It's more than 10 years since I last posed a question regarding the above, my gg grandfather.  I am hoping that in the intervening years, someone has found the elusive information I seek, which will knock down this particular brick wall. The baptism register for East Budleigh records that on 3rd August 1776 John Yates the son of Elizabeth Smith was baptised.  There was no mention of base child, but at that time the incumbent didn't appear to be censorious, as I noticed other bpts with no father also had no comments   I suspect that, as often was the case, the name Yates was given to point to the father.  In subsequent records (marriage, census and death) John gives his surname as Yates which reinforces my belief.  Can anyone provide more information about his parents (I have not traced his mother's antecedents either)? John in NSW

John, Any records of illegitimacy would be in the Parish Chest, vestry minutes etc, or as bastardy bonds. Any remaining will be in the county archive. The OPC may be able to help. I had a (quick) search for any signs of Yates in the area at the time. The only one I found was a John Yeats in the 1841 census for East Budleigh, born 1767-1771. I would suggest a more thorough search. To include the neighbouring parishes. If there are no Yates nearby then the possibility is a military man. I noticed there seems to be some John Yates Smith s born in Lancashire. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: Our Mail [mailto:ourmail@chez-williams.com] Sent: 03 October 2018 13:13 To: Devon Rootsweb Subject: [DEV] John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh It's more than 10 years since I last posed a question regarding the above, my gg grandfather.  I am hoping that in the intervening years, someone has found the elusive information I seek, which will knock down this particular brick wall. The baptism register for East Budleigh records that on 3rd August 1776 John Yates the son of Elizabeth Smith was baptised.  There was no mention of base child, but at that time the incumbent didn't appear to be censorious, as I noticed other bpts with no father also had no comments   I suspect that, as often was the case, the name Yates was given to point to the father.  In subsequent records (marriage, census and death) John gives his surname as Yates which reinforces my belief.  Can anyone provide more information about his parents (I have not traced his mother's antecedents either)? John in NSW _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=viv93EtioxM9T1aR7lyNnODKDyr3XsYTGsvN3LX4XpA&s=Kjg_Ux_-m-1D4sdBD914-c1xzgCgv4wshlZeAf_yJEI&e= and Devon FHS (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.devonfhs.org.uk_&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=viv93EtioxM9T1aR7lyNnODKDyr3XsYTGsvN3LX4XpA&s=Jugnrx_3g7kivYlQ19cr2vjV0qpbbMNJT_WMJQBE5CQ&e= ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=viv93EtioxM9T1aR7lyNnODKDyr3XsYTGsvN3LX4XpA&s=Ra6gYoypbiO0kSUfGNwxALYr_EOu4KyYX8k5-kO80g4&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=viv93EtioxM9T1aR7lyNnODKDyr3XsYTGsvN3LX4XpA&s=998Fe9eFHwluJDji-17Xpv7fSVwDHWv1ys2Mc_4MArk&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=viv93EtioxM9T1aR7lyNnODKDyr3XsYTGsvN3LX4XpA&s=kN9at01O4lhwVcByRWoNXmFoVf_gTGfRIu6Lm-nHoOA&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks Paul.   I looked through the parish chest records in the Devon RO when I was in Exeter some years ago, and didn't find a bastardy bond or other record.  There were quite a few Yates/Yeats in the area at the time.  As the Yates join my tree via Pamela b 1838, DNA will not be of much use.  So, a frustrating brick wall! John On 4/10/2018 5:09 AM, Paul Hockie wrote: > John, > > Any records of illegitimacy would be in the Parish Chest, vestry minutes etc, or as bastardy bonds. Any remaining will be in the county archive. The OPC may be able to help. > > I had a (quick) search for any signs of Yates in the area at the time. The only one I found was a John Yeats in the 1841 census for East Budleigh, born 1767-1771. I would suggest a more thorough search. To include the neighbouring parishes. If there are no Yates nearby then the possibility is a military man. I noticed there seems to be some John Yates Smith s born in Lancashire. > > Cheers > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Our Mail [mailto:ourmail@chez-williams.com] > Sent: 03 October 2018 13:13 > To: Devon Rootsweb > Subject: [DEV] John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh > > It's more than 10 years since I last posed a question regarding the > above, my gg grandfather.  I am hoping that in the intervening years, > someone has found the elusive information I seek, which will knock down > this particular brick wall. > > The baptism register for East Budleigh records that on 3rd August 1776 > John Yates the son of Elizabeth Smith was baptised.  There was no > mention of base child, but at that time the incumbent didn't appear to > be censorious, as I noticed other bpts with no father also had no > comments   I suspect that, as often was the case, the name Yates was > given to point to the father.  In subsequent records (marriage, census > and death) John gives his surname as Yates which reinforces my belief. > Can anyone provide more information about his parents (I have not traced > his mother's antecedents either)? > > John in NSW > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=viv93EtioxM9T1aR7lyNnODKDyr3XsYTGsvN3LX4XpA&s=Kjg_Ux_-m-1D4sdBD914-c1xzgCgv4wshlZeAf_yJEI&e= and Devon FHS (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.devonfhs.org.uk_&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=viv93EtioxM9T1aR7lyNnODKDyr3XsYTGsvN3LX4XpA&s=Jugnrx_3g7kivYlQ19cr2vjV0qpbbMNJT_WMJQBE5CQ&e= ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=viv93EtioxM9T1aR7lyNnODKDyr3XsYTGsvN3LX4XpA&s=Ra6gYoypbiO0kSUfGNwxALYr_EOu4KyYX8k5-kO80g4&e= > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=viv93EtioxM9T1aR7lyNnODKDyr3XsYTGsvN3LX4XpA&s=998Fe9eFHwluJDji-17Xpv7fSVwDHWv1ys2Mc_4MArk&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=viv93EtioxM9T1aR7lyNnODKDyr3XsYTGsvN3LX4XpA&s=kN9at01O4lhwVcByRWoNXmFoVf_gTGfRIu6Lm-nHoOA&e= > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=PkvBdelinHy8x7L2bKCR0nN1CeErbZXWsGVt7_fYe2g&s=gH0fTwMP_CYvbUBpFL57ZzgNvwRoJ6EncC92aq7rGe8&e= and Devon FHS (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.devonfhs.org.uk_&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=PkvBdelinHy8x7L2bKCR0nN1CeErbZXWsGVt7_fYe2g&s=HP9IGvBMXefNJam71YO9DcxNaA01w-vA3dr1amUwXC8&e= ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=PkvBdelinHy8x7L2bKCR0nN1CeErbZXWsGVt7_fYe2g&s=gndFAVVClzXZC07LmjsByRzt6M03-ohlfaIpoLE_mDw&e= > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=PkvBdelinHy8x7L2bKCR0nN1CeErbZXWsGVt7_fYe2g&s=bHoasYOCBHZ4KNFclmmpMwdC4tt8UrfFMnw69-d6LaM&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=PkvBdelinHy8x7L2bKCR0nN1CeErbZXWsGVt7_fYe2g&s=HQQx_aCmJUcVt5-ofq5TA8-u2bZY-VHYD4Zmbj-qoIc&e= > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

John, I checked FamilySearch and FMP for Yates male Devon Baptisms baptisms, 1700-1765, to cover the young and the old, within 10 miles of East Budleigh. There were none and it seems to me the father was out of town. It would probably worthwhile to repeat the exercise with burials and trying to match them up. I wonder if the vicar, as well as the surname/middle name, insisted on the use of the fathers forename to shame the guilty. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: Our Mail [mailto:ourmail@chez-williams.com] Sent: 04 October 2018 01:23 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Re: John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh Thanks Paul.   I looked through the parish chest records in the Devon RO when I was in Exeter some years ago, and didn't find a bastardy bond or other record.  There were quite a few Yates/Yeats in the area at the time.  As the Yates join my tree via Pamela b 1838, DNA will not be of much use.  So, a frustrating brick wall! John On 4/10/2018 5:09 AM, Paul Hockie wrote: > John, > > Any records of illegitimacy would be in the Parish Chest, vestry minutes etc, or as bastardy bonds. Any remaining will be in the county archive. The OPC may be able to help. > > I had a (quick) search for any signs of Yates in the area at the time. The only one I found was a John Yeats in the 1841 census for East Budleigh, born 1767-1771. I would suggest a more thorough search. To include the neighbouring parishes. If there are no Yates nearby then the possibility is a military man. I noticed there seems to be some John Yates Smith s born in Lancashire. > > Cheers > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Our Mail [mailto:ourmail@chez-williams.com] > Sent: 03 October 2018 13:13 > To: Devon Rootsweb > Subject: [DEV] John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh > > It's more than 10 years since I last posed a question regarding the > above, my gg grandfather.  I am hoping that in the intervening years, > someone has found the elusive information I seek, which will knock down > this particular brick wall. > > The baptism register for East Budleigh records that on 3rd August 1776 > John Yates the son of Elizabeth Smith was baptised.  There was no > mention of base child, but at that time the incumbent didn't appear to > be censorious, as I noticed other bpts with no father also had no > comments   I suspect that, as often was the case, the name Yates was > given to point to the father.  In subsequent records (marriage, census > and death) John gives his surname as Yates which reinforces my belief. > Can anyone provide more information about his parents (I have not traced > his mother's antecedents either)? > > John in NSW > >

Or now I think of it. Had run off to sea or back to the safety of the fishing fleet. Sent from my iPhone > On 4 Oct 2018, at 19:56, Paul Hockie <paul@hockie.co.uk> wrote: > > John, > > I checked FamilySearch and FMP for Yates male Devon Baptisms baptisms, 1700-1765, to cover the young and the old, within 10 miles of East Budleigh. There were none and it seems to me the father was out of town. It would probably worthwhile to repeat the exercise with burials and trying to match them up. > > I wonder if the vicar, as well as the surname/middle name, insisted on the use of the fathers forename to shame the guilty. > > Cheers > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Our Mail [mailto:ourmail@chez-williams.com] > Sent: 04 October 2018 01:23 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Re: John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh > > Thanks Paul. I looked through the parish chest records in the Devon RO > when I was in Exeter some years ago, and didn't find a bastardy bond or > other record. There were quite a few Yates/Yeats in the area at the > time. As the Yates join my tree via Pamela b 1838, DNA will not be of > much use. So, a frustrating brick wall! > > John > > >> On 4/10/2018 5:09 AM, Paul Hockie wrote: >> John, >> >> Any records of illegitimacy would be in the Parish Chest, vestry minutes etc, or as bastardy bonds. Any remaining will be in the county archive. The OPC may be able to help. >> >> I had a (quick) search for any signs of Yates in the area at the time. The only one I found was a John Yeats in the 1841 census for East Budleigh, born 1767-1771. I would suggest a more thorough search. To include the neighbouring parishes. If there are no Yates nearby then the possibility is a military man. I noticed there seems to be some John Yates Smith s born in Lancashire. >> >> Cheers >> >> Paul >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Our Mail [mailto:ourmail@chez-williams.com] >> Sent: 03 October 2018 13:13 >> To: Devon Rootsweb >> Subject: [DEV] John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh >> >> It's more than 10 years since I last posed a question regarding the >> above, my gg grandfather. I am hoping that in the intervening years, >> someone has found the elusive information I seek, which will knock down >> this particular brick wall. >> >> The baptism register for East Budleigh records that on 3rd August 1776 >> John Yates the son of Elizabeth Smith was baptised. There was no >> mention of base child, but at that time the incumbent didn't appear to >> be censorious, as I noticed other bpts with no father also had no >> comments I suspect that, as often was the case, the name Yates was >> given to point to the father. In subsequent records (marriage, census >> and death) John gives his surname as Yates which reinforces my belief. >> Can anyone provide more information about his parents (I have not traced >> his mother's antecedents either)? >> >> John in NSW >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_&d=DwIFAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=E3zGMstTAovfT_TuoMydWJEhEeUeUkp8GXxeLN0vx34&s=Y9q5EjHV7yqqAGRQAGkH9Bzm3GOc9QwW5tx9dk9tsHo&e= and Devon FHS (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.devonfhs.org.uk_&d=DwIFAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=E3zGMstTAovfT_TuoMydWJEhEeUeUkp8GXxeLN0vx34&s=CFXq-CZR_E773i02JqA7IxsgXnKR_FB9kqRIOwiqBWk&e= ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIFAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=E3zGMstTAovfT_TuoMydWJEhEeUeUkp8GXxeLN0vx34&s=DFPukenvn0VY_GmU1eZo6FaEBHzji0oVhJDKZzuUVs4&e= > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=E3zGMstTAovfT_TuoMydWJEhEeUeUkp8GXxeLN0vx34&s=U3d8xQNMSpbtL2-uapp1o6JxqiV3hdBKZHo9Bz79CtI&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIFAg&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=E3zGMstTAovfT_TuoMydWJEhEeUeUkp8GXxeLN0vx34&s=JppcxFDuduQcanMy5DuJLHQK9uVcLtu7uSjGP5KGaNA&e= > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Elizabeth, And, of course, as you probably know, fishing was very much a seasonal occupation in those days, and whilst some fishermen in the SW would go up to the North Sea to follow the fish down from Scotland to Gt Yarmouth, &c., they would then come back down the South Coast, going for Pilchard and Mackerel and so forth, often in company with some of the North Sea boats, and local women would be involved in much of the preparation for sending the fish off to market and salting it down, or smoking or drying it for local consumption in the winter, or export, so there was invariably the opportunity for some interaction between the crews and the ladies, some I'm told leading to happy marriages too. Paul On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 22:41:40 +0100, you wrote: >Or now I think of it. Had run off to sea or back to the safety of the fishing fleet. > >Sent from my iPhone > >> On 4 Oct 2018, at 19:56, Paul Hockie <paul@hockie.co.uk> wrote: >> >> John, >> >> I checked FamilySearch and FMP for Yates male Devon Baptisms baptisms, 1700-1765, to cover the young and the old, within 10 miles of East Budleigh. There were none and it seems to me the father was out of town. It would probably worthwhile to repeat the exercise with burials and trying to match them up. >> >> I wonder if the vicar, as well as the surname/middle name, insisted on the use of the fathers forename to shame the guilty. >> >> Cheers >> >> Paul >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Our Mail [mailto:ourmail@chez-williams.com] >> Sent: 04 October 2018 01:23 >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [DEV] Re: John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh >> >> Thanks Paul. I looked through the parish chest records in the Devon RO >> when I was in Exeter some years ago, and didn't find a bastardy bond or >> other record. There were quite a few Yates/Yeats in the area at the >> time. As the Yates join my tree via Pamela b 1838, DNA will not be of >> much use. So, a frustrating brick wall! >> >> John >> >> >>> On 4/10/2018 5:09 AM, Paul Hockie wrote: >>> John, >>> >>> Any records of illegitimacy would be in the Parish Chest, vestry minutes etc, or as bastardy bonds. Any remaining will be in the county archive. The OPC may be able to help. >>> >>> I had a (quick) search for any signs of Yates in the area at the time. The only one I found was a John Yeats in the 1841 census for East Budleigh, born 1767-1771. I would suggest a more thorough search. To include the neighbouring parishes. If there are no Yates nearby then the possibility is a military man. I noticed there seems to be some John Yates Smith s born in Lancashire. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Our Mail [mailto:ourmail@chez-williams.com] >>> Sent: 03 October 2018 13:13 >>> To: Devon Rootsweb >>> Subject: [DEV] John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh >>> >>> It's more than 10 years since I last posed a question regarding the >>> above, my gg grandfather. I am hoping that in the intervening years, >>> someone has found the elusive information I seek, which will knock down >>> this particular brick wall. >>> >>> The baptism register for East Budleigh records that on 3rd August 1776 >>> John Yates the son of Elizabeth Smith was baptised. There was no >>> mention of base child, but at that time the incumbent didn't appear to >>> be censorious, as I noticed other bpts with no father also had no >>> comments I suspect that, as often was the case, the name Yates was >>> given to point to the father. 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In my childhood in Salterton , it was mainly crab and lobster of the coast . I remember the Rogers boys bringing up from the beach , their catch and taking it to "Old Daisy" Rogers who lived in a very original tumbledown cottage called Ruggs Roost , apparently Rogues Roost , who had a perpetual fire burning and a huge to me as a small child, huge pot of boiling crabs and lobsters . . We got the throwouts and the fish which weren`t nearly so popular , and my mother once had a gift of a bucket of whelks !!! never hear of whelks now ….they were hideous and needed a lot of cooking, and then you hooked them out of their shells and chewed them furiously !! Salterton had several grand hotels by this time !!! On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 12:30 AM Paul Benyon <pbenyon@pbenyon.plus.com> wrote: > > Elizabeth, > > And, of course, as you probably know, fishing was very much a seasonal > occupation in those days, and whilst some fishermen in the SW would go > up to the North Sea to follow the fish down from Scotland to Gt > Yarmouth, &c., they would then come back down the South Coast, going > for Pilchard and Mackerel and so forth, often in company with some of > the North Sea boats, and local women would be involved in much of the > preparation for sending the fish off to market and salting it down, or > smoking or drying it for local consumption in the winter, or export, > so there was invariably the opportunity for some interaction between > the crews and the ladies, some I'm told leading to happy marriages > too. > > Paul > > On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 22:41:40 +0100, you wrote: > > >Or now I think of it. Had run off to sea or back to the safety of the fishing fleet. > > > >Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On 4 Oct 2018, at 19:56, Paul Hockie <paul@hockie.co.uk> wrote: > >> > >> John, > >> > >> I checked FamilySearch and FMP for Yates male Devon Baptisms baptisms, 1700-1765, to cover the young and the old, within 10 miles of East Budleigh. There were none and it seems to me the father was out of town. It would probably worthwhile to repeat the exercise with burials and trying to match them up. > >> > >> I wonder if the vicar, as well as the surname/middle name, insisted on the use of the fathers forename to shame the guilty. > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Our Mail [mailto:ourmail@chez-williams.com] > >> Sent: 04 October 2018 01:23 > >> To: devon@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: [DEV] Re: John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh > >> > >> Thanks Paul. I looked through the parish chest records in the Devon RO > >> when I was in Exeter some years ago, and didn't find a bastardy bond or > >> other record. There were quite a few Yates/Yeats in the area at the > >> time. As the Yates join my tree via Pamela b 1838, DNA will not be of > >> much use. So, a frustrating brick wall! > >> > >> John > >> > >> > >>> On 4/10/2018 5:09 AM, Paul Hockie wrote: > >>> John, > >>> > >>> Any records of illegitimacy would be in the Parish Chest, vestry minutes etc, or as bastardy bonds. Any remaining will be in the county archive. The OPC may be able to help. > >>> > >>> I had a (quick) search for any signs of Yates in the area at the time. The only one I found was a John Yeats in the 1841 census for East Budleigh, born 1767-1771. I would suggest a more thorough search. To include the neighbouring parishes. If there are no Yates nearby then the possibility is a military man. I noticed there seems to be some John Yates Smith s born in Lancashire. > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> > >>> Paul > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Our Mail [mailto:ourmail@chez-williams.com] > >>> Sent: 03 October 2018 13:13 > >>> To: Devon Rootsweb > >>> Subject: [DEV] John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh > >>> > >>> It's more than 10 years since I last posed a question regarding the > >>> above, my gg grandfather. I am hoping that in the intervening years, > >>> someone has found the elusive information I seek, which will knock down > >>> this particular brick wall. > >>> > >>> The baptism register for East Budleigh records that on 3rd August 1776 > >>> John Yates the son of Elizabeth Smith was baptised. 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I spent some years growing up in Southport on the Lancashire coast.. seem to recall whelk stalls as well as cockles and shrimps .. I thought they were all disgusting! I think you can still get them there if you’re feeling nostalgic! > On 5 Oct 2018, at 10:42, Elizabeth Howard <elizghoward@gmail.com> wrote: > > In my childhood in Salterton , it was mainly crab and lobster of the > coast . I remember the Rogers boys bringing up from the beach , their > catch and taking it to "Old Daisy" Rogers who lived in a very original > tumbledown cottage called Ruggs Roost , apparently Rogues Roost , who > had a perpetual fire burning and a huge to me as a small child, huge > pot of boiling crabs and lobsters . . We got the throwouts and the > fish which weren`t nearly so popular , and my mother once had a gift > of a bucket of whelks !!! never hear of whelks now ….they were > hideous and needed a lot of cooking, and then you hooked them out of > their shells and chewed them furiously !! Salterton had several > grand hotels by this time !!! > >

Just had an afternoon at the Devon Record Office, & thought I have a look for John & his mother Elizabeth. Hope it helps ! Chris Whitehead John Yeats Smith Baptised 25th August 1776 (from microfilm of the original register) I looked at the accounts of overseers of the poor for East Budleigh - If Elizabeth needed financial assistance, or medical help which she couldn't pay for, the parish would have stepped in. The accounts book is held at the Devon record Office reference 1180a/PO2. Started search Jan 1776. N.b. the accounts year ran Easter to Easter; accounting months were 28 days. The March 1777 payment by John Yeats was a large sum of money – more than a year's wages for a labourer. Because John Yeats was an overseer he was a member of the vestry, and, probably, a tenant farmer. Afa him being in the BMD registers, I've noticed that often under the "three lives" tenancy agreements which were common at the time none of the tenants are baptised in the parish where they farm. month ending 30th June 1776 "Charges concerning Mr Yeats 4s" 25th Aug 1776 "To Eliz[abeth] Smith £1 6s 6d" "To Defichasene of Mr Yeats Money 1s 6d [Deficiency?]" 22nd Sep 1776 John Yeats signs the account. He continues to do this intermittently throughout the period searched. "To Eliz[abeth] Smith 8s" 20th Oct 1776 "To Eliz[abeth] Smith 7s" "To Mrs Bending for Eliz[abeth] Smith 8s" 15th Dec 1776 "To Eliz[abeth] Smith for two months pay 16s" 12th Jan 1777 "Elizabeth Smith and Child 8s" 9th Feb 1777 "To Eliz[abeth] Smiths Chaild 8s" 9th Mar 1777 "To Eliz[abeth] Smiths Child 8s" Credit : "Received of Mr Yeats for Eliz[abeth] Smiths Child £20"; this was a payment made during the 1776/77 accounting year. From April 1777 John Yeats Smith has a regular income of 8s per (28 day) month 29th Jun 1777 "Charge for cleaning Eliz[abeth] Smith 5s 3½d" April 1778 "Eliz[abeth] Smith 5s" This year John Yeates was overseer “for Lees at Kersbrook” From May 1778 John Yeats Smith receives 8s monthly reducing to 6s Elizabeth Smith has 4s monthly For the following year(1779/80) John Yeats Smith has 6s per month, Elizabeth has 4s. These payments continue through to 1783 John Yeats Smiths payments stop at the end of this year, while Elizabeth's pay ends with her death in month 8 of 1784. (the entry in the burial register for 21st Nov is marked P for pauper) I looked through 1783 & 1784 but didn’t find any payment for John Yeats Smith to be taken on as a parish apprentice. -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Howard via DEVON Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 10:41 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Cc: Elizabeth Howard Subject: [DEV] DEV] Re: John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh Or now I think of it. Had run off to sea or back to the safety of the fishing fleet. Sent from my iPhone > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Our Mail [mailto:ourmail@chez-williams.com] >> Sent: 03 October 2018 13:13 >> To: Devon Rootsweb >> Subject: [DEV] John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh >> >> It's more than 10 years since I last posed a question regarding the >> above, my gg grandfather. I am hoping that in the intervening years, >> someone has found the elusive information I seek, which will knock down >> this particular brick wall. >> >> The baptism register for East Budleigh records that on 3rd August 1776 >> John Yates the son of Elizabeth Smith was baptised. There was no >> mention of base child, but at that time the incumbent didn't appear to >> be censorious, as I noticed other bpts with no father also had no >> comments I suspect that, as often was the case, the name Yates was >> given to point to the father. In subsequent records (marriage, census >> and death) John gives his surname as Yates which reinforces my belief. >> Can anyone provide more information about his parents (I have not traced >> his mother's antecedents either)? >> >> John in NSW

Hi Chris , what a wonderful time you had in the RO I envy you !!! so much needs doing and I am too far away now to do it . And this is wonderful detailed information which can only be found in the Overseers records , I hope the original enquirer is pleased with this , he is lucky to have it ………..We used to live just up the East Budleigh road from Kersbrook and many a day in the summer as a child I cycled down the hill to Kersbrook , turn right and you would get to the river Otter , turn left and you would get to Sage`s farm . On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:38 PM Chris Whitehead <chris@coalole.eclipse.co.uk> wrote: > > Just had an afternoon at the Devon Record Office, & thought I have a look for John & his mother Elizabeth. > Hope it helps ! > > Chris Whitehead > > > John Yeats Smith > Baptised 25th August 1776 (from microfilm of the original register) > I looked at the accounts of overseers of the poor for East Budleigh - If Elizabeth needed financial assistance, or medical help which she couldn't pay for, the parish would have stepped in. > > The accounts book is held at the Devon record Office reference 1180a/PO2. > > Started search Jan 1776. N.b. the accounts year ran Easter to Easter; accounting months were 28 days. > > The March 1777 payment by John Yeats was a large sum of money – more than a year's wages for a labourer. > Because John Yeats was an overseer he was a member of the vestry, and, probably, a tenant farmer. > Afa him being in the BMD registers, I've noticed that often under the "three lives" tenancy agreements which were common at the time none of the tenants are baptised in the parish where they farm. > > month ending > 30th June 1776 "Charges concerning Mr Yeats 4s" > > 25th Aug 1776 "To Eliz[abeth] Smith £1 6s 6d" > "To Defichasene of Mr Yeats Money 1s 6d [Deficiency?]" > > 22nd Sep 1776 John Yeats signs the account. He continues to do this intermittently throughout the > period searched. > "To Eliz[abeth] Smith 8s" > > 20th Oct 1776 "To Eliz[abeth] Smith 7s" > "To Mrs Bending for Eliz[abeth] Smith 8s" > > 15th Dec 1776 "To Eliz[abeth] Smith for two months pay 16s" > > 12th Jan 1777 "Elizabeth Smith and Child 8s" > > 9th Feb 1777 "To Eliz[abeth] Smiths Chaild 8s" > > 9th Mar 1777 "To Eliz[abeth] Smiths Child 8s" > Credit : "Received of Mr Yeats for Eliz[abeth] Smiths Child £20"; this was a payment made during the 1776/77 accounting year. > > From April 1777 John Yeats Smith has a regular income of 8s per (28 day) month > > 29th Jun 1777 "Charge for cleaning Eliz[abeth] Smith 5s 3½d" > April 1778 "Eliz[abeth] Smith 5s" > This year John Yeates was overseer “for Lees at Kersbrook” > > From May 1778 John Yeats Smith receives 8s monthly reducing to 6s > Elizabeth Smith has 4s monthly > > For the following year(1779/80) John Yeats Smith has 6s per month, Elizabeth has 4s. > > These payments continue through to 1783 John Yeats Smiths payments stop at the end of this year, while Elizabeth's pay ends with her death in month 8 of 1784. (the entry in the burial register for 21st Nov is marked P for pauper) > > I looked through 1783 & 1784 but didn’t find any payment for John Yeats Smith to be taken on as a parish apprentice. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elizabeth Howard via DEVON > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 10:41 PM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Cc: Elizabeth Howard > Subject: [DEV] DEV] Re: John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh > > Or now I think of it. Had run off to sea or back to the safety of the fishing fleet. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Our Mail [mailto:ourmail@chez-williams.com] > >> Sent: 03 October 2018 13:13 > >> To: Devon Rootsweb > >> Subject: [DEV] John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh > >> > >> It's more than 10 years since I last posed a question regarding the > >> above, my gg grandfather. I am hoping that in the intervening years, > >> someone has found the elusive information I seek, which will knock down > >> this particular brick wall. > >> > >> The baptism register for East Budleigh records that on 3rd August 1776 > >> John Yates the son of Elizabeth Smith was baptised. There was no > >> mention of base child, but at that time the incumbent didn't appear to > >> be censorious, as I noticed other bpts with no father also had no > >> comments I suspect that, as often was the case, the name Yates was > >> given to point to the father. In subsequent records (marriage, census > >> and death) John gives his surname as Yates which reinforces my belief. > >> Can anyone provide more information about his parents (I have not traced > >> his mother's antecedents either)? > >> > >> John in NSW > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Yes I was extremely pleased Elizabeth - and  have already responded direct to Chris. John On 25/10/2018 9:18 PM, Elizabeth Howard wrote: > Hi Chris , what a wonderful time you had in the RO I envy you !!! so > much needs doing and I am too far away now to do it . And this is > wonderful detailed information which can only be found in the > Overseers records , I hope the original enquirer is pleased with this > , he is lucky to have it ………..We used to live just up the East > Budleigh road from Kersbrook and many a day in the summer as a child I > cycled down the hill to Kersbrook , turn right and you would get to > the river Otter , turn left and you would get to Sage`s farm . > > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:38 PM Chris Whitehead > <chris@coalole.eclipse.co.uk> wrote: >> Just had an afternoon at the Devon Record Office, & thought I have a look for John & his mother Elizabeth. >> Hope it helps ! >> >> Chris Whitehead >> >> >> John Yeats Smith >> Baptised 25th August 1776 (from microfilm of the original register) >> I looked at the accounts of overseers of the poor for East Budleigh - If Elizabeth needed financial assistance, or medical help which she couldn't pay for, the parish would have stepped in. >> >> The accounts book is held at the Devon record Office reference 1180a/PO2. >> >> Started search Jan 1776. N.b. the accounts year ran Easter to Easter; accounting months were 28 days. >> >> The March 1777 payment by John Yeats was a large sum of money – more than a year's wages for a labourer. >> Because John Yeats was an overseer he was a member of the vestry, and, probably, a tenant farmer. >> Afa him being in the BMD registers, I've noticed that often under the "three lives" tenancy agreements which were common at the time none of the tenants are baptised in the parish where they farm. >> >> month ending >> 30th June 1776 "Charges concerning Mr Yeats 4s" >> >> 25th Aug 1776 "To Eliz[abeth] Smith £1 6s 6d" >> "To Defichasene of Mr Yeats Money 1s 6d [Deficiency?]" >> >> 22nd Sep 1776 John Yeats signs the account. He continues to do this intermittently throughout the >> period searched. >> "To Eliz[abeth] Smith 8s" >> >> 20th Oct 1776 "To Eliz[abeth] Smith 7s" >> "To Mrs Bending for Eliz[abeth] Smith 8s" >> >> 15th Dec 1776 "To Eliz[abeth] Smith for two months pay 16s" >> >> 12th Jan 1777 "Elizabeth Smith and Child 8s" >> >> 9th Feb 1777 "To Eliz[abeth] Smiths Chaild 8s" >> >> 9th Mar 1777 "To Eliz[abeth] Smiths Child 8s" >> Credit : "Received of Mr Yeats for Eliz[abeth] Smiths Child £20"; this was a payment made during the 1776/77 accounting year. >> >> From April 1777 John Yeats Smith has a regular income of 8s per (28 day) month >> >> 29th Jun 1777 "Charge for cleaning Eliz[abeth] Smith 5s 3½d" >> April 1778 "Eliz[abeth] Smith 5s" >> This year John Yeates was overseer “for Lees at Kersbrook” >> >> From May 1778 John Yeats Smith receives 8s monthly reducing to 6s >> Elizabeth Smith has 4s monthly >> >> For the following year(1779/80) John Yeats Smith has 6s per month, Elizabeth has 4s. >> >> These payments continue through to 1783 John Yeats Smiths payments stop at the end of this year, while Elizabeth's pay ends with her death in month 8 of 1784. (the entry in the burial register for 21st Nov is marked P for pauper) >> >> I looked through 1783 & 1784 but didn’t find any payment for John Yeats Smith to be taken on as a parish apprentice. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elizabeth Howard via DEVON >> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 10:41 PM >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Cc: Elizabeth Howard >> Subject: [DEV] DEV] Re: John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh >> >> Or now I think of it. Had run off to sea or back to the safety of the fishing fleet. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Our Mail [mailto:ourmail@chez-williams.com] >>>> Sent: 03 October 2018 13:13 >>>> To: Devon Rootsweb >>>> Subject: [DEV] John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh >>>> >>>> It's more than 10 years since I last posed a question regarding the >>>> above, my gg grandfather. I am hoping that in the intervening years, >>>> someone has found the elusive information I seek, which will knock down >>>> this particular brick wall. >>>> >>>> The baptism register for East Budleigh records that on 3rd August 1776 >>>> John Yates the son of Elizabeth Smith was baptised. There was no >>>> mention of base child, but at that time the incumbent didn't appear to >>>> be censorious, as I noticed other bpts with no father also had no >>>> comments I suspect that, as often was the case, the name Yates was >>>> given to point to the father. In subsequent records (marriage, census >>>> and death) John gives his surname as Yates which reinforces my belief. >>>> Can anyone provide more information about his parents (I have not traced >>>> his mother's antecedents either)? >>>> >>>> John in NSW >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thought of more areas to look - He's not in the earlier overseers accounts (at least not 1748 to 1768) There are the minutes of a meeting held 19th Sep 1779, which was regarding a lawsuit by a parishioner against a Christopher Smith. Meeting agrees to indemnify someone involved. John Yeates is one of a number of signatories at the meeting. In the accounts book I looked at earlier, the only references I found were - 1784 - "Memorandum received of John Yeates 4s 6d" and in the same year he was one of those who signed of the accounts at the end of the financial year. I looked at the churchwardens accounts - he never served as churchwarden, and only "signed off" the accounts in 1775 So - mostly negative, but if you come over any time, at least you know where you don't need to look! Chris -----Original Message----- From: Our Mail Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 12:42 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Re: DEV] Re: John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh Yes I was extremely pleased Elizabeth - and have already responded direct to Chris. John

Thank you so much Chris for continuing to search . On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 11:52 AM Chris Whitehead <chris@coalole.eclipse.co.uk> wrote: > > Thought of more areas to look - > > He's not in the earlier overseers accounts (at least not 1748 to 1768) > > There are the minutes of a meeting held 19th Sep 1779, which was regarding a > lawsuit by a parishioner against a Christopher Smith. Meeting agrees to > indemnify someone involved. > John Yeates is one of a number of signatories at the meeting. > > In the accounts book I looked at earlier, the only references I found were - > 1784 - "Memorandum received of John Yeates 4s 6d" > and in the same year he was one of those who signed of the accounts at the > end of the financial year. > > I looked at the churchwardens accounts - he never served as churchwarden, > and only "signed off" the accounts in 1775 > > So - mostly negative, but if you come over any time, at least you know where > you don't need to look! > > Chris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Our Mail > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 12:42 PM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Re: DEV] Re: John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh > > Yes I was extremely pleased Elizabeth - and have already responded > direct to Chris. > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you again Chris.  I'll keep these details pending another visit to the UK, although I'm not sure when that might be.  In the meantime I'll see if any 'cousins' I've found in the UK researching the Yates/Yeats line are able to visit Exeter and follow up your leads.   As far as I know no one has yet managed to progress beyond John Y(1776). John On 8/11/2018 10:51 PM, Chris Whitehead wrote: > Thought of more areas to look - > > He's not in the earlier overseers accounts (at least not 1748 to 1768) > > There are the minutes of a meeting held 19th Sep 1779, which was > regarding a lawsuit by a parishioner against a Christopher Smith. > Meeting agrees to indemnify someone involved. > John Yeates is one of a number of signatories at the meeting. > > In the accounts book I looked at earlier, the only references I found > were - > 1784 - "Memorandum received of John Yeates 4s 6d" > and in the same year he was one of those who signed of the accounts at > the end of the financial year. > > I looked at the churchwardens accounts - he never served as > churchwarden, and only "signed off" the accounts in 1775 > > So - mostly negative, but if you come over any time, at least you know > where you don't need to look! > > Chris > > > -----Original Message----- From: Our Mail > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 12:42 PM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Re: DEV] Re: John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh > > Yes I was extremely pleased Elizabeth - and  have already responded > direct to Chris. > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community >

Don't discount DNA matching, I have DNA matched with people whose common ancestor with mine is much further back than 1838, I tree matched with them years ago and it is reassuring when they appear among DNA matches confirming I am on the right track. Don't forget they confirmed the identity of Richard 111's remains by DNA matches with descendants of his sister. I have the same situation as you in my tree, an illegitimate child born 1835 with a surname as a middle name. I have had quite a few DNA matches with the descendants of one particular couple with this surname so I am fairly sure that either the father or one of his sons was my ancestor's father. With regards to the Yates family and East Budleigh, there are several documents on National Archives Discovery catalogue. There is an 1840 Settlement Examination for Robert Yeates born in East Budleigh. A will dated 23 Aug 1811 for Frances Elizabeth Yeates, wife of East Budleigh. A Settlement Examination for William Anning, mariner, says "Now in East Budleigh, he was born there where his parents were settled, he was apprenticed to Matthew Lee Yates by his father and served on board ship for 3 years.." Matthew Lee Yates was baptised 1777 at Topsham, parents Robert and Jenny Yates. He married Frances Elizabeth Abbott at East Budleigh in 1799 (presumably the Frances of the 1811 will). In 1841 he is at Woodbury. There is a marriage for Robert Yates and Jenny Lee at Woodbury 12 Dec 1777. They also baptised a son Robert at Gulliford Presbyterian, Woodbury 8th Dec 1778 (possibly the Robert of the 1840 Settlement Examination?) If/how these Yates relate to your ancestor is a mystery but they were obviously in the area. Joy ----Original message---- From : ourmail@chez-williams.com Date : 04/10/2018 - 01:23 (GMTST) To : devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] Re: John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh Thanks Paul.   I looked through the parish chest records in the Devon RO when I was in Exeter some years ago, and didn't find a bastardy bond or other record.  There were quite a few Yates/Yeats in the area at the time.  As the Yates join my tree via Pamela b 1838, DNA will not be of much use.  So, a frustrating brick wall! John

I second Paul’s suggestions. I recently found some unpublished material in the Lancashire Archives relating to Settlement Orders/Poor Law decisions/Bastardy orders, all of which might shed light on a mystery that I have up there. Once I realised that such material existed a search of the online Archive catalogue with the surname and parish produced numerous references . I haven’t searched the Devon Record Office catalogue very often, so not sure how good it is, or if you can perform such a search, but worth a try. I do know there is a lot of material in the DRO specific to a parish which is not online. If you did find something promising, then you might decide it would be worth finding a local researcher to check it for you. Jane > On 3 Oct 2018, at 20:09, Paul Hockie <paul@hockie.co.uk> wrote: > > John, > > Any records of illegitimacy would be in the Parish Chest, vestry minutes etc, or as bastardy bonds. Any remaining will be in the county archive. The OPC may be able to help. > > I had a (quick) search for any signs of Yates in the area at the time. The only one I found was a John Yeats in the 1841 census for East Budleigh, born 1767-1771. I would suggest a more thorough search. To include the neighbouring parishes. If there are no Yates nearby then the possibility is a military man. I noticed there seems to be some John Yates Smith s born in Lancashire. > > Cheers > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: Our Mail [mailto:ourmail@chez-williams.com] > Sent: 03 October 2018 13:13 > To: Devon Rootsweb > Subject: [DEV] John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh > > It's more than 10 years since I last posed a question regarding the > above, my gg grandfather. I am hoping that in the intervening years, > someone has found the elusive information I seek, which will knock down > this particular brick wall. > > The baptism register for East Budleigh records that on 3rd August 1776 > John Yates the son of Elizabeth Smith was baptised. There was no > mention of base child, but at that time the incumbent didn't appear to > be censorious, as I noticed other bpts with no father also had no > comments I suspect that, as often was the case, the name Yates was > given to point to the father. 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 Thank you, Paul, Jane, Elizabeth, Roz and Adrian for your replies and suggestions. I am fairly certain that John's father was not from East Budleigh and could well have been a fisherman/seaman or indeed any other occupation and from any other parish.  It looks as though John Yates (as he became) was the start of the East Budleigh line. Having said that I did find a Frances Eliza Yeates, probably born circa 1780 (died March 1811), who had at least 2 children baptised in the parish (fathered by Matthew Lee) in 1801 & 1807 (Elizabeth as I believe you transcribed the parish, you may have found more).  Yes I had thought that the John Yeates in Salterton 1780 was a likely candidate for my John's father - but unfortunately I have found no proof.  As he was from the locale I'm sure there would have been a bond.  Perhaps it was lost? My family moved to Heavitree in the 1800's and I found information about them in the parish chest. Although my search for a bastardy bond was for one in the name of Yates, the likely father, I also looked for Smith.  In the absence of such a bond I had hoped to find Elizabeth Smith's name in other parish records, guessing she might need parish relief. Nothing found.  Also, it doesn't appear that John was indentured in any trade/occupation. in summary - a brick wall! John P.S. If only, as for another illegitimate child in my tree, the full father's name had been inserted as middle names!