On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:48:06 -0000, "Robin Jarvis" <robinj@talk21.com> wrote: ><snip> > >> Marriage >> >> Thomas STOOKE of this Parish and Mary STOOKE of this Parish were married >> in this Church by Licence this thirty first Day of August in the Year one >> thousand eight hundred and twenty two by me D. Perkins DD, Vicar >> (both signed) >> In the presence of Elizabeth MARTIN Jacob COCK >>Sorry, "Mary STOOKE" above should read "Mary Ann PEARCE" Robin, thanks very much for your help in this. I'm now trying to sort out the various Dawlish Stooke families, and it is really confusing. Names, ages, and dates don't seem to fit. You gave me the dates of baptism of what were apparently the children of that couple, and I found them in the 1841 census, but they are all 5 years younger than they should be. I wonder if the enumerator misunderstood the instructions, and subtracted five years from the age of everyone in the household? Has anyone come across anything like that before? There's also a Stooke family in Clifton, Bristol, where the progenitor, William STOOKE, claims to have been born in Dawlish about 1788. He married a Susannah, and at one time kept the York Hotel in Clifton. According to what you sent me, there was a William, son of James and Mary, born in Dawlish 10 April 1787, which seems to fit. But it also seems that he was buried on 29 Aug 1787. Could the one in Bristol have done a "Day of the Jackal" trick and stolen the dead child's identity? I have quite a lot of information on his descendants, but his origin and ancestry remain a mystery. I'm not expecting you (Robin) to answer these questions for me -- you've done a lot to help already, but just wondering aloud in case anyone has any ideas about these things. I've also had some help from Tricia Whiteaway of the Dawlish Local History Society, and I'm trying to put together various pieces of the puzzle. She introduced a new family, an Edward STOOKE who married Mary BEST in Dawlish on 4 October 1764, and they had several children too. Tricia suggested that Edward and James STOOKE (who married Mary BARJERON on 28 October 1771) were brothers (both were woolcombers), and that both were children of James STOOKE (of Okehampton) who married Catherine PAINTER, except that neither seem to have been baptised in Dawlish. My alternative theory is that woolcombing is perhaps a seasonal occupation, and that the brothers Edward and John travelled around, and in Dawlish found girls that they liked, and married and settled there. There's no proof of this, of course, but Edward STOOKE and Elizabeth DINGLEY of Trusham had sons Edward, born in 1732, and James, born 1742, who did not apparently find wives or die in Trusham, and who could possibly have ended up in Dawlish. This theory could immediately be disproved by finding a record of the baptism of Edward and James in Dawlish, but apparently there is no such record. Would anyone care to comment on the credibility of this theory? -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/

Here is another interesting entry on A2A.  Mamhead is near Dawlish.  Can you place this group of names:   Administration with will annexed of John Atwill of Mamhead 4056M/F 9 1808 These documents are held at Devon Record Office Contents: Legacy, furniture and household goods to wife Mary and the cott house known as Plain Dealing leased from the Earl of Lisburne for Mary's life, then to be held by Mary Smaldridge, daughter of Ann Ellis Legacies to James Stooke, Mary Howard and Elizabeth Rowe, son, daughter and grand-daughter of brother-in-law Thomas Stooke, and to Andrew Ellis son of sister Ann Ellis Furniture and household goods to brother Richard Atwill, £200 is to be invested by Richard Atwill for the use of Mary Atwill and after her death for the use of Mary Smaldridge Administration granted to Richard Atwill Joy ________________________________ From: Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> To: stooke@yahoogroups.com; devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 26 January 2014, 2:37 Subject: Re: [DEV] STOOKE family of Dawlish On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:48:06 -0000, "Robin Jarvis" <robinj@talk21.com> wrote: ><snip> > >> Marriage >> >> Thomas STOOKE of this Parish and Mary STOOKE of this Parish were married >> in this Church by Licence this thirty first Day of August in the Year one >> thousand eight hundred and twenty two by me D. Perkins DD, Vicar >> (both signed) >> In the presence of Elizabeth MARTIN  Jacob COCK >>Sorry, "Mary STOOKE" above should read "Mary Ann PEARCE" Robin, thanks very much for your help in this. I'm now trying to sort out the various Dawlish Stooke families, and it is really confusing. Names, ages, and dates don't seem to fit. You gave me the dates of baptism of what were apparently the children of that couple, and I found them in the 1841 census, but they are all 5 years younger than they should be. I wonder if the enumerator misunderstood the instructions, and subtracted five years from the age of everyone in the household? Has anyone come across anything like that before? There's also a Stooke family in Clifton, Bristol, where the progenitor, William STOOKE, claims to have been born in Dawlish about 1788. He married a Susannah, and at one time kept the York Hotel in Clifton. According to what you sent me, there was a William, son of James and Mary, born in Dawlish 10 April 1787, which seems to fit. But it also seems that he was buried on 29 Aug 1787. Could the one in Bristol have done a "Day of the Jackal" trick and stolen the dead child's identity? I have quite a lot of information on his descendants, but his origin and ancestry remain a mystery. I'm not expecting you (Robin) to answer these questions for me -- you've done a lot to help already, but just wondering aloud in case anyone has any ideas about these things. I've also had some help from Tricia Whiteaway of the Dawlish Local History Society, and I'm trying to put together various pieces of the puzzle. She introduced a new family, an Edward STOOKE who married Mary BEST in Dawlish on 4 October 1764, and they had several children too. Tricia suggested that Edward and James STOOKE (who married Mary BARJERON  on 28 October 1771) were brothers (both were woolcombers), and that both were children of James STOOKE (of Okehampton) who married Catherine PAINTER, except that neither seem to have been baptised in Dawlish. My alternative theory is that woolcombing is perhaps a seasonal occupation, and that the brothers Edward and John travelled around, and in Dawlish found girls that they liked, and married and settled there. There's no proof of this, of course, but Edward STOOKE and Elizabeth DINGLEY of Trusham had sons Edward, born in 1732, and James, born 1742, who did not apparently find wives or die in Trusham, and who could possibly have ended up in Dawlish. This theory could immediately be disproved by finding a record of the baptism of Edward and James in Dawlish, but apparently there is no such record. Would anyone care to comment on the credibility of this theory? -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/     http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com/     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/     ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, and the Friends of Devon Archive have a George Stooke a freeholder in Trusham in 1771, and in 1799. Further sightings of Mr John Stooke , 1721 in Paignton. , Thomas in 1741 in Ashton, following a Francis Stooke. So it is always worth searching a little further out. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> To: <shayes@dunelm.org.uk>; <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [DEV] STOOKE family of Dawlish Here is another interesting entry on A2A. Mamhead is near Dawlish. Can you place this group of names: Administration with will annexed of John Atwill of Mamhead 4056M/F 9 1808 These documents are held at Devon Record Office Contents: Legacy, furniture and household goods to wife Mary and the cott house known as Plain Dealing leased from the Earl of Lisburne for Mary's life, then to be held by Mary Smaldridge, daughter of Ann Ellis Legacies to James Stooke, Mary Howard and Elizabeth Rowe, son, daughter and grand-daughter of brother-in-law Thomas Stooke, and to Andrew Ellis son of sister Ann Ellis Furniture and household goods to brother Richard Atwill, £200 is to be invested by Richard Atwill for the use of Mary Atwill and after her death for the use of Mary Smaldridge Administration granted to Richard Atwill Joy ________________________________ From: Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> To: stooke@yahoogroups.com; devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 26 January 2014, 2:37 Subject: Re: [DEV] STOOKE family of Dawlish On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:48:06 -0000, "Robin Jarvis" <robinj@talk21.com> wrote: ><snip> > >> Marriage >> >> Thomas STOOKE of this Parish and Mary STOOKE of this Parish were married >> in this Church by Licence this thirty first Day of August in the Year one >> thousand eight hundred and twenty two by me D. Perkins DD, Vicar >> (both signed) >> In the presence of Elizabeth MARTIN Jacob COCK >>Sorry, "Mary STOOKE" above should read "Mary Ann PEARCE" Robin, thanks very much for your help in this. I'm now trying to sort out the various Dawlish Stooke families, and it is really confusing. Names, ages, and dates don't seem to fit. You gave me the dates of baptism of what were apparently the children of that couple, and I found them in the 1841 census, but they are all 5 years younger than they should be. I wonder if the enumerator misunderstood the instructions, and subtracted five years from the age of everyone in the household? Has anyone come across anything like that before? There's also a Stooke family in Clifton, Bristol, where the progenitor, William STOOKE, claims to have been born in Dawlish about 1788. He married a Susannah, and at one time kept the York Hotel in Clifton. According to what you sent me, there was a William, son of James and Mary, born in Dawlish 10 April 1787, which seems to fit. But it also seems that he was buried on 29 Aug 1787. Could the one in Bristol have done a "Day of the Jackal" trick and stolen the dead child's identity? I have quite a lot of information on his descendants, but his origin and ancestry remain a mystery. I'm not expecting you (Robin) to answer these questions for me -- you've done a lot to help already, but just wondering aloud in case anyone has any ideas about these things. I've also had some help from Tricia Whiteaway of the Dawlish Local History Society, and I'm trying to put together various pieces of the puzzle. She introduced a new family, an Edward STOOKE who married Mary BEST in Dawlish on 4 October 1764, and they had several children too. Tricia suggested that Edward and James STOOKE (who married Mary BARJERON on 28 October 1771) were brothers (both were woolcombers), and that both were children of James STOOKE (of Okehampton) who married Catherine PAINTER, except that neither seem to have been baptised in Dawlish. My alternative theory is that woolcombing is perhaps a seasonal occupation, and that the brothers Edward and John travelled around, and in Dawlish found girls that they liked, and married and settled there. There's no proof of this, of course, but Edward STOOKE and Elizabeth DINGLEY of Trusham had sons Edward, born in 1732, and James, born 1742, who did not apparently find wives or die in Trusham, and who could possibly have ended up in Dawlish. This theory could immediately be disproved by finding a record of the baptism of Edward and James in Dawlish, but apparently there is no such record. Would anyone care to comment on the credibility of this theory? -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Possibly not a lot of help, but an additional piece of information. > ><snip> She introduced a new family, an Edward STOOKE who married Mary BEST in Dawlish on 4 October 1764, and they had several children too. Tricia suggested that Edward and James STOOKE (who married Mary BARJERON on 28 October 1771) were brothers (both were woolcombers), and that both were children of James STOOKE (of Okehampton) who married Catherine PAINTER, except that neither seem to have been baptised in Dawlish. > ><snip> Okehampton is in IGI, but I can't find a baptism there for James STOOKE, or indeed any STOOKEs, nor a baptism for Catherine PAINTER, although that family were prolific in Okehampton with records going back to the 1660s. I have some in my family tree going back to Thomas PAINTER baptised in 1731, son of Mary PAINTER, who appears to have been unmarried, though I've not seen the original record. The Painters of Okehampton were stonemasons, and a descendant of Thomas's, Lucy Thorn PAINTER (1877-1962) came to live in Dawlish in about 1891 with her maternal aunt, Mary Ann THORN, where she helped with her drapery business, and lived with her in Dawlish until Mary Ann died in 1928. Lucy went to live in Lustleigh (where her brother kept a hotel) and died in Moretonhampstead Hospital in 1962, but was buried with her aunt Mary Ann in Dawlish cemetery. Angela in Dawlish (entirely coincidental) > From: hayesstw@telkomsa.net > To: stooke@yahoogroups.com; devon@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 04:37:41 +0200 > Subject: Re: [DEV] STOOKE family of Dawlish > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:48:06 -0000, "Robin Jarvis" <robinj@talk21.com> wrote: > > ><snip> > > > >> Marriage > >> > >> Thomas STOOKE of this Parish and Mary STOOKE of this Parish were married > >> in this Church by Licence this thirty first Day of August in the Year one > >> thousand eight hundred and twenty two by me D. Perkins DD, Vicar > >> (both signed) > >> In the presence of Elizabeth MARTIN Jacob COCK > > >>Sorry, "Mary STOOKE" above should read "Mary Ann PEARCE" > > Robin, thanks very much for your help in this. > > I'm now trying to sort out the various Dawlish Stooke families, and it is > really confusing. Names, ages, and dates don't seem to fit. > > You gave me the dates of baptism of what were apparently the children of that > couple, and I found them in the 1841 census, but they are all 5 years younger > than they should be. > > I wonder if the enumerator misunderstood the instructions, and subtracted five > years from the age of everyone in the household? Has anyone come across > anything like that before? > > There's also a Stooke family in Clifton, Bristol, where the progenitor, > William STOOKE, claims to have been born in Dawlish about 1788. He married a > Susannah, and at one time kept the York Hotel in Clifton. > > According to what you sent me, there was a William, son of James and Mary, > born in Dawlish 10 April 1787, which seems to fit. But it also seems that he > was buried on 29 Aug 1787. > > Could the one in Bristol have done a "Day of the Jackal" trick and stolen the > dead child's identity? I have quite a lot of information on his descendants, > but his origin and ancestry remain a mystery. > > I'm not expecting you (Robin) to answer these questions for me -- you've done > a lot to help already, but just wondering aloud in case anyone has any ideas > about these things. > > I've also had some help from Tricia Whiteaway of the Dawlish Local History > Society, and I'm trying to put together various pieces of the puzzle. > > She introduced a new family, an Edward STOOKE who married Mary BEST in Dawlish > on 4 October 1764, and they had several children too. > > Tricia suggested that Edward and James STOOKE (who married Mary BARJERON on > 28 October 1771) were brothers (both were woolcombers), and that both were > children of James STOOKE (of Okehampton) who married Catherine PAINTER, except > that neither seem to have been baptised in Dawlish. > > My alternative theory is that woolcombing is perhaps a seasonal occupation, > and that the brothers Edward and John travelled around, and in Dawlish found > girls that they liked, and married and settled there. > > There's no proof of this, of course, but Edward STOOKE and Elizabeth DINGLEY > of Trusham had sons Edward, born in 1732, and James, born 1742, who did not > apparently find wives or die in Trusham, and who could possibly have ended up > in Dawlish. This theory could immediately be disproved by finding a record of > the baptism of Edward and James in Dawlish, but apparently there is no such > record. > > Would anyone care to comment on the credibility of this theory? > > > -- > Steve Hayes > Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ > http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/ > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message