Hi, Ancestry has no entry for anyone in its .co.uk database with the surname Eroty or Eroly . The National Archives similarly has no entry on its database for the surname ....... Annie cannot have been the only one. so one has to imagine this is mistranscribed. Is it possible for you to scan in the two marriage certificates. The initial E may perhaps be C or G or even F. the marriage certs should show her father`s name which would be useful , and the birth certs of her children should give her maiden name as well . In the 1881 census Annie is in St Andrew`s Plymouth born London , a widow, with her dau Sarah, 2. However in 1891 William has reappeared, they are still living in St Andrews in Frankfort, William is 40, b Yeovil, a hawker, Annie is 33 , also a hawker, b London , Sarah is 14 , b London. the other children are all born Plymouth., Thomas aged 3 being the last. If they were both hawkers then they would have travelled all over the country , and Plymouth was always a busy place. This is the late 1800s and railways were everywhere , they might have cadged lifts from market town to market town in other traders carts .... However , I have just searched for the birth of Sarah Grimes aged 2 in the 1881 census and there is one , Sarah Mary A , in the Holborn reg dist, vol 1b , 822, Dec 1878 quarter. There is a Thomas James Grimes born in the Dec 1887 1/4 Plymouth vol 5b p 270. Hannah Eroty is marr in Plymouth in Dec.1/4 1876. I cannot find the birth of anyone named Eroty in Freebmd 1850 1880 And Hannah is the only marriage in that same period. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Foster" <geniegirl1010@gmail.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com>; <eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 8:35 AM Subject: [DEV] EROTY / EROLY / SMITH / SUMMERS > Inspried by Gail Pullybank's email about "Crowd Sourcing" and with > something of a similar query, I would like to pick up on the statement by > one of the researcher's comments, hired by Gail, "They said that a girl > would not come to Devon on her own so must be with family ...." > > My great grandmother's maiden name appears as Eroty / Erotti / Eruth on > her > two marriage certificates. She first appears in the 1881 census with a > daughter, Sarah under her "first" married name of GRIMES - no husband, but > he is there in 1891 and more of their children. > > Widowed, she marries again to George WILLIAMS and has more children by > him. Each Census states her birth place as London. > > I have never been able to find any name similar to the EROTY variants to > enable me to follow through on her birth family. > > However, I do have a marriage for a Hannah SMITH, married to a Joseph > EROLI. I find Hannah, who became Annie, just like my own EROTY woman - > her first marriage cert states Hannah, then she became Annie (not > unusual ) > > Annie EROLY spent some time in the Clerkenwell Workhouse with her two > children, Sarah and Elizabeth and the latter later died there. > > Annie EROLY does not appear in any Census under that name. > > So, was Hannah SMITH, later to become Annie EROLY then appears in Plymouth > with surviving daughter, Sarah (first born) (I have all the certs.) really > Annie EROTY? > > Regardless of whether she was SMITH or EROLY / EROTY - how would she have > made her way to Plymouth, then convince William GRIMES to marry her, with > one child already, then not appear in the census with her - which looks > like she is stated as a "widow". Back he comes to have more children. > > A professional researcher says Hannah / Annie SMITH was really my Hannah / > Annie EROTY: this means great grandma married three times, possibly the > second and third marriage illegally. > > Talk about tangled webs we weave etc., etc., > > Any thought please on how the journey from London to Plymouth would have > been made - and why? No family down there before that. > > Diane - Western Australia. > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >