I have a family in Exmouth that has two of the wife's sisters and their children living with them. The widowed sister is called 'sister' on the census - and the other sister with her husband at sea is called 'lodger'. I presumed that the lodger paid rent, while the other widowed sister was being supported as part of the householder's family. Would that be right? Diana Smith Australia > On 4 Sep 2017, at 7:32 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Send DEVON mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/devon > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of DEVON digest..." > > > Please ensure that you change the subject line to the message subject when replying, and PLEASE DELETE ALL THE OTHER DIGEST MESSAGES EXCEPT THE ONE YOU ARE REPLYING TO. Please do not leave it as a DIGEST heading. > Thank you > > Today's Topics: > > 1. 1851 CENSUS: LODGER VS PARENT (Pamela Willcocks) > 2. Re: 1851 CENSUS: LODGER VS PARENT (Mary.armitage) > 3. Re: 1851 CENSUS: LODGER VS PARENT for Pamela (Sher Leetooze) > 4. Re: 1851 CENSUS: LODGER VS PARENT for Pamela (Pamela Willcocks) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 16:22:50 -0300 > From: Pamela Willcocks <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [DEV] 1851 CENSUS: LODGER VS PARENT > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Re the census: a parent living with family is usually shown as such. That > is, a mother or mother-in-law of the head of household. Or father of course. > I see just as many documented as "lodger". Some have "of independent means" > or "annuitant" in the occupation column. > > The one mum I've found simply states lodger and widow. (Elizabeth PAWLEY of > Ugborough). That's a bit cold. What was the purpose of not being > straightforward with mother or father? > > > > cheers, > > pamela > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 20:54:45 +0100 > From: "Mary.armitage" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DEV] 1851 CENSUS: LODGER VS PARENT > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I guess it indicates that, as the older resident, they were not the > householder? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pamela Willcocks > Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:22 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DEV] 1851 CENSUS: LODGER VS PARENT > > > > Re the census: a parent living with family is usually shown as such. That > is, a mother or mother-in-law of the head of household. Or father of course. > I see just as many documented as "lodger". Some have "of independent means" > or "annuitant" in the occupation column. > > The one mum I've found simply states lodger and widow. (Elizabeth PAWLEY of > Ugborough). That's a bit cold. What was the purpose of not being > straightforward with mother or father? > > > > cheers, > > pamela > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 17:19:36 -0500 > From: Sher Leetooze <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DEV] 1851 CENSUS: LODGER VS PARENT for Pamela > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > > Pamela: > > It is usually because the male, who is usually the lodger, and is > usually the father of the children, is not the spouse of the head of > household.? Everyone knew, at that time, that he was "just the lodger", > and everyone knew at that time, that he likely fathered her kids, but it > was much easier to call him a lodger than a common-law husband for fear > he would be taxed with a bastardy bond. > > Sher > > >> On 9/3/2017 2:54 PM, Mary.armitage wrote: >> I guess it indicates that, as the older resident, they were not the >> householder? >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Pamela Willcocks >> Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:22 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [DEV] 1851 CENSUS: LODGER VS PARENT >> >> >> >> Re the census: a parent living with family is usually shown as such.? >> That >> is, a mother or mother-in-law of the head of household. Or father of >> course. >> I see just as many documented as "lodger".? Some have "of independent >> means" >> or "annuitant" in the occupation column. >> >> The one mum I've found simply states lodger and widow. (Elizabeth >> PAWLEY of >> Ugborough). That's a? bit cold.? What was the purpose of not being >> straightforward with mother or father? >> >> >> >> cheers, >> >> pamela >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 18:32:37 -0300 > From: Pamela Willcocks <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DEV] 1851 CENSUS: LODGER VS PARENT for Pamela > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hey Sher - and thanks for your reply too Mary. > > Thing is, the lodger in Q, as I named her, is Elizabeth Pawley who is def the mum of Joseph Pawley, head of household. So why not say that instead of the census person writing "Lodger"? > Makes no sense to me. Was it that a widowed mother might become a burden on the parish? Perhaps there's no answer.,,but this was not an uncommon practice! > > pamela > > -----Original Message----- > From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sher Leetooze > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 7:20 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DEV] 1851 CENSUS: LODGER VS PARENT for Pamela > > Pamela: > > It is usually because the male, who is usually the lodger, and is usually the father of the children, is not the spouse of the head of household. Everyone knew, at that time (snip)... it was much easier to call him a lodger than a common-law husband for fear he would be taxed with a bastardy bond. > > Sher > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the DEVON list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the DEVON mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of DEVON Digest, Vol 12, Issue 376 > **************************************
Somewhere on the web are the Enumerators Instructions for every census. These define how the enumerator was supposed to complete the form as each entry had to be classified to fit into the statistical tables. These instructions were generally followed but if the enumerator was not certain they should put down something from the list. Occasionally they made something up but as it took 10 years to evaluate the census nobody ever found out, The head of the household was the one who paid the rent, usually the husband and the "breadwinner". The book "Making Sense of the Census" is a good place to start. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Diana Smith Sent: 03 September 2017 23:38 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] 1851 CENSUS: LODGER VS PARENT I have a family in Exmouth that has two of the wife's sisters and their children living with them. The widowed sister is called 'sister' on the census - and the other sister with her husband at sea is called 'lodger'. I presumed that the lodger paid rent, while the other widowed sister was being supported as part of the householder's family. Would that be right? Diana Smith Australia > On 4 Sep 2017, at 7:32 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Send DEVON mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/devon > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of DEVON digest..." > > > Please ensure that you change the subject line to the message subject when replying, and PLEASE DELETE ALL THE OTHER DIGEST MESSAGES EXCEPT THE ONE YOU ARE REPLYING TO. Please do not leave it as a DIGEST heading. > Thank you > > Today's Topics: > > 1. 1851 CENSUS: LODGER VS PARENT (Pamela Willcocks) > 2. Re: 1851 CENSUS: LODGER VS PARENT (Mary.armitage) > 3. Re: 1851 CENSUS: LODGER VS PARENT for Pamela (Sher Leetooze) > 4. Re: 1851 CENSUS: LODGER VS PARENT for Pamela (Pamela Willcocks) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 16:22:50 -0300 > From: Pamela Willcocks <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [DEV] 1851 CENSUS: LODGER VS PARENT > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Re the census: a parent living with family is usually shown as such. That > is, a mother or mother-in-law of the head of household. Or father of course. > I see just as many documented as "lodger". Some have "of independent means" > or "annuitant" in the occupation column. > > The one mum I've found simply states lodger and widow. (Elizabeth PAWLEY of > Ugborough). That's a bit cold. What was the purpose of not being > straightforward with mother or father? > > > > cheers, > > pamela > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 20:54:45 +0100 > From: "Mary.armitage" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DEV] 1851 CENSUS: LODGER VS PARENT > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I guess it indicates that, as the older resident, they were not the > householder? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pamela Willcocks > Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:22 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DEV] 1851 CENSUS: LODGER VS PARENT > > > > Re the census: a parent living with family is usually shown as such. That > is, a mother or mother-in-law of the head of household. Or father of course. > I see just as many documented as "lodger". Some have "of independent means" > or "annuitant" in the occupation column. > > The one mum I've found simply states lodger and widow. (Elizabeth PAWLEY of > Ugborough). That's a bit cold. What was the purpose of not being > straightforward with mother or father? > > > > cheers, > > pamela > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 17:19:36 -0500 > From: Sher Leetooze <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DEV] 1851 CENSUS: LODGER VS PARENT for Pamela > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > > Pamela: > > It is usually because the male, who is usually the lodger, and is > usually the father of the children, is not the spouse of the head of > household.? Everyone knew, at that time, that he was "just the lodger", > and everyone knew at that time, that he likely fathered her kids, but it > was much easier to call him a lodger than a common-law husband for fear > he would be taxed with a bastardy bond. > > Sher > > >> On 9/3/2017 2:54 PM, Mary.armitage wrote: >> I guess it indicates that, as the older resident, they were not the >> householder? >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Pamela Willcocks >> Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 8:22 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [DEV] 1851 CENSUS: LODGER VS PARENT >> >> >> >> Re the census: a parent living with family is usually shown as such.? >> That >> is, a mother or mother-in-law of the head of household. Or father of >> course. >> I see just as many documented as "lodger".? Some have "of independent >> means" >> or "annuitant" in the occupation column. >> >> The one mum I've found simply states lodger and widow. (Elizabeth >> PAWLEY of >> Ugborough). That's a? bit cold.? What was the purpose of not being >> straightforward with mother or father? >> >> >> >> cheers, >> >> pamela >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 18:32:37 -0300 > From: Pamela Willcocks <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DEV] 1851 CENSUS: LODGER VS PARENT for Pamela > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hey Sher - and thanks for your reply too Mary. > > Thing is, the lodger in Q, as I named her, is Elizabeth Pawley who is def the mum of Joseph Pawley, head of household. So why not say that instead of the census person writing "Lodger"? > Makes no sense to me. Was it that a widowed mother might become a burden on the parish? Perhaps there's no answer.,,but this was not an uncommon practice! > > pamela > > -----Original Message----- > From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sher Leetooze > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 7:20 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DEV] 1851 CENSUS: LODGER VS PARENT for Pamela > > Pamela: > > It is usually because the male, who is usually the lodger, and is usually the father of the children, is not the spouse of the head of household. Everyone knew, at that time (snip)... it was much easier to call him a lodger than a common-law husband for fear he would be taxed with a bastardy bond. > > Sher > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the DEVON list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the DEVON mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of DEVON Digest, Vol 12, Issue 376 > ************************************** ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message