The GRO search for births, now including the maiden name of the mother, is quite fascinating. I have a question regarding my latest discovery. I have a family of YELLANDs living in Stoke Damerel. The mother's maiden name was DOVE. I had four children for this couple between 1848 and 1854. One was a Fanny YELLAND, 1850 D. Quarter Stoke Damerel 09 pg 439; mother DOVE. I was able to find all four, them all, with a mother DOVE. I then searched for any children born in that time frame, surname YELLAND, mother's maiden name, DOVE. To my surprise another child came up, a Jane YELLAND with the identical criteria as Fanny, mother DOVE, except a 2 page difference: pg 437. Do I assume they were twins and the second entry just got recorded 2 pages later ??? Why 2 pages ? I checked the original images on FreeBMD and the pages seem to have been transcribed correctly, one 439, and one 437. As this Jane never appeared in any censuses in the home, and I couldn't find a death registration for her, it is rather strange. The liklihood of another YELLAND / DOVE marriage is quite unlikely I would think. Any thoughts most appreciated. Anne

Anne Could the parents have decided to change the name of the baby? Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Anne Brooks" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 7:22 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] YELLAND Stoke Damerel > The GRO search for births, now including the maiden name of the mother, is > quite fascinating. I have a question regarding my latest discovery. > > I have a family of YELLANDs living in Stoke Damerel. The mother's maiden > name was DOVE. I had four children for this couple between 1848 and 1854. > One was a Fanny YELLAND, 1850 D. Quarter Stoke Damerel 09 pg 439; mother > DOVE. I was able to find all four, them all, with a mother DOVE. > > I then searched for any children born in that time frame, surname YELLAND, > mother's maiden name, DOVE. To my surprise another child came up, a Jane > YELLAND with the identical criteria as Fanny, mother DOVE, except a 2 page > difference: pg 437. > > Do I assume they were twins and the second entry just got recorded 2 pages > later ??? Why 2 pages ? I checked the original images on FreeBMD and the > pages seem to have been transcribed correctly, one 439, and one 437. As > this Jane never appeared in any censuses in the home, and I couldn't find > a death registration for her, it is rather strange. The liklihood of > another YELLAND / DOVE marriage is quite unlikely I would think. > > Any thoughts most appreciated. > Anne > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Ann -- Supposing that Fanny and Jane were indeed twins but Jane died at birth such that Fanny's live birth was registered but not Jane's, but then the parents wanted a sentimental record of their dead infant and went back and registered Jane as a live birth which might explain the page difference and why you find no subsequent registration of her death. I'm not sure about registration procedures around 1850 but you might search Genbrit or RootsChat for stillborn/stillbirth discussions. Alternatively, it is too much to expect that the new GRO indexes are both 100% complete and 100% accurate -- as demonstrated within your own family. AS you say, the GRO indexes find five YELLAND children with mother DOVE: Mary 1848, Fanny & Jane both 1848, of whom only Mary and Fanny, but not Jane, are living with their parents in 1851 census of Stoke Damerel, such that Jane might have died before the census. John 1852 & Harriet 1854, both of whom died in the same quarter Apr--Jun 1858, as found on the usual GRO-based sources (FS, FMP, Anc), but the new GRO indexes find only the death registration of John: YELLAND, JOHN 5 years GRO Reference: 1858 J Quarter in STOKE DAMEREL Volume 05B Page 208 but do not find Harriet even though she is listed next to John on the summary images at all the other sites. Nor do they find her if we suppose her to be mis-coded as male or mis-dated between 1843 and 1867. So if GRO cannot find Harriet who they know to be dead, then how can you be sure what they have done with Jane? You could report the omission af Harriet and ask about Jane, and/or like Brad says, acquire both certificates. Regards -- Martin Beavis -----Original Message----- From: Anne Brooks Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 9:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] YELLAND Stoke Damerel The GRO search for births, now including the maiden name of the mother, is quite fascinating. I have a question regarding my latest discovery. I have a family of YELLANDs living in Stoke Damerel. The mother's maiden name was DOVE. I had four children for this couple between 1848 and 1854. One was a Fanny YELLAND, 1850 D. Quarter Stoke Damerel 09 pg 439; mother DOVE. I was able to find all four, them all, with a mother DOVE. I then searched for any children born in that time frame, surname YELLAND, mother's maiden name, DOVE. To my surprise another child came up, a Jane YELLAND with the identical criteria as Fanny, mother DOVE, except a 2 page difference: pg 437. Do I assume they were twins and the second entry just got recorded 2 pages later ??? Why 2 pages ? I checked the original images on FreeBMD and the pages seem to have been transcribed correctly, one 439, and one 437. As this Jane never appeared in any censuses in the home, and I couldn't find a death registration for her, it is rather strange. The liklihood of another YELLAND / DOVE marriage is quite unlikely I would think. Any thoughts most appreciated. Anne ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message