014, at 03:35, Gion Tobac wrote: > >> >The following were captured by the Barbary Corsairs and enslaved in North Africa. Further information can be downloaded from the A2A files. I am certain there were others with no surviving records.

1) According to FreeBMD Miss Olive Moger died aged 80 in 1961 in Tiverton district, so if the 50 year rule is applied (is this still the law?) then copyright in her books expired 2011. 2) As I understand it copyright is concerned with published material and with images. If you transcribe an unpublished document then copyright is not relevant except that your transcription would be your copyright if it were published. If you were to publish images of the original document, then there would be issues with the owner of the material. Additionally when you take a copy of a document at a record office you have to sign a declaration, which in many cases restricts the use of the image to private study. I would be glad, however, if someone could give an authoritative opinion on this. Chris. -----Original Message----- From: Teresa Goatham Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:15 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com ; brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk Subject: Re: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs -> copyright They're all under maimed soldiers, QS/128 - see http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=027-QS_8&cid=8-82-2#8-82-2. This has lots of parishes besides Topsham, and not all are mariners captured by pirates, quite a few are injured in wars with the Dutch, others don't say but there's a heading entry for QS/128 - "(all Civil war casualties unless otherwise stated)". Two entries of particular interest to me: one under Kingsbridge "Joseph Bastard, his eldest son aged about 20, captured by pirates" (1673) and under Tavistock "Francis Glubb, soldier aged 90 years" (no date, but all other Tavistock are dated 1660-1685; I guess later end of that range or he'd have been a bit old to be a Civil War casualty) I hope to get to the DRO soon (depending on floods and ice and stocktaking closure ...) and will be happy to share what more I find for these entries. Will probably add transcriptions to my family tree website, but ... I've been tending to assume it's OK to transcribe old documents and put the transcriptions on my website; I know with Crown copyright from TNA it's fine because they waive it, I've only just realised that descendants have copyright in wills but as some are being put on GENUKI without descendants permission I'll carry on too! Does anyone know about this? I know copyright expires on published things but I'm always clear what counts as being published. I've just transcribed 2 will abstracts by Miss Moger - should I be seeking permission to put those online? One is my ancestor, the other her 2nd husband, but do Miss Moger's heirs have a say because she made the abstract? Or because it's only 2 is it OK because not a significant part? Teresa PS One TNA document nearly ready to go on my website had a will for the Devon wills project - it was transcribed in full in a Chancery court case. On 12/01/2014 14:12, devon-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 10:26:59 +0000 > From: Brian Randell<brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> > Subject: Re: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs > To: "<devon@rootsweb.com>"<devon@rootsweb.com> > Cc: Gion Tobac<giontobac@outlook.com>, Brian Randell > <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> > Message-ID:<52E70D58-AB86-4A29-8DC7-6D2267C51B72@ncl.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Gion: > > Thanks for an interesting post. > > If you could provide the titles and reference numbers of the (I presume > Devon Record Office) documents from which you've extracted each of these > items, and perhaps details of the scope of the search that you conducted, > I'd be happy to generate a web page from your listing and add it to > GENUKI/Devon. > > Cheers > > Brian Randell > > On 12 Jan 2014, at 03:35, Gion Tobac wrote: > >> >The following were captured by the Barbary Corsairs and enslaved in >> >North Africa. Further information can be downloaded from the A2A files. >> >I am certain there were others with no surviving records. ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message