You will possibly find that the same names turn up in several Parishes at about the same time. I really does make for hard work trying to sort out which is which. In my own family my 6th great grand Uncle Francis Blackmore married Sarah Acland, his son also Francis also married a Sarah Acland. This doesn't help a lot as there were also other Sarah Aclands in the area. It's enough to drive you crazy trying to sort out which is which. Plus the church Registers were also written by the younger of the two above Francis Blackmores, who was Parish Clerk for 40 years. Terry Blackmore O.P.C. Sheldon, Devon. -----Original Message----- From: Diana Stevens Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 8:07 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Thomas ACLAND of Hemyock buried 1827 Dunkeswell Hi Terry and Paul Thanks for the helpful information. I am aware that Ag Labs had to move around for work, but Thomas was 99 when he died, I doubt he was still working. For two generations between 1736 and 1827 there are PR entries for Thomas, and his father Thomas, saying 'of Hemyock' which is why I thought the family might have a base in the area where the four parishes meet. I have no idea about the occupations of Thomas (1705) or Thomas (1728). The next Thomas (1759) died in 1837, no occupation for him either but his wife Betty left a will when she died in 1854, the probate says under £100, apart from personal stuff she had three tenements in Eastbrook (Pitminster SOM). So it is possible that the two earlier Thomas Acklands were not Ag Labs. I was trying to get a feel for the geography of the countryside, whether it was steeply up-hill towards Hemyock but easier to get to the other churches. When I visited the area I went to Dunkeswell, Kentisbeare, Sheldon & Uffculme. I missed Hemyock as I had not traced the family back that far. Driving around the narrow lanes you don't get many views of the countryside, we kept meeting tractors towing enormous trailers (of mangel wurzels?) and having to back up to a lay-by. On the map there seems to be a stream rising between Sheldon & Dunkeswell and flowing past Ashill & Uffculme to the Culm. Another stream rises on the other side of Dunkeswell and flows past Hemyock to the Culm. I have just been looking at the relief map on http://www.maps-for-free.com. It shows it is a relatively flat area despite being 'The Blackdown Hills'! The satellite view on Google looks so cool and green, a bit different to Perth, 43.3°C yesterday, down to 29.7°C overnight, only 41°C today and cooling down now. Best wishes from Diana On 12/01/2014, at 3:38 AM, paul.hockie@talk21.com wrote: > The large scale closure and consolidation of parishes, especially in the > countryside is a mainly late 20th century phenomenum as the cost of clergy > and maintenance has had to be met by dwindling congregations. What did > happen in earlier times is that agricultural workers, in particular, moved > between villages following the work, often marrying a girl from a > neighbouring village on the way. This had the effect of balancing the > working population with jobs to avoid a shortage of workers in an aging > population. It also kept the gene pool stirred. > My own ancestors formed a "circuit" in the Culm Valley. These goups of > villages seemed to have formed around the local market town. This is where > the annual hiring fares would take place. > > Paul > > From: "Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk" <Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, 11 January 2014, 3:22 > Subject: Re: [DEV] Thomas ACLAND of Hemyock buried 1827 Dunkeswell > > > It would be possible as all the places you mention are in the same area. > If > I remember it correctly the Vicar (currently Rev. Rik Peckham. The > previous > Vicar Rev Nicholas Wall having retire recently) covers the following > places > Dunkeswell, Dunkeswell Abbey, Sheldon, Luppit, and Upottery. So back a > while > they may have been using what ever church was nearest to where they > currently resided. Though I don't know exactly, but other places in the > area > may well have a similar situation with which Parishes the Vicar oversees. > I didn't supply the records for Sheldon, but have the Micrrofiche of the > Sheldon Parish Registers. Which are pretty nigh on impossible to read in > some places. Local knowledge of local names is certainly and advantage > when > reading these Registers. It is often possible for me to make out names > that > other people can't read. Currently when I get the chance I add to the list > I'm doing for Sheldon BMDs, but it is slow work as looking at a Microfiche > at my age isn't good for the eyes. Has to be done in short stints. > > Terry Blackmore > O.P.C. Sheldon Devon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Diana Stevens > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 5:16 AM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Thomas ACLAND of Hemyock buried 1827 Dunkeswell > > Thanks Terry > > Thanks for the offer but I found the 1784/1785 burial records on the fiche > in the DRO, and have a bad photocopy, there is no more information. > > My Acklands appear to have wandered around the countryside. There are > baptisms for Thomas & Elizabeth at Dunkeswell, Uffculme and Sheldon. I > have > always thought there could be two couples with the same names but at least > one bap at Uffculme seems to belong with the Dunkeswell ones which include > my line. > > I have visited all the places but I do not have the geography fixed in my > head. I wonder if this Thomas lived in the point at the bottom of Hemyock > parish where the boundary meets Uffculme, Sheldon and Dunkeswell. From > there > it might be closer to go to one of the other churches rather than Hemyock. > What do you think? > > I found this record through a search of the DFHS burial index, it contains > burials for Sheldon long before 1813, the earliest Ackland is 1773. So > that > is the source you mention, but where did the records come from? I had > assumed you had provided them. > > Another question is have you read the Sheldon BTs and if so are they as > illegible as the early PR? > > Best wishes from Diana > > On 05/01/2014, at 12:19 PM, <Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >> There was a Thomas Acland buried at Sheldon on 12-12-1874. Elizabeth >> Acland was buried there also, on the 11-4-1875, source is listed as DFHS. >> I >> can if you wish me to check this out further on the Microfiche, I can do, >> as >> I have it available. I have not got this far into transcribing the >> microfiche, as of yet have made no notes against these burials. There are >> a >> number of other Aclands buried at Sheldon. >> >> Regards Terry Blackmore >> O.P.C. Sheldon, Devon. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Diana Stevens >> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 9:07 AM >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [DEV] Thomas ACLAND of Hemyock buried 1827 Dunkeswell >> >> There is a Thomas ACLAND of Hemyock, age 99, buried 17 May 1827 at >> Dunkeswell. >> >> He is the right age to be my GGGG-Grandfather who was probably born at >> Hemyock ca 1728. >> >> Most researchers assume that Thomas was buried at Sheldon in 1784, with >> his >> wife Elizabeth buried there the next year. But there are no ages against >> the >> entries so it has always been a guess. >> >> Now I think Elizabeth might have been buried at Dunkeswell in 1791 and >> then >> Thomas married Mary SMYTH in 1793. She was buried there in 1823 age 93. I >> checked for baptisms after the marriage and found none. >> >> Does anyone know about this Thomas? >> >> Best wishes from Diana ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message