This entry would be great to get just to get a transcription of the event and have it posted for all to see. Is anyone related to this lady? Bev [no title] QS/128/42/33 1688 These documents are held at Devon Record Office Contents: Mary Nowell, widow, mother of Michael Saunders on the Eagle on a voyage from Newfoundland with a cargo of fish - taken by pirates (full description of the action). -------------------------------------------------- From: "Teresa Goatham" <teresa@goatham.co.uk> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 1:15 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com>; <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs -> copyright > They're all under maimed soldiers, QS/128 - see > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=027-QS_8&cid=8-82-2#8-82-2. > This has lots of parishes besides Topsham, and not all are mariners > captured by pirates, quite a few are injured in wars with the Dutch, > others don't say but there's a heading entry for QS/128 - "(all Civil > war casualties unless otherwise stated)". > > Two entries of particular interest to me: > one under Kingsbridge "Joseph Bastard, his eldest son aged about 20, > captured by pirates" (1673) > and under Tavistock "Francis Glubb, soldier aged 90 years" (no date, but > all other Tavistock are dated 1660-1685; I guess later end of that range > or he'd have been a bit old to be a Civil War casualty) > > I hope to get to the DRO soon (depending on floods and ice and > stocktaking closure ...) and will be happy to share what more I find for > these entries. Will probably add transcriptions to my family tree > website, but ... > > I've been tending to assume it's OK to transcribe old documents and put > the transcriptions on my website; I know with Crown copyright from TNA > it's fine because they waive it, I've only just realised that > descendants have copyright in wills but as some are being put on GENUKI > without descendants permission I'll carry on too! Does anyone know about > this? I know copyright expires on published things but I'm always clear > what counts as being published. > > I've just transcribed 2 will abstracts by Miss Moger - should I be > seeking permission to put those online? One is my ancestor, the other > her 2nd husband, but do Miss Moger's heirs have a say because she made > the abstract? Or because it's only 2 is it OK because not a significant > part? > > Teresa > > PS One TNA document nearly ready to go on my website had a will for the > Devon wills project - it was transcribed in full in a Chancery court case. > > On 12/01/2014 14:12, devon-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 10:26:59 +0000 >> From: Brian Randell<brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> >> Subject: Re: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs >> To: "<devon@rootsweb.com>"<devon@rootsweb.com> >> Cc: Gion Tobac<giontobac@outlook.com>, Brian Randell >> <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> >> Message-ID:<52E70D58-AB86-4A29-8DC7-6D2267C51B72@ncl.ac.uk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi Gion: >> >> Thanks for an interesting post. >> >> If you could provide the titles and reference numbers of the (I presume >> Devon Record Office) documents from which you've extracted each of these >> items, and perhaps details of the scope of the search that you conducted, >> I'd be happy to generate a web page from your listing and add it to >> GENUKI/Devon. >> >> Cheers >> >> Brian Randell >> >> On 12 Jan 2014, at 03:35, Gion Tobac wrote: >> >>> >The following were captured by the Barbary Corsairs and enslaved in >>> >North Africa. Further information can be downloaded from the A2A files. >>> >I am certain there were others with no surviving records. > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6496 - Release Date: 01/12/14 >

There is little point in worrying too much about copyright once the author has been dead for 75 years. For instance much of the Devon family history records we see in book form these days were written around the 1880 to 1885 era. That makes their copyright at the least, 130 years old. Here we are talking about copyright lasting 150 years. If the book was willed to someone else, it's hardly likely they are still living, though possible. So there isn't going to be too much pursuit of Copyright laws. However, I don't vindicate the breaking of these laws, but with regard to Books by Devonshire authors, most of the wills were destroyed during the second world war. So how would anyone know for sure that the authors will passed on copyright to someone else. No doubt there are ways to find out. It would be ideal if someone with such knowledge clued us in. A matter that has often been raised on the DEVON-L site with regard that on a person to person basis the passing of small amounts of information from these sources isn't going to breach copyright laws. -----Original Message----- From: B. Edmonds Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 8:30 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs -> copyright This entry would be great to get just to get a transcription of the event and have it posted for all to see. Is anyone related to this lady? Bev [no title] QS/128/42/33 1688 These documents are held at Devon Record Office Contents: Mary Nowell, widow, mother of Michael Saunders on the Eagle on a voyage from Newfoundland with a cargo of fish - taken by pirates (full description of the action). -------------------------------------------------- From: "Teresa Goatham" <teresa@goatham.co.uk> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 1:15 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com>; <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs -> copyright > They're all under maimed soldiers, QS/128 - see > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=027-QS_8&cid=8-82-2#8-82-2. > This has lots of parishes besides Topsham, and not all are mariners > captured by pirates, quite a few are injured in wars with the Dutch, > others don't say but there's a heading entry for QS/128 - "(all Civil > war casualties unless otherwise stated)". > > Two entries of particular interest to me: > one under Kingsbridge "Joseph Bastard, his eldest son aged about 20, > captured by pirates" (1673) > and under Tavistock "Francis Glubb, soldier aged 90 years" (no date, but > all other Tavistock are dated 1660-1685; I guess later end of that range > or he'd have been a bit old to be a Civil War casualty) > > I hope to get to the DRO soon (depending on floods and ice and > stocktaking closure ...) and will be happy to share what more I find for > these entries. Will probably add transcriptions to my family tree > website, but ... > > I've been tending to assume it's OK to transcribe old documents and put > the transcriptions on my website; I know with Crown copyright from TNA > it's fine because they waive it, I've only just realised that > descendants have copyright in wills but as some are being put on GENUKI > without descendants permission I'll carry on too! Does anyone know about > this? I know copyright expires on published things but I'm always clear > what counts as being published. > > I've just transcribed 2 will abstracts by Miss Moger - should I be > seeking permission to put those online? One is my ancestor, the other > her 2nd husband, but do Miss Moger's heirs have a say because she made > the abstract? Or because it's only 2 is it OK because not a significant > part? > > Teresa > > PS One TNA document nearly ready to go on my website had a will for the > Devon wills project - it was transcribed in full in a Chancery court case. > > On 12/01/2014 14:12, devon-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 10:26:59 +0000 >> From: Brian Randell<brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> >> Subject: Re: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs >> To: "<devon@rootsweb.com>"<devon@rootsweb.com> >> Cc: Gion Tobac<giontobac@outlook.com>, Brian Randell >> <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> >> Message-ID:<52E70D58-AB86-4A29-8DC7-6D2267C51B72@ncl.ac.uk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi Gion: >> >> Thanks for an interesting post. >> >> If you could provide the titles and reference numbers of the (I presume >> Devon Record Office) documents from which you've extracted each of these >> items, and perhaps details of the scope of the search that you conducted, >> I'd be happy to generate a web page from your listing and add it to >> GENUKI/Devon. >> >> Cheers >> >> Brian Randell >> >> On 12 Jan 2014, at 03:35, Gion Tobac wrote: >> >>> >The following were captured by the Barbary Corsairs and enslaved in >>> >North Africa. Further information can be downloaded from the A2A files. >>> >I am certain there were others with no surviving records. > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6496 - Release Date: 01/12/14 > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Bev for those details. I am part of a small research group working with Teignmouth Museum looking at fishermen and boat owners who fished in the Grand Banks, maybe emigrated to Newfoundland and were from Teignmouth so am very interested. I have no date at the moment to go to the Devon Heritage Centre (new title of DRO) but next time i go I will look this up or one of my colleagues may do so. I'll be in touch again then thanks again Mary in Torquay -----Original Message----- From: B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 20:35 Subject: Re: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs -> copyright This entry would be great to get just to get a transcription of the event and have it posted for all to see. Is anyone related to this lady? Bev [no title] QS/128/42/33 1688 These documents are held at Devon Record Office Contents: Mary Nowell, widow, mother of Michael Saunders on the Eagle on a voyage from Newfoundland with a cargo of fish - taken by pirates (full description of the action).

That would be great Mary if you could see the article to get a gist of the description of what they went through. I have a very, very slight link with pirates with one Matthew EDMONDS. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: <mary.armitage@talktalk.net> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 11:35 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs -> copyright > Thanks Bev for those details. I am part of a small research group working > with Teignmouth Museum looking at fishermen and boat owners who fished in > the Grand Banks, maybe emigrated to Newfoundland and were from Teignmouth > so am very interested. I have no date at the moment to go to the Devon > Heritage Centre (new title of DRO) but next time i go I will look this up > or one of my colleagues may do so. I'll be in touch again then > > > thanks again > > > Mary in Torquay > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 20:35 > Subject: Re: [DEV] Topsham mariners and the Barbary Corsairs -> copyright > > > This entry would be great to get just to get a transcription of the event > and have it posted for all to see. Is anyone related to this lady? > > Bev > [no title] QS/128/42/33 1688 > > These documents are held at Devon Record Office > > Contents: > Mary Nowell, widow, mother of Michael Saunders on the Eagle on a voyage > from > Newfoundland with a cargo of fish - taken by pirates (full description of > the action). > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3658/6497 - Release Date: 01/12/14 >